Alright and i hear you.
So the last set of used "modern style" windows for the whole coach i saw for sale they were asking 6K. Now i like the look of the new windows but at 6
plus thousand i really like my originals.
So what are the solutions then: [in my mind anyways]
A- you keep looking patiently and find them one at a time etc with the understanding that it wont happen soon and don't care about the cost
B- as you stated....figure out a new way to get air into the coach to which i have seen a couple solution....not my preferred method of doing
things...as a mechanic and fabricator i'll never cut holes in a firewall to bring air into a passenger compartment.[think about the "fire" part]
C- have someone fabricate something that you envision
So on point C:
How about having someone make you a set of electric windows that go up/down like a modern car? In todays age of skilled custom fabricators its not a
stretch really. If you put it into perspective it's really just two side channels, a top channel and a bottom. [which we need anyways for
strength/support for the windshield]....so think car door minus the hinges as an example. The glass could maybe be be sourced and cut from perhaps a
modern highway coach flush mount side window or a transport truck with the correct curvature. I believe their is enough space in the lower window area
for the guts of the window regulator.
Would it be worth it? What would you get out of it? Well that's for you to decide but i'm going to fathom, unless you do it yourself, you'd be into it
for well over 1500.00 and it probably will net you exactly what happens with a modern car...lots of wind noise when its open but little air flow but
i'm not an aerodynamics engineer.
So this puts us back to "point C"..... how about pulling it from the front roof section just were the clearance lights are.....think roof scoop used
on Class One GTP cars and rally cars. It can be blended in nicely, look modern, doesn't have to be big etc...heck if you dont mind loosing a little
bit of the space above the sun visors you could even make it raise and lower into the roof and you could even use the cut roof piece as the scoop.
[think 1930's pickup truck with the cowl vent you would pop up].
Guess my point is.... their are no "off the shelf" "cheap" "easy" solutions to get more outside air into the cockpit area or have that "arm out the
window" driving thing that use to be popular before modern car design has come about....in my opinion, if thats what you want, you'll be fabricating
it.
> The wings are installed as directed, but it not a real issue. the real issue is getting sufficient air flow though a cat door that was really a
> design failure. in is in the wrong location, and in an akward location to boot.
>
> I am finding on this coach that after weeding though all the information you have to pick and choose those items that seem to fit each individual
> coach owner best. the concept of redirecting wind via a plastic scoop though an most insane small opening a cat would not use to walk though is
> insane thinking. now are the roof hatches open yes , in the AC field one knows that you can only fill as much air in a room as will fit unless you
> have an opening to exhaust or one install and exhaust fan. so It goes to say you cant get air in a coach after it is pressurized unless there is a
> place for it to escape. that said the design of the cat window is BS and a GM fail and you can only get so much air in a 6 x 6 hole.
>
> option , cut to holes in the floor to bring infresh air via an air scoop on the front of the grille. Is hacking into the coach the real answer
> that should have been engineered in from the beginning? we should have better options. this coach back in the day was the premier coach and today
> still is in my opinion. we should have solutions to be on par with our coaches design. A cat door for a window is not a design solution. I am tired
> of hacking on my coach. I mean the average cost of any repair or upgrade on the coach is $1500.00
>
> so are there is no solution any more to have a real window?
--
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
So the last set of used "modern style" windows for the whole coach i saw for sale they were asking 6K. Now i like the look of the new windows but at 6
plus thousand i really like my originals.
So what are the solutions then: [in my mind anyways]
A- you keep looking patiently and find them one at a time etc with the understanding that it wont happen soon and don't care about the cost
B- as you stated....figure out a new way to get air into the coach to which i have seen a couple solution....not my preferred method of doing
things...as a mechanic and fabricator i'll never cut holes in a firewall to bring air into a passenger compartment.[think about the "fire" part]
C- have someone fabricate something that you envision
So on point C:
How about having someone make you a set of electric windows that go up/down like a modern car? In todays age of skilled custom fabricators its not a
stretch really. If you put it into perspective it's really just two side channels, a top channel and a bottom. [which we need anyways for
strength/support for the windshield]....so think car door minus the hinges as an example. The glass could maybe be be sourced and cut from perhaps a
modern highway coach flush mount side window or a transport truck with the correct curvature. I believe their is enough space in the lower window area
for the guts of the window regulator.
Would it be worth it? What would you get out of it? Well that's for you to decide but i'm going to fathom, unless you do it yourself, you'd be into it
for well over 1500.00 and it probably will net you exactly what happens with a modern car...lots of wind noise when its open but little air flow but
i'm not an aerodynamics engineer.
So this puts us back to "point C"..... how about pulling it from the front roof section just were the clearance lights are.....think roof scoop used
on Class One GTP cars and rally cars. It can be blended in nicely, look modern, doesn't have to be big etc...heck if you dont mind loosing a little
bit of the space above the sun visors you could even make it raise and lower into the roof and you could even use the cut roof piece as the scoop.
[think 1930's pickup truck with the cowl vent you would pop up].
Guess my point is.... their are no "off the shelf" "cheap" "easy" solutions to get more outside air into the cockpit area or have that "arm out the
window" driving thing that use to be popular before modern car design has come about....in my opinion, if thats what you want, you'll be fabricating
it.
> The wings are installed as directed, but it not a real issue. the real issue is getting sufficient air flow though a cat door that was really a
> design failure. in is in the wrong location, and in an akward location to boot.
>
> I am finding on this coach that after weeding though all the information you have to pick and choose those items that seem to fit each individual
> coach owner best. the concept of redirecting wind via a plastic scoop though an most insane small opening a cat would not use to walk though is
> insane thinking. now are the roof hatches open yes , in the AC field one knows that you can only fill as much air in a room as will fit unless you
> have an opening to exhaust or one install and exhaust fan. so It goes to say you cant get air in a coach after it is pressurized unless there is a
> place for it to escape. that said the design of the cat window is BS and a GM fail and you can only get so much air in a 6 x 6 hole.
>
> option , cut to holes in the floor to bring infresh air via an air scoop on the front of the grille. Is hacking into the coach the real answer
> that should have been engineered in from the beginning? we should have better options. this coach back in the day was the premier coach and today
> still is in my opinion. we should have solutions to be on par with our coaches design. A cat door for a window is not a design solution. I am tired
> of hacking on my coach. I mean the average cost of any repair or upgrade on the coach is $1500.00
>
> so are there is no solution any more to have a real window?
--
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
