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david l greenberg

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>In a message dated 12/16/1999 1:30:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>
>> n my collection of GMC memorabilia I have about 2 dozen film/audio
>> strips that dealers used for training service personnel. I wonder
>how
>> many actually took the course??
>Hi Dave!
>Anyway of getting them formatted for use in vcr? Maybe all the clubs
could get the whole package so all could eventually see somehow?
>
>Scott HREF="http://members.aol.com/adohen/advice/index.htm">NEHODA'S
>BACK YARD
I would like to do that. The projector has been at Jim Bounds shop for
quite a while. He thought he could rewire the rodent damage but couldn't
manage it without a schematic. The only other solution would be to copy
them in VHS. The problem here is getting audio in synch with the film.
The tapes are rather odd; they are on 35mm film strips with a regular
audio cassette tape combined in a special cartridge. Bill Bryant has been
working to convert another film cartridge type to VHS and has experienced
difficulty.

If some club wants to come forward and underwrite the conversion costs (I
have no idea at this point what they would be) I would be willing to
share the media with them.

Dave Greenberg
Seasons Greetings To All!
 
Dave

Is there any chance that someone at GM might be convinced that the conversion
might be a good public relations effort. They have more funds than we do,
and they might still have a good machine to work with.

Wayne Newland F9300 75 Palm Beach Columbia (PARTY NIGHT) Md

> >In a message dated 12/16/1999 1:30:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> >
> >> n my collection of GMC memorabilia I have about 2 dozen film/audio
> >> strips that dealers used for training service personnel. I wonder
> >how
> >> many actually took the course??
> >Hi Dave!
> >Anyway of getting them formatted for use in vcr? Maybe all the clubs
> could get the whole package so all could eventually see somehow?
> >
> >Scott >HREF="http://members.aol.com/adohen/advice/index.htm">NEHODA'S
> >BACK YARD
> I would like to do that. The projector has been at Jim Bounds shop for
> quite a while. He thought he could rewire the rodent damage but couldn't
> manage it without a schematic. The only other solution would be to copy
> them in VHS. The problem here is getting audio in synch with the film.
> The tapes are rather odd; they are on 35mm film strips with a regular
> audio cassette tape combined in a special cartridge. Bill Bryant has been
> working to convert another film cartridge type to VHS and has experienced
> difficulty.
>
> If some club wants to come forward and underwrite the conversion costs (I
> have no idea at this point what they would be) I would be willing to
> share the media with them.
>
> Dave Greenberg
> Seasons Greetings To All!
 
>Dave
>
>Is there any chance that someone at GM might be convinced that the
conversion
>might be a good public relations effort. They have more funds than we
do,
>and they might still have a good machine to work with.
>
>Wayne Newland F9300 75 Palm Beach Columbia (PARTY NIGHT) Md

Hi Wayne and other interested parties!

I understand GM was not very receptive to the suggeestion they should
participate in the 25th Anniversary Celebration that Ralph Luby was
planning. I heard the response to the request was, "We don't make
motorhomes anymore."

This is probably 4th or 5th hand info and I suppose the person Luby's
people talked to probably wasn't born in 1973 so........ If we had a
solid GM P.R. person to contact it would be a good first step.

Dave Greenberg
 
I would be pleased to get copies of these
filmstrips on VHS tape. If anybody
gets them converted I would be glad to pay
for my personal copy of the tape(s).

If we got 50 people combined with the
local clubs to buy a copy do you think
we could convert the filmstrips and sell
tapes for around $25.00 each?

Is anyone else interested in getting a copy?

Bob Morris
Cortland NY 13045
74 Elganza SE
jayhawk

- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: Service Training Films

> On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:27:00 -0500 Wayne Newland

> >Dave
> >
> >Is there any chance that someone at GM might be
convinced that the
> conversion
> >might be a good public relations effort. They
have more funds than we
> do,
> >and they might still have a good machine to
work with.
> >
> >Wayne Newland F9300 75 Palm Beach Columbia
(PARTY NIGHT) Md
>
> Hi Wayne and other interested parties!
>
> I understand GM was not very receptive to the
suggeestion they should
> participate in the 25th Anniversary Celebration
that Ralph Luby was
> planning. I heard the response to the request
was, "We don't make
> motorhomes anymore."
>
> This is probably 4th or 5th hand info and I
suppose the person Luby's
> people talked to probably wasn't born in 1973
so........ If we had a
> solid GM P.R. person to contact it would be a
good first step.
>
> Dave Greenberg
>
 
Dan Stratton at Autosport in Omaha NE (402) 734-1133, told me that he
had the complete set of training films too. He also mentioned that it
would be a shame for them to go to waste. He has the projector too. He
would be willing to loan them to who ever could copy them to a VCR
format.

