Trip report

johnny

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To Sequoyah Stat Park East of Wagner on the lake. 440 miles one way. Coach ran like a top, still stops more softly than I'd like, drank gas at a rate
of 6 MPG comfortably. Casualties: Water heather, furnace, microwave.

The water heater was running first night out and second night out. Heard it boiling, I suspect the overtemp tripped. It is cleverly positioned such
that you cannot touch it, although you can frustratingly close. A challenge.

The furnace clicks and spins up, promptly shuts down. Sail switch? I removed one covered vent and now it comes on and stays on for a much longer
time. Never heard the ignitor or the gas valve although they might be silent. Out it comes for correction.

Microwave worked for three days. Dometic Gee-Whiz looks to be built ON and COOK and OFF buttons plus a mechanical timer. Clicks on, power supply
hums when you get COOK pressed anf lit, food doesn't get hot. Out it comes, I may replace it. I want into that cabinet anyway, to place a vent
hood over the stove.

Water system works just fine.

Two new Coopers on the front and it rides/drives fine.

Oh yeah, Sequoyah State Park... highly recommended. Place was full, and there's LOTs of place. Interestingly, I was on the Seminole campground, which
after inspections is the newest upgraded. Nice staggered lots, everything works. You're on the lake. Also stayed in West Memphis at the Tom Sawyer
RV Park on the river. Right on the river - sit and watch the towboats go by. Laundry's free, discount for several including FMCA. WiFi picks s---.
They also have tree houses, they look really nice from the outside. Owners have English as a second language, assisted by a Good Ol' Boy and his
wife. They might be kin to owners past. At any rate amenities are Memphis close by and a clean laundry - bath house and really nice folks to deal
with.

Interesting observation - Both places sold out. At the Stat Park, on the Seminole loop, 3 motorhomes, the rest fifth wheel or bumper pulls - no Class
B/C at all. Driving through all the other campsites, same same. Conversely, Tom Sawyer in W Memphis, one or two Class Cs about the third fifth wheel
and bumper pull, large majority Class As, some in the million dollar range.

--johnny

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'76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.

"Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
 
And one of the TVs quit. It never was quite right, noted by PO. Pregnant Capacitor syndrome, a six dollar assortments headed here from Prime.

--johnny
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'76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.

"Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
 
This year was not the best for the GMC. Immediately after attending the work rally in Bainesbridge Indiana this past May, one of the head gaskets
failed, fortunately just minuets from my house. So I removed both cylinder heads and had them rebuilt (per Dick Paterson's specifications) at a local
machine shop. Reinstalled the heads then during the initial test drive I could hear what sounded like the transmission drive chain rubbing on the
outer cover! So as I had other priorities to deal with the GMC sat all summer long until first week in October when I finally got to the transmission.
During the time it was parked I did manage to replace the last two pieces in the steering system, the relay lever and Idler Arm, all from Dave Lenzi.
Also during this time I installed a FiTech EFI and their fuel sump (aka "Command Center").

So needless to say last weekends camping trip, the first trip of the year, I was very excited to see how the GMC was going to run and drive. Our trip
was only 230 miles round trip but went off without a hitch. The Manny Tranny worked flawlessly, the steering is now unbelievably good. Regarding the
steering I didn't think it could get much better after replacing the steering box and upper control arms with ones from Dave Lenzi a few years ago.
Many of you know that Dave's upper control arms allow for more caster and that combined with his steering box made for a great drive. So after
replacing the relay lever and idler arm I was ecstatic to find the steering is even better. There is absolutely zero play in the system and she tracks
straight as an arrow, and even during a heavy crosswinds the steering was very manageable and could drive with just two fingers.

So what about the FiTech EFI? One word....WOW! First thing I noticed during the test drive was the instantaneous throttle response. Prior to the EFI,
when taking off from a stop it always seemed to labor to get going, now push down on the gas and she takes off immediately and even seems to have more
power but I really think it is the excellent throttle response that gives that perception. The carb I removed was rebuilt 8 years ago by Jim Bounds
and a very good rebuild for sure but I think after 8 years soaking in ethanol it was in need of another rebuild. In fact when I removed the carb
there was a puddle of fuel in the intake so it had been leaking. Now with the FiTech ethanol is no longer a problem as it can handle E85.

