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dave lowry

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All this talk about 6 wheel disc brakes makes me wish I had a couple grand
to have the system installed. In the mean time, I need too be sure I'm
getting all I can out of the oem system. I'm sure there are many many
others are in the same position.

Could a few of our resident experts please offer suggestions as to how
those of us us with the original systems can be sure we're getting as much
stopping power as possible?

Also, it would be helpful to hear recommendations for relatively
inexpensive improvements. For example, I've heard that slightly oversized
pads are available for the stock front calipers. Are they worthwhile?

We can't all do the "TSM shuffle", but need help to insure we don't "rear
end" our brethren.

Thanks for any advice you can offer.

___________
Dave (& Dege), '76 Royale /_][__] [_] | "SR JAMES"
Santa Barbara, CA *-O------OO--*
 
1 1/16" wheel cylinders are Wagner F79767 or the 1 1/8" ones Bendix 29634

>In a message dated 4/23/99 3:51:49 PM Central Daylight Time,

>
>>
>> A cheap improvement is to replace the front bogie wheel cylinders with
>ones
>>
>> having a 1-1/16" diameter. These bolt right in with no modifications.
>This
>>
>> will give you a bit better pressure on these wheels.
>>
>Emery,
>where can I get these?
>Lanier
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
I would think the cheapest way is to either:

1. Add a power master system in place of the brake booster and master
cylinder, about $200.
2. Install a sensitized brake booster ($175) and over size brake cylinders
and new carbon metallic pads

>All this talk about 6 wheel disc brakes makes me wish I had a couple grand
>to have the system installed. In the mean time, I need too be sure I'm
>getting all I can out of the oem system. I'm sure there are many many
>others are in the same position.
>
>Could a few of our resident experts please offer suggestions as to how
>those of us us with the original systems can be sure we're getting as much
>stopping power as possible?
>
>Also, it would be helpful to hear recommendations for relatively
>inexpensive improvements. For example, I've heard that slightly oversized
>pads are available for the stock front calipers. Are they worthwhile?
>
>We can't all do the "TSM shuffle", but need help to insure we don't "rear
>end" our brethren.
>
>Thanks for any advice you can offer.
>
> ___________
>Dave (& Dege), '76 Royale /_][__] [_] | "SR JAMES"
> Santa Barbara, CA *-O------OO--*
>
>
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
>A cheap improvement is to replace the front bogie wheel cylinders with
ones
>having a 1-1/16" diameter. These bolt right in with no modifications.
This
>will give you a bit better pressure on these wheels.

Any idea what the part number or application is for the 1-1/16 cylinders?

Dave
73 Sequoia
 
Thanks Emery.

I've got a supposedly good (doesn't adveretise, but still busy) truck
mechanic coming over on Monday to check things out. I'll show him a copy of
your post.

Meanwhile, may I please impose for a few more specific questions.

1. Is it true that the 80mm calipers require more fluid to actuate, thus
resulting in a longer (closer to the floor) pedal stroke?

2. Would I gain braking power by replacing the oem pads with the larger
ones, while still using the oen calipers?

3. If I have the 80mm calipers put on, should I put on the larger pads too?

4. Can you give me a part number for the larger cylinders for the front bogey?

With a little help from y'all, us "rear drummers" will be able to avoid
disaster.

Guess we'd better have a case of cold ones for the guys I've pestered when
we get to Albuquerque.

Many Thanks,

BTW: Have y'all noticed that most folks refer to their coaches as "ladies"
when their braggin' about 'em, and "the beast" when there's trouble?

___________
Dave (& Dege), '76 Royale /_][__] [_] | "SR JAMES"
Santa Barbara, CA *-O------OO--*
 
Oops! Sorry Emery.

Those of us only getting the digest sometimes submit posts asking questions
after the answers are posted because the answers haven't been "digested"
yet.

But the other questions still need answers, even if it does cost me another
brew. (BG)

The California Pest,

___________
Dave (& Dege), '76 Royale /_][__] [_] | "SR JAMES"
Santa Barbara, CA *-O------OO--*
 
After 37 years of marriage -- and raising one daughter -- it depends on the
time of the month. :-)
(Damn glad this list has a high testosterone level or I'd get some serious
hate mail.)
Dick 75 PB in Atlanta

>Dave
>
>Is there really that much difference between Lady and Beast?
>
>Take Care
>Arch
>
>In a message dated 4/24/99 10:16:06 PM Central Daylight Time,

>
>>
>> BTW: Have y'all noticed that most folks refer to their coaches as "ladies"
>> when their braggin' about 'em, and "the beast" when there's trouble?
>>
>
>
 
Emery and all, This is precisely what the Internet is designed to do. Which
is why, God forbid, of ANY politician or agency of government get his or its
grubby little, self-serving *^#@%^&* hands on the net for "da cherldrin," or
some other trumped up excuse (and God knows, they've got a million of 'em!),
America -- as most of us knew her -- will be pretty much over.
Can't EVER let that happen.
So, when the next effort to sieze control of the net comes down the pike --
probably as a result of the tragedy in Littleton -- we ALL must resist it.
Dick '75 PB in Atlanta

>

>
>
>Dave>>
>
>I have learned to read ahead on messages. I see that Rick Staples has
>already posted an admirable reply to this request. He did such as good job
>that I can't think of anything to add.
>
>The "beauty" of this GMCnet is that a lot of us have knowledge in one area or
>another and I don't think any of us are afraid to give our opinion even
>knowing that there could be a better way or (God forgive) that we could be
>incorrect. It is very self policing as conflicting opinions will get hashed
>over pretty thoroughly.
>
>Emery Stora
>77 Kingsley
>Santa Fe, NM
>
 
Thanks Rick & Emery.

You've answered my questions, and I'm sure many others can now optimize
their brakes without "breaking the bank".

Dick's right; this is exactly how it's supposed to work.

Arch: Spoken like one who does his own cookin'. ("Beast" vs "Lady")

And I waited t read #404 before I posted this.

Cheers,

___________
Dave (& Dege), '76 Royale /_][__] [_] | "SR JAMES"
Santa Barbara, CA =B0-0--- ---OO--=B0
 
>I agree with Tom. I've had Powermaster for a long time, probably 8 or 9
years
>and am well pleased with it.

What is Powermaster??

Dave
73 Sequoia
 
>Dave - you should read yesterday's mail first. I posted this on 4/23 :

>Almost any autoparts store. These are used on many, many GM automobiles.
>Bendix 33709, Wagner F79767, EIS EW79767. ....

Sorry. I seem to be having problems getting messages from the list. Seems
that some of them are delayed for substantial periods of time while others
come in immediately. Probably something going on at my fly-by-night ISP.
Its been a while since they have had a major problem so I am sure that
there is some catastrophe looming on the horizon....

Dave
73 Sequoia
 
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