John '76 Palm Beach, Omaha, NE

> >> n my collection of GMC memorabilia I have about 2 dozen film/audio
> >> strips that dealers used for training service personnel. I wonder
> >how
> >> many actually took the course??
 
Hi All

Real Audio makes a software editing package that may work to put these onto
a CD or perhaps a web page. It is a slide show package with music and/or
narration. It is designed to put slide shows on the internet but I presume
it creates a file or files that could be downloaded or sent out by CD.

Dave Mumert

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nepper, Jr."
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: Service Training Films

> Dan Stratton at Autosport in Omaha NE (402) 734-1133, told me that he
> had the complete set of training films too. He also mentioned that it
> would be a shame for them to go to waste. He has the projector too. He
> would be willing to loan them to who ever could copy them to a VCR
> format.
>
> John '76 Palm Beach, Omaha, NE
>
>
> > >> n my collection of GMC memorabilia I have about 2 dozen film/audio
> > >> strips that dealers used for training service personnel. I wonder
> > >how
> > >> many actually took the course??
>
 
Was it 'Real Audio" that landed in court for sending "spies" into
person's home computers and reporting back to 'hearquarters' what
was contained on hard-drives that had downloaded un-Real Audio
??

Mikeb

> Hi All
>
> Real Audio makes a software editing package that may work to put these onto
> a CD or perhaps a web page. It is a slide show package with music and/or
> narration. It is designed to put slide shows on the internet but I presume
> it creates a file or files that could be downloaded or sent out by CD.
>
> Dave Mumert
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Nepper, Jr."
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 3:27 PM
> Subject: Re: GMC: Service Training Films
>
>
> > Dan Stratton at Autosport in Omaha NE (402) 734-1133, told me that he
> > had the complete set of training films too. He also mentioned that it
> > would be a shame for them to go to waste. He has the projector too. He
> > would be willing to loan them to who ever could copy them to a VCR
> > format.
> >
> > John '76 Palm Beach, Omaha, NE
> >
> >
> > > >> n my collection of GMC memorabilia I have about 2 dozen film/audio
> > > >> strips that dealers used for training service personnel. I wonder
> > > >how
> > > >> many actually took the course??
> >
>
>
>
 
> I would be pleased to get copies of these
> filmstrips on VHS tape. If anybody
> gets them converted I would be glad to pay
> for my personal copy of the tape(s).
>
> If we got 50 people combined with the
> local clubs to buy a copy do you think
> we could convert the filmstrips and sell
> tapes for around $25.00 each?
>
> Is anyone else interested in getting a copy?

- ----------------------------------------------------------

I have transferred film to tape when I worked in broadcast TV (before I
became retarded). Since I no longer enjoy that employment, I cannot
perform such a service noq. However, there are several facilities in
this area where I believe I could still have this done. Price? I would
have to check. I would need more particulars about the films.

As for dupes of this "master tape", I have the facility for making VHS &
Super-VHS dupes. Cost would be approx. $15 (regardless of quantity) plus
shipping, which would be about $2.50 each.

MOST IMPORTANT...................Copyright would have to be cleared
first.

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When I taught my graduate class in management of technology, I used realaudio.
They provided a free download of their software, and some 13 million people took
advantage of it. Realaudio learned what music they listened to, where they
stored it on their drive, how much they had stored, and what software(equip)
they used to play it. After the truth came out they "apologized" and made a
patch to their system to delete the info. Talk about "big brother"... my
students were somewhat surprised, but when you register Microsoft 2000, you are
giving up some info as well.