Although we didn't get to enjoy our GMC this summer it did end on a good note. This weekend, sadly I will pack her away for winter hibernation.

Jon
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Jon Payne
76 Palm Beach
Westfield,IN
 
Jon,

Good news. Looks like you are set up nicely for future trips!

Did you install the 400 or 600 Fitech unit?
And, if the 600, did you opt for spark control?

Thanks
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Joe Ricke - KE0CPM
Arden Hills, MN
'77 Transmode
 
Hi Joe,

I installed the 600HP with timing control. Since our HEI unit is not compatible with the timing control feature (you need a two-wire distrib)and the
fact I have a Dick Paterson distributor that works great I'm not considering using this feature at this time.

Jon
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Jon Payne
76 Palm Beach
Westfield,IN
 
Joe,
Pretty coincidental, I'm struggling with the same issue.
I'm getting a Patterson engine and wondering about EFI. The only one now I would be interested in would be the Fitech. But I would like to have more
info. I'm still on the bubble because the carb has always gotten me home.
Anything to convert me to EFI would be appreciated, and thanks, Scott.
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Scott Nutter
1978 455 Royale Center Kitchen, Quad bags.
Houston, Texas
 
Hi Scott,

For sure you can't go wrong with a well tuned Q-Jet, mine did well for many years. For me I didn't want to deal with the carb anymore and when the
FiTech came out at what I thought was a very good price I couldn't resist. Before I took the plunge I did read a bunch of reviews, 95% was very
positive, some reviews were negative but that mostly was towards the fuel command center issues which by the time I got mine those issues were
supposedly resolved. I did get my set up from Jason at the thegmcrv.com.

Anyway, so far no regrets!

JMHO!

Jon
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Westfield,IN
 
What is FiTech...





J. Silva



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From: Jon Payne

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Hi Scott,



For sure you can't go wrong with a well tuned Q-Jet, mine did well for many
years. For me I didn't want to deal with the carb anymore and when the

FiTech came out at what I thought was a very good price I couldn't resist.
Before I took the plunge I did read a bunch of reviews, 95% was very

Positive, some reviews were negative but that mostly was towards the fuel
command center issues which by the time I got mine those issues were

Supposedly resolved. I did get my set up from Jason at the thegmcrv.com.



Anyway, so far no regrets!





JMHO!



Jon

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A fairly recently Fuel Injection system to replace carburetors in GMC engines.

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J. Silva

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Hi Scott,

For sure you can't go wrong with a well tuned Q-Jet, mine did well for many
years. For me I didn't want to deal with the carb anymore and when the

FiTech came out at what I thought was a very good price I couldn't resist.
Before I took the plunge I did read a bunch of reviews, 95% was very

Positive, some reviews were negative but that mostly was towards the fuel
command center issues which by the time I got mine those issues were

Supposedly resolved. I did get my set up from Jason at the thegmcrv.com.

Anyway, so far no regrets!

JMHO!

Jon

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76 Palm Beach

Westfield,IN

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A fairly recently Fuel Injection system to replace carburetors in GMC
engines.



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On Oct 21, 2016, at 18:07, "jhsilva19"
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What is FiTech...











J. Silva







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Date: 10/21/2016 6:16:19 PM



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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Trip Report







Hi Scott,







For sure you can't go wrong with a well tuned Q-Jet, mine did well for many

Years. For me I didn't want to deal with the carb anymore and when the



FiTech came out at what I thought was a very good price I couldn't resist.

Before I took the plunge I did read a bunch of reviews, 95% was very



Positive, some reviews were negative but that mostly was towards the fuel

Command center issues which by the time I got mine those issues were



Supposedly resolved. I did get my set up from Jason at the thegmcrv.com.







Anyway, so far no regrets!











JMHO!







Jon



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> Hi Scott,
>
> For sure you can't go wrong with a well tuned Q-Jet, mine did well for many years. For me I didn't want to deal with the carb anymore and when the
> FiTech came out at what I thought was a very good price I couldn't resist. Before I took the plunge I did read a bunch of reviews, 95% was very
> positive, some reviews were negative but that mostly was towards the fuel command center issues which by the time I got mine those issues were
> supposedly resolved. I did get my set up from Jason at the thegmcrv.com.
>
> Anyway, so far no regrets!

