Posting photos on the net.

Thanks Johnny,

There's many reasons why attachments on email lists are not a good idea.
The primary two are bandwidth and the digest.

If you send a 20MB photo to the list and there are 300 subscribers, then
you just consumed 6GB of bandwidth. While bandwidth may not be much of a
concern for residential internet - it sure is for commercial server
rental.

Believe it or not - all email is plain text. Attachments are encoded into
what appear to be millions of random characters. If you insert that into
a digest volume, then the digest volume becomes useless(more bandwidth
wasted).

There are some workarounds - one list that I subscribe to allows photos
with an 18KB limit. Those are stripped out of the digest. The problem
with that is most people haven't a clue how to resize/compress a jpeg and
still try to post a 20MB file straight from their phone.

I guess that I'm just stuck in the 90's....
Patrick

> I deal with a couple of volunteer organizations, and my normal response to
> 'Why don't we///' it "Git 'er done!"
> Which is to say volunteers tend to do the best they can with what's
> available. Those who want something diofferent should step up and
> implement it.
> Lemme point out, this operation ain't free. Patrick picks up the tab and
> (hopefully) gets sufficient donations to keep it from breaking him. I've
> some stuff to go in the next big flea market, and like the last one, I'll
> send him the proceeds. You might drop a dime or two into his PayPal if
> you
> get any benefit from the group.
>
> --johnny

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Thanks for the explanation, Patrick. Never having used an email list for participating in a discussion, there are issues with photos that didn't occur
to me. I would guess that bandwidth is the most onerous, since it translates to $ paid by you to your server host.

One thing I'm curious about is _why_ folks use the email list at all. No judgement one way or the other, just curious.

I see that folks using the GMC Photos site are restricted to photo files no larger than 400kb and asked to limit to 100kb - so those phone photos
still need to be resized by the Board user to post photos using the GMC Photos method.

phpBB appears to have code (IMAGIK) that will resize images on uploading which should help deal with expertise, storage, display, and emailing
requirements.

(for context, I manage the website for an all-volunteer automobile enthusiast club and write php code from time to time to manipulate the database for
reports, etc.)
--
Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid
November 2015.
 
As this comes every 6 month or so, maybe a sticky up-front is helpful :)

Why email?

Very simple: Bandwidth and time. Especially when you are on the road, using email is a life-saver, because even when you are downloading *all* new
messages from *all* threads, the total bandwidth usage is, for the most part, way less than what you need to spend when going through the forum. And
you have everything locally on your computer, in case you need something, but have no internet.

And unfortunately, the thing about not having internet these days is more common than not.
--
Best regards

Peer Oliver Schmidt
PGP Key ID: 0x1A148E3AB67A51D6

'76a Eleganza II, VA
'73 Sequoia, SH, Germany
 
Peer,
Makes sense. Maybe a php script to convert photos to links for the email crowd would work. Then emailers could choose to view the photos that are most
useful to them when they have/want to use more bandwidth.
--
Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid
November 2015.
 
Bill, there is a sticky at the top of the forum that describes how to properly embed picture links that work on the forum and via email.
As far as why use email, I have asked that question too.
I have been using online forums since before the internet, in other words BBS systems, I used to use the GMC forum exclusively, but now the forum is blocked at work, but email isn't. and you know what? Email is pretty nice actually.

________________________________
From: Gmclist on behalf of Bill Van Vlack
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:48 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net.

Peer,
Makes sense. Maybe a php script to convert photos to links for the email crowd would work. Then emailers could choose to view the photos that are most
useful to them when they have/want to use more bandwidth.
--
Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid
November 2015.

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modern forum software (phpBB, xenforo seem to be the most secure/advanced) has email notifications and with sub forums you could have one for each
region, one for road emergencies, split tech into engine, trans, suspension etc.

yes, this set-up has stunted the growth of the greater GMC internet community, tremendously, but if you had not been a part of other more advance
online communities you would not be able to see this and might even take offense to this comment just as some here seem to have and continue to do.

and USAussie, that was uncalled for and did not confirm what Matt Colie wrote as being true/correct. Matt Collie *seems* to have been, from my
perspective, dishing out back handed comments and disinfo. thats rarely the case when 'all are equal' but is not uncommon from
administrators/moderators on some online communities. Ive been through this, some folks try to push others buttons because they can.