al

> Was it 'Real Audio" that landed in court for sending "spies" into
> person's home computers and reporting back to 'hearquarters' what
> was contained on hard-drives that had downloaded un-Real Audio
> ??
>
> Mikeb
>
> > Hi All
> >
> > Real Audio makes a software editing package that may work to put these onto
> > a CD or perhaps a web page. It is a slide show package with music and/or
> > narration. It is designed to put slide shows on the internet but I presume
> > it creates a file or files that could be downloaded or sent out by CD.
> >
> > Dave Mumert
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Nepper, Jr."
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 3:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: GMC: Service Training Films
> >
> >
> > > Dan Stratton at Autosport in Omaha NE (402) 734-1133, told me that he
> > > had the complete set of training films too. He also mentioned that it
> > > would be a shame for them to go to waste. He has the projector too. He
> > > would be willing to loan them to who ever could copy them to a VCR
> > > format.
> > >
> > > John '76 Palm Beach, Omaha, NE
> > >
> > >
> > > > >> n my collection of GMC memorabilia I have about 2 dozen film/audio
> > > > >> strips that dealers used for training service personnel. I wonder
> > > > >how
> > > > >> many actually took the course??
> > >
> >
> >
> >
 
Don't forget Elf Bowling

Might have been the largest Trojan Horse in history. They also say "We are
not using the info" May be , but makes me mad they did not tell us about
this. I am not going to run it on my machine.

Trojan Horse software will carry in a program that reports back to
somewhere else. It will even go through firewalls.
gene

>When I taught my graduate class in management of technology, I used
realaudio.
>They provided a free download of their software, and some 13 million
people took
>advantage of it. Realaudio learned what music they listened to, where they
>stored it on their drive, how much they had stored, and what software(equip)
>they used to play it. After the truth came out they "apologized" and made a
>patch to their system to delete the info. Talk about "big brother"... my
>students were somewhat surprised, but when you register Microsoft 2000,
you are
>giving up some info as well.
>
>al
>

>
>> Was it 'Real Audio" that landed in court for sending "spies" into
>> person's home computers and reporting back to 'hearquarters' what
>> was contained on hard-drives that had downloaded un-Real Audio
>> ??
>>
>> Mikeb
>>
>> > Hi All
>> >
>> > Real Audio makes a software editing package that may work to put these
onto
>> > a CD or perhaps a web page. It is a slide show package with music and/or
>> > narration. It is designed to put slide shows on the internet but I
presume
>> > it creates a file or files that could be downloaded or sent out by CD.
>> >
>> > Dave Mumert
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "John Nepper, Jr."
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 3:27 PM
>> > Subject: Re: GMC: Service Training Films
>> >
>> >
>> > > Dan Stratton at Autosport in Omaha NE (402) 734-1133, told me that he
>> > > had the complete set of training films too. He also mentioned that it
>> > > would be a shame for them to go to waste. He has the projector too.
He
>> > > would be willing to loan them to who ever could copy them to a VCR
>> > > format.
>> > >
>> > > John '76 Palm Beach, Omaha, NE
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > >> n my collection of GMC memorabilia I have about 2 dozen film/audio
>> > > > >> strips that dealers used for training service personnel. I wonder
>> > > > >how
>> > > > >> many actually took the course??
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
Genef -- 77PB/ore/ca
GMC MOTORHOME INFORMATION
mr.erf
http://www.california.com/~eagle/
 
>Dan Stratton at Autosport in Omaha NE (402) 734-1133, told me that he
>had the complete set of training films too. He also mentioned that it
>would be a shame for them to go to waste. He has the projector too. He
>would be willing to loan them to who ever could copy them to a VCR
>format.

I am wondering if it would make more sense to convert them to web pages and=
=20
post them to the net. Each frame on the film-strip can be scanned on a 35mm=
=20
scanner and saved as a JPEG file. The complete soundtrack can be recorded=
=20
to a wave file. The wave file would be separated into new wave file=20
segments, one for each frame. These wave files would be compressed to MP3=20
format to make them small enough to store on a web page. Each pic would be=
=20
linked to its MP3 sound file. With this approach the person viewing the=20
program would not need proprietary software to watch the show. You could=20
move through the show at your own pace and stop/start anyplace within the=20
show. Another advantage to this approach is that the we could probably fit=
=20
the whole set of programs onto a single CD for those of us who would like=20
to own the whole package.

Just a thought...

Dave
Ann Arbor, MI.
73 Sequoia (26'/455/EFI/HEI/160=B0)
 
Hi Gene,

I just got Elf Bowling, Heard about a virus, But Norton Virus scan said it
was a hoax. Since I still have this is there anything I should know????
Thanks for info!!!!!

And to the GMCnet of fine people, Hope we all have a Very Merry
Christmas!!!! And a Safe and Happy New Year, With the Wish that the World's
People will have a better outlook on Life and express it to others for a
better World!!!!