My FiTech will arrive on Monday. Planning a vacation day on Tuesday.
Jerry Work did a great job on his FiTech presentation at the WS Coos Bay
rally and I ordered immediately. Looking forward to the install.

Did it perform differently than your Q-jet, other than startup, of course.

And "Trip Report" isn't going to get many eyes on this thread hoping to
see EFI stuff. :^)

Kelvin
'73 23' in Eugene, OR
 
While mine hasn't been driven a lot yet (it's still being built) I think the FiTech has already been worth the investment just because every time I go
to start it it starts without any protest or drama, just crank crank vroom.

The few miles I have put on it have been good. Cruising it's the same as a well setup carb obviously, it just fuel in the combustion chamber. But from
a stop or accelerating it's a whole different animal.
I look forward to putting a ton of miles on her next year. We have a trip planned from here in TN at 800ft elevation to Montana at 7000+ so im hoping
it works out as well as I think it will up there too.

Holley actually just came out with their new system to compete with FiTech. It's called the sniper. Very similar in design and execution so I look
forward to seeing how that performs as well. I imagine people will be all over it with the Holley name and the FiTech price tag.
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Justin Brady
http://www.thegmcrv.com/
1976 Palm Beach 455
 
It performs a whole lot better then my carb, not just starting. Throttle response is night and day.
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Jon Payne
76 Palm Beach
Westfield,IN
 
> It performs a whole lot better then my carb, not just starting. Throttle response is night and day.

My carb has a real bog under initial acceleration. Like from a
stoplight. Likely NOT supposed to be there but maybe it's the 3.07 FD
ratio. We'll see.

Pretty excited about this. All of my Datsuns have had EFI of some sort
from 1996 on. Time for the GMC to join the 21st Century. :-)
 
My caqrbureted 3.07 doesn't bog off a light - it pulls well but it doesn'
t accelerate like the 26' with the 3.70 which wil spin the wheels if one isn't careful. I suspect this circumstance had a lot to do with the
seperation of one front tire. I'll point out as well, the Coopers ride a hell of a lot nicer than the BFGs.

--johnny
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'76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.

"Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
 
Well our trip to D.C. came to an end yesterday at about 3:30 CST, safely in our driveway. The 8.5 day, 1600 mile trip was our longest in both time and
miles in our 9 years of GMC ownership. Overall it went well. An 11 hour run from Birmingham to Lexington VA last Friday where we got to visit my alma
mater, watch them win a football game, and explore all the new construction, and have dinner with an old fraternity brother and his family. Not a
hiccup on the ride up. Cool temps let me run up the lower Shenandoah valley hills more or less with the cruise on and the temp gauge holding steady.
We stayed at Glen Maury Park, a town park, in Buena Vista, VA. About 8 miles from Lexington and very basic 30 amp service, dump station only, and bath
house. For less than $30 a night it was perfect. Especially as we could run both space heaters as temps dropped into the 20s at night.

We left Lexington and proceeded 80 miles north to Luray Caverns. I can't pass up the old roadside attractions, and this is the fifth or sixth cave we
stopped in over the years. Very commercial, but some truly amazing formations and a crystal clear mirror lake really set Luray apart. We stayed at
Outlanders RV Park just a few miles away. As was mentioned in a previous post, coming across from I81 leads you up and over a good sized mountain for
the Appalachians. We took it in second gear, the only time I needed that option the whole trip. Outlanders is very pretty. Just a field really, but
level, gravel spots with amazing views of the surrounding mountains. 50 amp service, full hookups, and excellent bath houses kept us toasty warm as
the temps dropped to the low 20s the night we stayed. It was about $45 per night, not bad for the area as the KOA a few miles away runs closer to $60.

The next morning we headed to Lake Fairfax State Park outside Washington D.C. On the 75 miles run we lost the throttle cable about 10 miles before
Dulles Airport. This is proving to be an ongoing problem for me, as the cruise control (rostra unit) seems to push the regular cable into the
retaining clip. Eventually the clip lets go, and the regular cable comes off the pin, leaving me coasting to the side. It's an easy repair, but I need
to find a more permanent solution.