I was just asking for clarification so I can know who/what Im dealing with. things/people aint what they seem sometimes and quite often the most
seemingly friendly are far from it. is that what is happening here with the hidden admins/mods? just asking.

some folks take stuff like that in stride, others not so much. but all that not only stunts growth, it prevents it.

in my effort to find obscure details on these GMCs Ive had great difficulty because the thread splitting here and the search feature hit and mis so
Ive just been reading past topics since there is only one forum. Ive been back a few years now and learned quite alot about GMC (thank you all) but
also unfortunately, noticed a pattern, new folks with only a few posts, and some of them shunned and run off for no good reason. this has even been
mentioned by other long time posters several times.

how does all that work for the greater GMC good? we work with what we got until we see its a lost cause, I dont want to see that here and thats why I
make these suggestions comments. perhaps that is counter productive? I guess time will tell.
 
Keith,
I was proposing something a little different. Rather than posting a link to the GMC Photo site, perhaps there is a way to change GMCNet so that it
automatically sizes and display photos on the forum pages using the file upload button on the forum post page. (which would mean that the photos are
stored in the GMCNet database), and creates links to those photos that replace the photo URLs before the mail list emails are sent out.

Forum users would see the photos, mail list users could click the link in their emails to see the photos in a browser. They could just pick the photos
that interest them enough to use up some bandwidth/usage limits.

If email users wanted to post a photo, they can do it as they normally do (GMC Photo site link).
--
Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid
November 2015.
 
Bill,

I use the email system so I can put emails that I feel will be helpful to me and others in folders.

For example I have a master folder called GMC, subfolders such as Brakes, Suspension, Steering, Engine, etc.

I have sub-sub folders such as Front Brakes, Rear Brakes, Parking Brake, etc.; Front Suspension, Rear Suspension, etc; Steering
Wheel, Steering Column, Steering Gear, etc./ Air Cleaner, Carb, Intake Manifold, Camshaft, Block, Pistons, Rods, etc.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Bill Van Vlack
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:13 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net.

Thanks for the explanation, Patrick. Never having used an email list for participating in a discussion, there are issues with photos
that didn't occur
to me. I would guess that bandwidth is the most onerous, since it translates to $ paid by you to your server host.

One thing I'm curious about is _why_ folks use the email list at all. No judgement one way or the other, just curious.

I see that folks using the GMC Photos site are restricted to photo files no larger than 400kb and asked to limit to 100kb - so those
phone photos
still need to be resized by the Board user to post photos using the GMC Photos method.

phpBB appears to have code (IMAGIK) that will resize images on uploading which should help deal with expertise, storage, display,
and emailing
requirements.

(for context, I manage the website for an all-volunteer automobile enthusiast club and write php code from time to time to
manipulate the database for
reports, etc.)
--
Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator;
new owner a/o mid
November 2015.

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Rob,

Ahhh... makes sense. I use browser bookmarks the same way. Wish there was an easy way to save files (maintenance manual, for example) and bookmarks
together.
--
Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid
November 2015.
 
I'm going to hijack this subject , just a bit.
Many of us "grey hairs" still remember AM radio, and late
afternoon/early evening serial programs (BROUGHT TO YOU BY OVALTINE) One
such program I remember quite well was Captain Midnight. Every day a secret
message was broadcast and we listeners could then de-code using our Captain
Midnight Secret Decoder Ring.
Oh, you say you don't have one? Well, for only 25 cents and two safety
seals from the inside of an Ovaltine jar, mailed off to someplace far away,
and anxiously awaited for what seemed like years, to come finally arriving
in a special box. That made us the envy of the neighborhood as the proud
possessor of information that only we could decode with our rings.
Sound familiar? Remember America Online? Dead as a dodo bird, just
like AM radio serial radio shows.
Twitter? GOOGLE? Facebook? Wait a decade or so. Something new and
exciting is just around the corner, waiting to obsolete your favorite
server.
Jim Hupy

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018, 1:04 PM Bill Van Vlack
wrote:

> Rob,
>
> Ahhh... makes sense. I use browser bookmarks the same way. Wish there was
> an easy way to save files (maintenance manual, for example) and bookmarks
> together.
> --
> Bill Van Vlack
> '76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath,
> Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o
> mid
> November 2015.
>
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GMC2000,

What name should we be using when we want to address you specifically?

Not signing your messages leaves the impression that you prefer to remain somewhat anonymous.