Ron&Gina
73 Pumpkin-Rose
Ft. Mohave, AZ.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "gene"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: GMC: Service Training Films

> Don't forget Elf Bowling
>
> Might have been the largest Trojan Horse in history. They also say "We
are
> not using the info" May be , but makes me mad they did not tell us about
> this. I am not going to run it on my machine.
>
> Trojan Horse software will carry in a program that reports back to
> somewhere else. It will even go through firewalls.
> gene
>
>

> >When I taught my graduate class in management of technology, I used
> realaudio.
> >They provided a free download of their software, and some 13 million
> people took
> >advantage of it. Realaudio learned what music they listened to, where
they
> >stored it on their drive, how much they had stored, and what
software(equip)
> >they used to play it. After the truth came out they "apologized" and
made a
> >patch to their system to delete the info. Talk about "big brother"... my
> >students were somewhat surprised, but when you register Microsoft 2000,
> you are
> >giving up some info as well.
> >
> >al
> >

> >
> >> Was it 'Real Audio" that landed in court for sending "spies" into
> >> person's home computers and reporting back to 'hearquarters' what
> >> was contained on hard-drives that had downloaded un-Real Audio
> >> ??
> >>
> >> Mikeb
> >>
> >> > Hi All
> >> >
> >> > Real Audio makes a software editing package that may work to put
these
> onto
> >> > a CD or perhaps a web page. It is a slide show package with music
and/or
> >> > narration. It is designed to put slide shows on the internet but I
> presume
> >> > it creates a file or files that could be downloaded or sent out by
CD.
> >> >
> >> > Dave Mumert
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "John Nepper, Jr."
> >> > To:
> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 3:27 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: GMC: Service Training Films
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Dan Stratton at Autosport in Omaha NE (402) 734-1133, told me that
he
> >> > > had the complete set of training films too. He also mentioned that
it
> >> > > would be a shame for them to go to waste. He has the projector
too.
> He
> >> > > would be willing to loan them to who ever could copy them to a VCR
> >> > > format.
> >> > >
> >> > > John '76 Palm Beach, Omaha, NE
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > >> n my collection of GMC memorabilia I have about 2 dozen
film/audio
> >> > > > >> strips that dealers used for training service personnel. I
wonder
> >> > > > >how
> >> > > > >> many actually took the course??
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
> Genef -- 77PB/ore/ca
> GMC MOTORHOME INFORMATION
> mr.erf
> http://www.california.com/~eagle/
 
It is a Trojan Horse that is it reports back to the folks who wrote it. It
will try to log on to the net and if it does not find a link it will run
any way. They say that they do not collect the data, but they are getting
in trouble for not telling the users what they are doing. It seems they
did this to prove the concept of taking data this way. Most agree there
is no harm done to your machine.
gene

>Hi Gene,
>
>I just got Elf Bowling, Heard about a virus, But Norton Virus scan said it
>was a hoax. Since I still have this is there anything I should know????
>Thanks for info!!!!!
>
>And to the GMCnet of fine people, Hope we all have a Very Merry
>Christmas!!!! And a Safe and Happy New Year, With the Wish that the World's
>People will have a better outlook on Life and express it to others for a
>better World!!!!
>
>Ron&Gina
>73 Pumpkin-Rose
>Ft. Mohave, AZ.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "gene"
>To:
>Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 4:46 AM
>Subject: Re: GMC: Service Training Films
>
>
>> Don't forget Elf Bowling
>>
>> Might have been the largest Trojan Horse in history. They also say "We
>are
>> not using the info" May be , but makes me mad they did not tell us about
>> this. I am not going to run it on my machine.
>>
>> Trojan Horse software will carry in a program that reports back to
>> somewhere else. It will even go through firewalls.
>> gene
>>
>>

>> >When I taught my graduate class in management of technology, I used
>> realaudio.
>> >They provided a free download of their software, and some 13 million
>> people took
>> >advantage of it. Realaudio learned what music they listened to, where
>they
>> >stored it on their drive, how much they had stored, and what
>software(equip)
>> >they used to play it. After the truth came out they "apologized" and
>made a
>> >patch to their system to delete the info. Talk about "big brother"... my
>> >students were somewhat surprised, but when you register Microsoft 2000,
>> you are
>> >giving up some info as well.
>> >
>> >al
>> >