The park, which boasts a good looking water park for the summer months, was about 6 miles East of Dulles Airport and 12 miles West of The Mall. The
campground isn't bad. Relatively flat, gravel sites with shade for the summer months on many. Only one loop is open in the winter, but they had both
back-in and pull through sites. $45 a night isn't bad considering how close to D.C. you are. 50 amp service and the bath houses were nice, but largely
unheated. I think they had the heat set to about 50 degrees just to keep pipes from freezing. Water was hot, but drying off and dressing was a chilly
exercise. No water or sewer at the campsites, you have to drive around to the dump station even to fill your water tank. It wasn't my favorite
campground, but location was everything.

That being said, we rented a car from Dulles Airport, easy pick up and drop off even with the coach as the delivery vehicle, and traffic around D.C.
is horrendous. We were never more than 12 or 15 miles from anything, but never less than 45 minutes and usually closer to an hour to get anywhere.
Lake Fairfax is not convenient to the Metro, though I know there is at least one campground on the Maryland side of D.C. that is. Unfortunately
getting to the Maryland side would have made the trip hours longer both in and out!

The kids loved D.C. First day we walked The Mall from Jefferson's Monument, to FDR to MLK. I've always loved Jefferson's, but the FDR Monument is
simply extraordinary. It is sprawling and wonderful, and as the monument farthest in a straight line from Washington, it probably doesn't get the
visitors it deserves. The quotes are amazing and applicable to today's issues, just as they were 70 to 80 years ago. With 12 years of presidential
speeches plus his fireside chats, they really did choose the best of the best. MLK's Monument is nice in its symbolism, but as the only non-president
in the line (George Mason is just off The Mall), it seems a bit out of place. Still, a powerful reminder of a darker time in our history.

Day Two we pushed the kids hard. We spent the morning at the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History, then walked to Washington's Monument. The Park
Service volunteers dressed up in period clothes tell excellent history lessons for your kids! You can no longer go up the Monument as I did so long
ago as a child. But we walked down to the WWII Monument, my first time to see it. One of the best of the more modern monuments it truly tells a moving
story. Well worth the visit just to see this remembrance. We then strolled down the reflecting pool, stopping at the Korean War Monument, then being
awed by the Lincoln Memorial, before watching my dad touch long lost friends' names on the Vietnam Wall. After 6 miles, a long way for 5 year old and
7 year old legs, we headed back.

Day Three was the most moving day of the trip. My wife's maternal grandparents were laid to rest at Arlington National Cemetery. We spent the morning
wandering the Cemetery. We watched the changing of the guard and the laying of two wreaths at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. I saw something at the
changing of the guard I've never seen in 3 or 4 trips before. The Sergeant actually sent the new guard back to fix a flaw during his inspection! It
extended the ceremony by about 10 minutes. I have no idea what the flaw was, but since he was in the middle of examining the rifle probably was a
fingerprint on the barrel! We visited many of the other important grave sites, from Audy Murphy to President Taft, and of course admired the Eternal
Flame.

After lunch we returned for the burial. A moving service was held at Old Post Chapel on the local base, then we followed the remains to the burial
wall. Taps and the 21 gun salute were as moving as always. The Marine Corps Commandant and a two star General from MARSOC, as well as the Marine Corps
Sergeant Major (highest ranking enlisted man), were in attendance and the Commandant presented the flag to my wife's aunt. Crystal's grandfather was
one of the last of the Marine Corps Raiders, the WWII special forces troops from the Pacific theater. He was very active in Marine Corps charities and
events, even escorting home some recovered remains in the 80s. He served in both WWII and Korea as a Navy Corpsman attached to the Marines and wrote a
book about his service.

In a Marine Special Forces tradition, my wife's mother was presented with a hand wrapped paddle symbolic of Jim's service and the Raiders' efforts in
WWII. A current member of the recently re-constituted Raiders created the paddle specially for Jim's service. It was a beautiful tribute and
wonderfully presented by an enlisted man in the presence of two of his highest superior officers. Not a dry eye in the house among family, friends, or
the dozens of servicemen who honored Jim.