Ranting about how another gmc contributor happens to phrase his thoughts, and being precise about your rant by quoting specifics and names is fine, but it sure doesn’t impress me when you don’t sign your own name to your rants. Some of us might like to know who we are communicating with on subjects of a somewhat personal nature, especially when the comments border on accusation.

Not trying to pick a fight here, just stating some of my own thoughts on how you interact in this group.

Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
 
I think everyone already knows my feeling on the issue so I won't elaborate, but Rob that is what's so much better about a modern forum!

All of those categories are already built in. If you have a question about brakes, or steering g, etc you post it in that subforum. Then it's always
there, not only for you who took the time to read and sort it in your email, but for EVERYONE who ever comes across this forum looking for information
about brakes.

It's great that you have it all sorted that way but how is the new guy supposed to find any of that? They can't. They have to post here and ask a
question that's already been answered 65 times.

It took me an hour the other day to find a message from Bob about which air filter he used for his efi stuff. I had to use about 10 search terms and
ready through hundreds of results until I finally remembered the name of the manufacturer he mentioned and was able to find it that way.

Facebook is even worse. You can't find something that you saw yesterday much less a year ago.

Posted from my phone so excuse the typos :)

> Bill,
>
> I use the email system so I can put emails that I feel will be helpful to me and others in folders.
>
> For example I have a master folder called GMC, subfolders such as Brakes, Suspension, Steering, Engine, etc.
>
> I have sub-sub folders such as Front Brakes, Rear Brakes, Parking Brake, etc.; Front Suspension, Rear Suspension, etc; Steering
> Wheel, Steering Column, Steering Gear, etc./ Air Cleaner, Carb, Intake Manifold, Camshaft, Block, Pistons, Rods, etc.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Bill Van Vlack
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:13 PM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net.
>
> Thanks for the explanation, Patrick. Never having used an email list for participating in a discussion, there are issues with photos
> that didn't occur
> to me. I would guess that bandwidth is the most onerous, since it translates to $ paid by you to your server host.
>
> One thing I'm curious about is _why_ folks use the email list at all. No judgement one way or the other, just curious.
>
> I see that folks using the GMC Photos site are restricted to photo files no larger than 400kb and asked to limit to 100kb - so those
> phone photos
> still need to be resized by the Board user to post photos using the GMC Photos method.
>
> phpBB appears to have code (IMAGIK) that will resize images on uploading which should help deal with expertise, storage, display,
> and emailing
> requirements.
>
> (for context, I manage the website for an all-volunteer automobile enthusiast club and write php code from time to time to
> manipulate the database for
> reports, etc.)
> --
> Bill Van Vlack
> '76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator;
> new owner a/o mid
> November 2015.
>
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1976 Palm Beach 455
 
Les Burt[1

>
> What name should we be using when we want to address you specifically?

the one you have just used.

Les Burt[1

> Not signing your messages leaves the impression that you prefer to remain somewhat anonymous.

Ive already discussed this elsewhere here, and it seems to be an issue with some so I wont go into it again. not in this thread anyway.

Les Burt[1

> Ranting about how another gmc contributor happens to phrase his thoughts, and being precise about your rant by quoting specifics and names is
> fine, but it sure doesn't impress me when you don't sign your own name to your rants. Some of us might like to know who we are communicating with
> on subjects of a somewhat personal nature, especially when the comments border on accusation.

I use the forum members chosen names, the names they have chosen to use here, perhaps if other members did not use personal names, I would not have
quoted them with a personal name? maybe that is also why so often things get taken so personal?

Les Burt[1

> Not trying to pick a fight here, just stating some of my own thoughts on how you interact in this group.

I get it, and appreciate that actually. its another hot topic here it seems, (names) perhaps a new thread is in order?

Im not into fighting, not without just cause anyway, especially over words, unless Im forced into signing something with them.
 
Nobody on this net is FORCING you to do anything. You are under no
obligation to participate here. The only AGENDA on this net is one of
helping out our fellow GMC lovers. All we ask is a simple introduction so
that we know who we are shaking hands with, inviting them into our homes
and rallies. Your choice, entirely. You decide.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403

> Les Burt[1

> >
> > What name should we be using when we want to address you specifically?
>
>
> the one you have just used.
>
> Les Burt[1

> > Not signing your messages leaves the impression that you prefer to
> remain somewhat anonymous.
>
>
> Ive already discussed this elsewhere here, and it seems to be an issue
> with some so I wont go into it again. not in this thread anyway.
>
> Les Burt[1