>> >
>> >> Was it 'Real Audio" that landed in court for sending "spies" into
>> >> person's home computers and reporting back to 'hearquarters' what
>> >> was contained on hard-drives that had downloaded un-Real Audio
>> >> ??
>> >>
>> >> Mikeb
>> >>
>> >> > Hi All
>> >> >
>> >> > Real Audio makes a software editing package that may work to put
>these
>> onto
>> >> > a CD or perhaps a web page. It is a slide show package with music
>and/or
>> >> > narration. It is designed to put slide shows on the internet but I
>> presume
>> >> > it creates a file or files that could be downloaded or sent out by
>CD.
>> >> >
>> >> > Dave Mumert
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "John Nepper, Jr."
>> >> > To:
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 3:27 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: GMC: Service Training Films
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > Dan Stratton at Autosport in Omaha NE (402) 734-1133, told me that
>he
>> >> > > had the complete set of training films too. He also mentioned that
>it
>> >> > > would be a shame for them to go to waste. He has the projector
>too.
>> He
>> >> > > would be willing to loan them to who ever could copy them to a VCR
>> >> > > format.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > John '76 Palm Beach, Omaha, NE
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > >> n my collection of GMC memorabilia I have about 2 dozen
>film/audio
>> >> > > > >> strips that dealers used for training service personnel. I
>wonder
>> >> > > > >how
>> >> > > > >> many actually took the course??
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> Genef -- 77PB/ore/ca
>> GMC MOTORHOME INFORMATION
>> mr.erf
>> http://www.california.com/~eagle/
>
>
>
Genef -- 77PB/ore/ca
GMC MOTORHOME INFORMATION
mr.erf
http://www.california.com/~eagle/
 
I just got Elf Bowling, Heard about a virus, But Norton Virus scan said
it
was a hoax. Since I still have this is there anything I should know????
Thanks for info!!!
Ron,
I've been following this thread also. Since I have "Elf Bowling" I was
concerned. Because of the "Pretty Park" derivitive of the "Pretty Worm"
virus, (I was sent by a friend) I immediately went ot the McAffee web
site & downloaded the newest vires detection software. Elf Bowling
contains no virus, at least not the one I have.
I have a lot of super 8 footage I took in Viet Nam. Much of it is
brittle so a few years ago I projected it onto a lenticular screen with
the projector bulb on the brighter setting, and recorded it all with a
good VHS camcorder. It came out pretty good and the detail was nearly
on par with the film. Those training films would sure be an asset to
us.
Steve Ferguson
 
Thanks Steve,

Yeah the training films would be great for the GMCnet. Hope it comes to
light!!!

Ron
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven D. Ferguson"
To: ;
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 6:30 AM
Subject: GMC: Service training films

> I just got Elf Bowling, Heard about a virus, But Norton Virus scan said
> it
> was a hoax. Since I still have this is there anything I should know????
> Thanks for info!!!
> Ron,
> I've been following this thread also. Since I have "Elf Bowling" I was
> concerned. Because of the "Pretty Park" derivitive of the "Pretty Worm"
> virus, (I was sent by a friend) I immediately went ot the McAffee web
> site & downloaded the newest vires detection software. Elf Bowling
> contains no virus, at least not the one I have.
> I have a lot of super 8 footage I took in Viet Nam. Much of it is
> brittle so a few years ago I projected it onto a lenticular screen with
> the projector bulb on the brighter setting, and recorded it all with a
> good VHS camcorder. It came out pretty good and the detail was nearly
> on par with the film. Those training films would sure be an asset to
> us.
> Steve Ferguson
>
 
One thing to remember is that videotape has a limited
lifespan...Just sitting on a shelf the video can
deteriorate..I have videotape taken in the early 80s..
I think I see some noise/loss in clarity....
Maybe new tape is made better..I don't know.
Rob Teed 74 Painted Desert

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of
> EMERYSTORA
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 12:36 PM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: Service training films
>
>
>

>
> brittle so a few years ago I projected it onto a lenticular screen with
> the projector bulb on the brighter setting, and recorded it all with a
> good VHS camcorder. It came out pretty good and the detail was nearly
> on par with the film. Those training films would sure be an asset to
> us.
> Steve Ferguson >>
>
> I have a copy system that mounts on the front of a video camera lens and
> contains lenses and a mirror to correct the image. The film projector or
> slide projector projects into one end and the video camera
> records out the
> other end. It has adapters for different size lenses. I used it
> to record
> many old 8 mm movies that my folks had from when I and my sisters
> were young
> onto VHS tapes. I then put the video into a VCR and had my Dad
> narrate the
> tape as we watched it while I recorded his voice on the tapes
> sound track.
> This will be great to pass along to my grandkids someday. I
> haven't used the
> copy system in many years. I have many racks of 35 mm slides
> that someday I
> want to put onto a video but don't know when I'll get around to it.
> Meanwhile, If anyone wants to borrow it to record their old films
> or slides
> let me know.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Santa Fe, NM
>

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Ed, this caveat is a "little off the wall" isn't it?