Day Four we visited the National Zoo. Well worth the visit if you've never seen Panda Bears, and the Amazonia Exhibit is fabulous. This was probably
the kids favorite day, and it was good it came the day before we left as it was two long days home.

The first day we were making good progress until we stopped for gas about 60 miles north of the TN/VA state line. One of the lines to the vapor
separator decided to disintegrate, spilling a couple gallons of recently purchased gas. Luckily the station was run by some good samaritans who gave
me a lift to the local parts store to get a length of 3/8" gas line. 10 minutes after I got back we were on the road again, albeit with a strong gas
smell from where some had soaked into the plywood while it had been spraying out. It dissipated over 12 hours, but I lost a lot of time pulling off
the interstate when it got bad and checking to make sure I had no other leaks. I haven't found any, but did find some more hose that will need to be
replaced.

We made Bristol TN that night and stayed in a nice privately owned urban campground name Shadracks. Really just a field with level gravel spots, not
too far from the Speedway. I imagine they are quite busy on race weekends and have the electric set up so they can go from 50 amp to two 30 amp spots
with ease. Bathrooms were nice. Water posts every other spot, but sewer at all. Again, about $40 per night.

Finally we hit the road again yesterday morning for the last stretch. The kids were getting cranky about two straight days on the road, but we made it
home safe and sound.

Now we need to unload and prepare to reload for a trip to the Mouse House later this year.
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Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
 
what a great report! Thank you. I must say, since I've been the owner of a GMC, I've spent an inordinate amount of time looking at this site, as
well as others, and reading about people's experiences.

Since a majority of this message board seems to be about issues, and fixes, and problems, and breakdowns, (intended and un-intended) it's sort of like
drinking from a fire hose, and to be honest, it's made me concerned that any and every trip I am going to take in my coach is going to be riddled with
problems. I sincerely hope that's not the case!

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1976 Palm Beach
Austin, TX
 
If you take time to talk to people that work on these all the time and
follow their suggestions, you'll lessen your incidence of problems.
I can tell ou that majority of the units have not had lot of things done,
so after 40 years, you must address them or wished you did.
I don't have all the answers, but having had one since 1980, and having put
on almost 2 million miles I tend to know.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Adam Metzger
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> what a great report! Thank you. I must say, since I've been the owner of
> a GMC, I've spent an inordinate amount of time looking at this site, as
> well as others, and reading about people's experiences.
>
> Since a majority of this message board seems to be about issues, and
> fixes, and problems, and breakdowns, (intended and un-intended) it's sort
> of like
> drinking from a fire hose, and to be honest, it's made me concerned that
> any and every trip I am going to take in my coach is going to be riddled
> with
> problems. I sincerely hope that's not the case!
>
> --
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> Austin, TX
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
jimk
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1-800-752-7502
 
Be prepared for the breakdown issues of these coaches and aware of the weak
links and spare parts that should be carried with you when you travel. This
is my second 77 gmc and I can count fewer trips without incident than ones
with. That said, I have only had to be hooked twice. Once for a bad trans
and once for a bad motor. Luckily both occurred close enough to the
destination as to not exceed towing insurance I have. Btw,make sure you
have a good tow insurance plan. I have probably traveled a combined
distance of over 10,000 miles between the two coaches over 2-3 years.

I prefer to travel in daylight as it makes it much easier to investigate
when a problem does arise. Being familiar with how your key systems work
can make the difference between an annoying problem to fix and being
helplessly stranded. Keep the black list nearby and your phone and credit
card charged.

Sully
77 eleganza 2
Seattle

> what a great report! Thank you. I must say, since I've been the owner of
> a GMC, I've spent an inordinate amount of time looking at this site, as
> well as others, and reading about people's experiences.
>
> Since a majority of this message board seems to be about issues, and
> fixes, and problems, and breakdowns, (intended and un-intended) it's sort
> of like
> drinking from a fire hose, and to be honest, it's made me concerned that
> any and every trip I am going to take in my coach is going to be riddled
> with
> problems. I sincerely hope that's not the case!
>
> --
> 1976 Palm Beach
> Austin, TX
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