Onan 6K will not turn off.

gary m

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I need a little help finding out where the wire on terminal 11 on the control board should correctly be placed. PO has it on the right side of the
solenoid which causes the fuel pump to run when the battery is connected. This unit runs great now that the carb float is set right but will not cut
off unless you disconnect the battery.

I am not great at following wiring diagrams.

All help appreciated.
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77 Royale
455
Rear bath, SW Virginia
 
Are you talking about a second wire attached to terminal 11?

When people are trying to bypass an Onan board to see if they can start their Onan they often put a temporary jumper from terminal 11 to terminal 9.
This bypasses the board and allows the fuel pump to run and the coil to work. If your Onan will not work without the jumper but will start with the jumper it means that you have a bad control board.
You normally do not use a jumper from terminal 11.

Will your Onan shut off when you push the stop switch at the control panel but not at the switch inside?
Let me know and I’ll give you more information.

Emery Stora

>
> I need a little help finding out where the wire on terminal 11 on the control board should correctly be placed. PO has it on the right side of the
> solenoid which causes the fuel pump to run when the battery is connected. This unit runs great now that the carb float is set right but will not cut
> off unless you disconnect the battery.
>
> I am not great at following wiring diagrams.
>
> All help appreciated.
> --
> 77 Royale
> 455
> Rear bath, SW Virginia
>
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Gary,

Terminal 11 SHOULD be attached continuously to +12 VDC. But that voltage
should reach the ignition coil and the fuel pump only through the NO
contacts of relay K3. And those contacts should open when either STOP
switch is depressed, bypassing the coil of K3 and allowing the NO contacts
to open.

Unless something really strange has happened, you have a frozen K3 on your
control board.

Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, Troy-Bilt APU, etc., etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 12:59 PM Gary M via Gmclist
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> I need a little help finding out where the wire on terminal 11 on the
> control board should correctly be placed. PO has it on the right side of the
> solenoid which causes the fuel pump to run when the battery is connected.
> This unit runs great now that the carb float is set right but will not cut
> off unless you disconnect the battery.
>
> I am not great at following wiring diagrams.
>
> All help appreciated.
> --
> 77 Royale
> 455
> Rear bath, SW Virginia
>
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There is only one wire at terminal 11 and it was attached to the battery side of the solenoid. I have no problems starting the unit with the switch
but it will not shut off until I unhook the battery. When I hook the battery up it turns on the fuel pump before I touch the start switch.
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77 Royale
455
Rear bath, SW Virginia
 
Gary,

I think you'll find a short to ground in the Start wire (Green) to the
remote switch. To verify that WAG, disconnect the 4-pin connector near the
control board and measure the resistance of that lead to ground.

Ken H.

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 11:22 PM Gary M via Gmclist
wrote:

> There is only one wire at terminal 11 and it was attached to the battery
> side of the solenoid. I have no problems starting the unit with the switch
> but it will not shut off until I unhook the battery. When I hook the
> battery up it turns on the fuel pump before I touch the start switch.
> --
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> 455
> Rear bath, SW Virginia
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Ken,

This unit is a Royale and there are no colored wires going to the control panel, all are off white looking. In the operator's manual it shows that the
#3 terminal is the start wire. I get no reading when testing this wire to ground. I do get 15.6 to 19.8 when testing the #1 terminal wire to ground.

If there is a short in the start wire for the remote if I leave the remote wires off and start the generator it should turn off with the switch on the
generator itself, correct?

I do recall that when I bought this unit the PO said he burnt a wire behind the starter when he tried welding the starter bracket that had broke. That
bracket and starter bushing have been replaced after I purchased it. The wire that he repaired was going to the choke.
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77 Royale
455
Rear bath, SW Virginia
 
Gary,

It sounds as if you have eliminated a short in the starter wire as your
problem, but you're right, starting the Onan with the plug disconnected
would be a double check on my WAG.