These films are 25 years old! I doubt that GM or Cinnabar would want to
litigate -for what purpose? Are these fils any differnt than copying GMC
schematics? If I am missing something I trust you will enlighten me.

BTW, I never suggested putting this info on the Web but would share my
films with other GMC clubs without any hint of commercial return.

Ed Says,

>ANY form of copying w/o written permission mostly likely would be
>infringement,
>particularly if it were posted on the web for "public" access.
>
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>& http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/greenside/321/ &
>& &
>& Forest City Pixs &
>& http://users.erols.com/mistifawnvideo/Forest_City &
>&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
 
The fact is that these programs may not contain viruses. That is not the
issue. What was and is happening is that when you connect up to these
systems, they obtain information about you, your habits, and what/where you
like to browse. This information centers around "big brother" listening in
to what you do, where you go, and what you buy. They can build information
about your preferences, your likes/ dislikes and so forth. It is a
question of information security, and if you don't mind, it's ok....I for
one, do worry about what someone is collecting about my habits, my desires,
my visits to the web etc.

That is what is of concern.
al

> I just got Elf Bowling, Heard about a virus, But Norton Virus scan said
> it
> was a hoax. Since I still have this is there anything I should know????
> Thanks for info!!!
> Ron,
> I've been following this thread also. Since I have "Elf Bowling" I was
> concerned. Because of the "Pretty Park" derivitive of the "Pretty Worm"
> virus, (I was sent by a friend) I immediately went ot the McAffee web
> site & downloaded the newest vires detection software. Elf Bowling
> contains no virus, at least not the one I have.
> I have a lot of super 8 footage I took in Viet Nam. Much of it is
> brittle so a few years ago I projected it onto a lenticular screen with
> the projector bulb on the brighter setting, and recorded it all with a
> good VHS camcorder. It came out pretty good and the detail was nearly
> on par with the film. Those training films would sure be an asset to
> us.
> Steve Ferguson
 
Seems to me that I read that old copyright laws were
only good for a limited number of years..then it goes
into the public domain???? Unless the copyright holder
resubmits the copyright....Am I way off in left field
on this????
Rob Teed 74 Painted Desert

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Gcbr
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 9:23 PM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: Service Training Films
>
>
> In a message dated 12/18/1999 7:01:30 PM Central Standard Time,

>
> > These films are 25 years old! I doubt that GM or Cinnabar would want to
> > litigate -for what purpose? Are these fils any differnt than
> copying GMC
> > schematics? If I am missing something I trust you will enlighten me.
> >
> Dave
>
> I dont think ED is off the wall. I am not sure what Cinnabar bought from
> GM but will bet it did not come cheap. The one thing you have to keep
> in mind about this media we are now playing in (GMC Motorhome Net)
> we are not talking to five people in our area. We are talking to people
> all over the world. Some of you may remember the oil filter study that
> Russ did that was posted here. He is one of my old students. He got
> hit hard because he revealed that many of the oil filters were the same
> old thing----just repackaged and at a higher price. Industry likes what
> the net can do for them but are starting to realize how it can hurt them.
> They will hit a web page with the same big guns as a comprador because
> it is available to so many people. Why do you think some of us put in
> things like "this is what I have done---not what you should do". Some of
> us have been burned. Maybe not big time money yet but it is coming.
> I have a friend who lost his administrative job after 30 years
> for comments
> he made in a sex chat room to woman who was one of his employs.
> He did not know that it was her. I got as reprimand for comments I made
> to one of my students in a chat room not knowing it was her. The only
> thing that saved my butt was that in the profile she posted it said she
> was 40 years old. Dave I dont know if these film strips are worth
> anything. I can tell you the rules of fair play have not been developed
> yet. With no rules I like to play it safe. I am just to old to have my
> pistol at my side all of the time. It is at my side tonight. Dave I hope
> you know I have a very deep respect for you. I hope that none of what
> I have said has been cruel---it was not intended that way. I just think we
> play a little fast and loose with this sometimes.
>
> Take Care
> Arch
>

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