was Wiggle Wagon now International Traveler

richard waters

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> I had problems with an International Traveler
> (stretched Scout) on this same section of road and a Range Rover. The
> problems were not as severe but were still dangerous.

Henry,
You "had problems with an International Traveler?" I almost forgot about the one I
had. I tend to try to forget bad things. I bought a 1978 International Traveler
brand new. It was remarkable for being the first vehicle that I ever bought that
cost more then $10,000 and it was also the sorriest piece of automotive %$## that I
ever had.

Before it was 3 years old and with less then 40,000 miles the entire rear body
section by the tail lights rusted out on both sides. The holes were so big that
one of the tail lights actually fell out while I was driving. It just hung there
by its wires. Later IH tried to fix the negative publicity by having a 100,000
mile rust out warranty but that was too late for me. I also had to replace the
transmission shift cable at least twice, the electronic ignition module and I had
to replace all the U joints in the front and rear drive shafts. The exhaust system
also had to be replaced and all this before 40,000 miles and 3 years. There other
problems, but it would take to long to list them.

Compared to that thing, the GMC is very very reliable and never needs work like the
Traveler did. I've never had a vehicle as lame as the Traveler in my life. How
was yours? I bet IH lost their a## on those, I know I did. I guess the short
Scout wasn't as bad.

In contrast I have a 1996 Ford Explorer that now has 120,000 miles (closing in fast
on the GMC's 140,000) and I have basically done nothing to it except change the
oil, tires and brakes. I did replace the spark plugs last week. What a difference
and no rust!
Richard Waters
1976 Palm Beach
1996 Ford Explorer
1994 Jeep Cherokee
1993 Mercury Villager
1979 Cessna TR182
Troy, MI
 
>.Henry,
>You "had problems with an International Traveler?" I almost forgot about
>the one I
>had. I tend to try to forget bad things. I bought a 1978 International
>Traveler
>brand new. It was remarkable for being the first vehicle that I ever
>bought that
>cost more then $10,000 and it was also the sorriest piece of automotive
>%$## that I
>ever had.

Bought our 1978 Traveler in 1981. Ran great for four five years and about
60k miles. We lived in California when we bought it, and moved to Texas a
few years later. Paid about $4,500

>Before it was 3 years old and with less then 40,000 miles the entire rear
>body
>section by the tail lights rusted out on both sides. The holes were so
>big that
>one of the tail lights actually fell out while I was driving. It just
>hung there
>by its wires.

Had this happen in Texas, right after the qjet caught fire while we were
driving back form San Antonio to Houston. Had the qjet replaced with a
difficult to find qjet and holes repaired. Moved to Mine. Rust heaven.

>to replace all the U joints in the front and rear drive shafts. The
>exhaust system
>also had to be replaced and all this before 40,000 miles and 3
>years. There other
>problems, but it would take to long to list them.

One exhaust system in the 16 years we owned it. 3 carbs, rusted to pieces.
Bad air pump that you couldn't find replacement parts for. Hit a deer in
Ohio. Toasted the passenger side fender - pulled it out at a truck stop
using a wrecker, taped the headlight back in with duct tape and continued on.

>Compared to that thing, the GMC is very very reliable and never needs work
>like the
>Traveler did. I've never had a vehicle as lame as the Traveler in my
>life. How
>was yours?

Ran great when it ran. Sucked when it ran poorly. Sucked my wallet when it
ran poorly due to non-available parts.

Henry
BTW, the GMC is MUCH easier to find parts for. And the net helps incredibly.
 
Richard,
Forgive my bad memory, but isn't a Cessna 182 a tail dragger? I learned to
fly in a Super Cub and a T-6 and there were two categories of tail dragger
pilots, those that had ground looped and those that hadn't yet. Be careful.
Bob McLaughlin

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From: owner-gmcmotorhome
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Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 10:50 PM
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Subject: Re: GMC: was Wiggle Wagon now International Traveler

Richard Waters
1976 Palm Beach
1996 Ford Explorer
1994 Jeep Cherokee
1993 Mercury Villager
1979 Cessna TR182
Troy, MI
 
> The 140's, 170's, 180's, and 195 are tail draggers. I think there might have
> been a 120 as well, with the diff being that it was flapless, IIRC.

Yep there was a 120 and it was flapless and I think it had a rag wing.

> Larry Nelson (ex T Craft BC12D, Tripacer, Piper 140, Commanche 180, Commanche
> 260, Bonanza's G and S, Baron D model, and Partenavia - that will getcha - oh
> and forgot the old Navion)

Nice groups of air planes to have owned. I had a Cessna 150, Cessna 172, Piper
Cherokee 180 and now the Skylane. I couldn't ever come close to affording a
Commanche, Bonanza or a Baron. I always have liked Navions, but always wondered
what it was like to get in or out of them when it was raining hard. I don't know
anything about a Partenavia. IIRC the T Craft was a handful to fly as compared
to a Champ or Cub.
Richard
 
> The 140's, 170's, 180's, and 195 are tail draggers. I think there might have
> been a 120 as well, with the diff being that it was flapless, IIRC.

Yep there was a 120 and it was flapless and I think it had a rag wing.

> Larry Nelson (ex T Craft BC12D, Tripacer, Piper 140, Commanche 180, Commanche
> 260, Bonanza's G and S, Baron D model, and Partenavia - that will getcha - oh
> and forgot the old Navion)

Nice groups of air planes to have owned. I had a Cessna 150, Cessna 172, Piper
Cherokee 180 and now the Skylane. I couldn't ever come close to affording a
Commanche, Bonanza or a Baron. I always have liked Navions, but always wondered
what it was like to get in or out of them when it was raining hard. I don't know
anything about a Partenavia. IIRC the T Craft was a handful to fly as compared
to a Champ or Cub.
Richard
 
I learned to fly in a 172 and owned a 182. Both had tricycle gear. I'm not
sure I would ever fly a tail dragger although the Piper Cub looked like fun.
Bob
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Subject: Re: GMC: was Wiggle Wagon now International Traveler

> In a message dated 7/24/00 1:20:34 AM Central Daylight Time,

>
> been a 120 as well, with the diff being that it was flapless, IIRC.
>
> Larry Nelson (ex T Craft BC12D, Tripacer, Piper 140, Commanche 180,
Commanche
> 260, Bonanza's G and S, Baron D model, and Partenavia - that will getcha -
oh
> and forgot the old Navion)
> Springfield, MO
> GMC 1975 Palm Beach
> WB0JOT
 
Scott,
Clara.net won't open that page for me.
Bob McL

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From: owner-gmcmotorhome
[mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Adohen
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:05 AM
To: gmcmotorhome
Subject: Re: GMC: was Wiggle Wagon now International Traveler

In a message dated 7/24/2000 2:20:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> Forgive my bad memory, but isn't a Cessna 182 a tail dragger?

Hi Bob!
http://www.acf.clara.net/scale/scale-pics-1/high-wing/cessna-182/cessna-182.
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Maybe these are what Richard is talking about.

Scott