> > Ranting about how another gmc contributor happens to phrase his
> thoughts, and being precise about your rant by quoting specifics and names
> is
> > fine, but it sure doesn't impress me when you don't sign your own name
> to your rants. Some of us might like to know who we are communicating with
> > on subjects of a somewhat personal nature, especially when the comments
> border on accusation.
>
>
> I use the forum members chosen names, the names they have chosen to use
> here, perhaps if other members did not use personal names, I would not have
> quoted them with a personal name? maybe that is also why so often things
> get taken so personal?
>
>
> Les Burt[1

> > Not trying to pick a fight here, just stating some of my own thoughts on
> how you interact in this group.
>
>
> I get it, and appreciate that actually. its another hot topic here it
> seems, (names) perhaps a new thread is in order?
>
> Im not into fighting, not without just cause anyway, especially over
> words, unless Im forced into signing something with them.
>
>
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>
 
> Nobody on this net is FORCING you to do anything. You are under no
> obligation to participate here. The only AGENDA on this net is one of
> helping out our fellow GMC lovers. All we ask is a simple introduction so
> that we know who we are shaking hands with, inviting them into our homes
> and rallies. Your choice, entirely. You decide.

yeah, a new member intro sub forum would also be a good idea.
 
Seems to be a lot of important talk coming from Mr 2000. How would that sub
forum work with the email ?

This is a casual group of Very well informed people, myself excluded. They
are here to help; much like the Black List people. Everyone is doing the
best they can. If you don't want to tell us who you are, where you live, or
what GMC model you own .....you know what you can do. You can join us on
our terms or you can bugger off !

Mike in NS

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> > Nobody on this net is FORCING you to do anything. You are under no
> > obligation to participate here. The only AGENDA on this net is one of
> > helping out our fellow GMC lovers. All we ask is a simple introduction so
> > that we know who we are shaking hands with, inviting them into our homes
> > and rallies. Your choice, entirely. You decide.
>
>
> yeah, a new member intro sub forum would also be a good idea.
>
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1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
Antigonish, NS

Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
 
> Seems to be a lot of important talk coming from Mr 2000. How would that sub
> forum work with the email ?
>
> This is a casual group of Very well informed people, myself excluded. They
> are here to help; much like the Black List people. Everyone is doing the
> best they can. If you don't want to tell us who you are, where you live, or
> what GMC model you own .....you know what you can do. You can join us on
> our terms or you can bugger off !

Im no email expert but you'd have an option to receive notifications selectively Kingsly Coach.

do you write with everyone's hand and authority or speak for everyone or are those your own words? Im pretty sure the others here can speak, write,
and most importantly, think for themselves?

if you look through old threads here, this same game has been played out several times in the past. and you seem to be one of players in it every
time. why is that?

start a new thread on that subject and have the same old player pile on with you. this one aint about all that.
 
Justin,

I don't doubt that newer systems work better as many people have noted that, however, no one has volunteered to set up a new system.

Until someone does that's that! :-)

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Justin Brady
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 6:04 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net.

I think everyone already knows my feeling on the issue so I won't elaborate, but Rob that is what's so much better about a modern
forum!

All of those categories are already built in. If you have a question about brakes, or steering g, etc you post it in that subforum.
Then it's always there, not only for you who took the time to read and sort it in your email, but for EVERYONE who ever comes across
this forum looking for information about brakes.

It's great that you have it all sorted that way but how is the new guy supposed to find any of that? They can't. They have to post
here and ask a question that's already been answered 65 times.

It took me an hour the other day to find a message from Bob about which air filter he used for his efi stuff. I had to use about 10
search terms and ready through hundreds of results until I finally remembered the name of the manufacturer he mentioned and was able
to find it that way.

Facebook is even worse. You can't find something that you saw yesterday much less a year ago.

Posted from my phone so excuse the typos :)

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http://www.thegmcrv.com/
1976 Palm Beach 455

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If you believe it's a good idea why don't you set it up?

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of GMC2000
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 7:24 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Posting photos on the net.

yeah, a new member intro sub forum would also be a good idea.
 
Mike,
Didn't Jim get it right? Nobody is forcing him to do anything. Doesn't that include his choice to remain on the forum on his terms? If he does, he'll
have to provide a whole heck of a lot of value to get much response it seems to me, given the prevailing attitude. Really, 'join us on our terms,
bugger off, or keep doing what you're doing' seem to be his real options.

--
Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid
November 2015.
 
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