You may want to take a look at the Onan wiring diagram I re-drew years ago
for better clarity/understandability:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/kh-onan-wiring-170725/p63486-kh-onan-wiring-170725.html

If you look down the right side of that diagram, you'll see Blue (Bu),
Green (Gn), Orange (Or), and Grey (Gy) wire labels. I should have marked
the connector for those 4 wires, because that's the ones you're
disconnecting. As you can see, when that's disconnected, there is no
longer any connection to the Ignition and Fuel Pump except through the NO
contacts of K3. That seems to confirm that those contacts are welded
shut. You might try tapping on its case, or even, as a last resort,
removing its cover to determine whether its points can open.

HTH,

Ken H.

On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 9:50 AM Gary M via Gmclist
wrote:

> Ken,
>
> This unit is a Royale and there are no colored wires going to the control
> panel, all are off white looking. In the operator's manual it shows that the
> #3 terminal is the start wire. I get no reading when testing this wire to
> ground. I do get 15.6 to 19.8 when testing the #1 terminal wire to ground.
>
> If there is a short in the start wire for the remote if I leave the remote
> wires off and start the generator it should turn off with the switch on the
> generator itself, correct?
>
> I do recall that when I bought this unit the PO said he burnt a wire
> behind the starter when he tried welding the starter bracket that had
> broke. That
> bracket and starter bushing have been replaced after I purchased it. The
> wire that he repaired was going to the choke.
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> 455
> Rear bath, SW Virginia
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Ken,

It does look like I need to order a new board for it. I crossed terminal #1 and #2 with remote terminals unhooked and it still would not shut down. It
currently has a Flight Systems board on it. What would be your recommendation on which board to replace with?

Thanks for your help!
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77 Royale
455
Rear bath, SW Virginia
 
https://www.gmcrvparts.com/product-p/gm28-28.044c.1.htm

On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 8:31 AM Gary M via Gmclist
wrote:

> Ken,
>
> It does look like I need to order a new board for it. I crossed terminal
> #1 and #2 with remote terminals unhooked and it still would not shut down.
> It
> currently has a Flight Systems board on it. What would be your
> recommendation on which board to replace with?
>
> Thanks for your help!
> --
> 77 Royale
> 455
> Rear bath, SW Virginia
>
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Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
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Just to be sure about your test: You say you connected terminals 1 & 2,
but I don't have any reference telling me the connection of those terminals
so I don't know the result. I do know that if you disconnect the 4-pin
plug, the switch on the control board should remain effective for both
starting and starting -- barring a problem on the board.

I have no experience with the Flight Systems board, but I've always heard
good things about them and the company's support. I'd talk to them about
your current board and problem. For that matter, I haven't really had any
Onan experience since I replaced mine with a Generac in '07 -- and that
with a TroyBilt in '09 (which is still running flawlessly, 'tho' noisily).

Ken H.

On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 11:31 AM Gary M via Gmclist
wrote:

> Ken,
>
> It does look like I need to order a new board for it. I crossed terminal
> #1 and #2 with remote terminals unhooked and it still would not shut down.
> It
> currently has a Flight Systems board on it. What would be your
> recommendation on which board to replace with?
>
> Thanks for your help!
> --
> 77 Royale
> 455
> Rear bath, SW Virginia
>
>
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Sir: IIRC the S-1 (starter solenoid) has a 12volt when cranking only wire going to the fuel pump and ignition to initially start the Onan. If the PO
has this wire on the wrong terminal of S-1 it will stay running?? I have seen the S-1 solenoid go bad internally and not give 12v to the small
terminal while engaging starter. The repair is to replace solenoid or move the wire off the small terminal to the big 12volt output side going to
starter. This may not be your problem but is something to check since PO did repair a wire behind starter.

> Ken,
>
> This unit is a Royale and there are no colored wires going to the control panel, all are off white looking. In the operator's manual it shows that
> the #3 terminal is the start wire. I get no reading when testing this wire to ground. I do get 15.6 to 19.8 when testing the #1 terminal wire to
> ground.
>
> If there is a short in the start wire for the remote if I leave the remote wires off and start the generator it should turn off with the switch on
> the generator itself, correct?
>
> I do recall that when I bought this unit the PO said he burnt a wire behind the starter when he tried welding the starter bracket that had broke.
> That bracket and starter bushing have been replaced after I purchased it. The wire that he repaired was going to the choke.

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C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee