Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm?

SOLVED!!!

Thanks everyone for all the suggestions and help. The annoying buzzer was
easily found once I was able to un-attache the dash cover and expose the
wiring. The buzzer appeared to be wired to the "Low Fuel" TellTale light
using very thin wires. The buzzer was exactly where I suspected it to be;
pressed directly against the plastic shroud carrying air from the
HVAC system, which was a perfect resonator, amplifying the noise to an
uncomfortable level.

I cut and insulated one of the wires leading to the buzzer, and that
immediately killed the offensive gremlin. The Fuel Gauge (and all other
instrumentation) still displays correctly. Those of you that reported that
our coaches have only a low fuel warning light, but do not have a low fuel
buzzer were correct. This small but loud buzzer was clearly a PO
modification.

We will be taking the coach out for a run this weekend. It should be just
far enough to lower the gas tanks to the point that should trigger the low
fuel warning light, as it has done on those rare occasions when stretching
out the miles before filling up with fuel, seeking better fuel pricing
further on down the road. These past experiences have set off both the
buzzer and the warning light. It is interesting that this current
malfunctioning only affected the buzzer, without the ever turning on the
yellow Low Fuel TellTale warning light.

I'll report back on how lowering the fuel on this upcoming trip affects the
warning lights.

Special thanks go out to Steve Wienstock, Carl Stouffer, and Jerry near
Virginia Beach, for explaining how to get the dash off. And yes, someone
had already cut away the material in the upper left corner, making the
reinstall a piece of cake!

Vern

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 8:50 PM Mike Kelley via Gmclist <

> Vern:
> Oops - follows should read following!
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Vern Crawford via Gmclist <

> >
> > Thanks Carl,
> >
> > I was in town today, and by the time I returned home it was both too
> late,
> > and the weather too cold to want to deal with the coach issue. 'Tis time
> > for homemade chicken soup and bread.
> >
> > Tomorrow I shall follow your and other great GMCers advice. I'll again
> > tackle removal of the dome covering the wiring, using gentle but firm
> force
> > to get it off and out of the way. I'm certain of "where" the blasted
> > buzzer is, and that will clear the way for me to either demolish the
> noisy
> > rascal, or to be able to trace wiring revealing clues to what sets the
> > trigger, and take other corrective action.
> >
> > With any good luck at all, my next post to this thread should be able to
> > report on my findings and resolution to the pesky gremlin.
> >
> > With fingers crossed,
> > Vern
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 7:24 PM Carl Stouffer via Gmclist <

> >
> >> Vern,
> >>
> >> The back dash cover kind of snaps into a channel on the dash donut and
> >> clips into slots at the front near the windshield. Once you get that
> >> removed,
> >> it should be easy to locate the offending buzzer and disable it.
> >>
> >> Once you get it off, cut it like the picture Steve shared (above) if it
> >> has not already been done. Makes it a lot easier to remove/replace
> whenever
> >> you need to get behind the gauges/controls, etc.
> >> --
> >> Carl Stouffer
> >> '75 ex Palm Beach
> >> Tucson, AZ.
> >> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive,
> >> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American
> >> Eagles,
> >> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> GMCnet mailing list
> >> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Vern Crawford (and Lenore Langsdorf)
> > 155 JJ Lane
> > Center Point, TX 78010
> > (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
> > (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
> > VernCrawford
> > LenoreLangsdorf
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--
Vern Crawford (and Lenore Langsdorf)
155 JJ Lane
Center Point, TX 78010
(618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
(830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
VernCrawford
LenoreLangsdorf
 
You might want to have a spare can of gas.
Just in case.
--
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
 
Mike H. & others:
My experience w/ my 28’ (2’ stretch) is that it takes at least 4 gals to be able to restart after running out of fuel! Just so you know!
Walked about 1/2 mile w/ a 2 gal can twice just so I could pass this info on - don’t ya know!!!
Mike/The Corvair a holic

Sent from my iPhone

>
> You might want to have a spare can of gas.
> Just in case.
> --
> 1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
>
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Great to hear Vern!

Sully
Bellevue wa

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:02 PM Vern Crawford via Gmclist <

> SOLVED!!!
>
> Thanks everyone for all the suggestions and help. The annoying buzzer was
> easily found once I was able to un-attache the dash cover and expose the
> wiring. The buzzer appeared to be wired to the "Low Fuel" TellTale light
> using very thin wires. The buzzer was exactly where I suspected it to be;
> pressed directly against the plastic shroud carrying air from the
> HVAC system, which was a perfect resonator, amplifying the noise to an
> uncomfortable level.
>
> I cut and insulated one of the wires leading to the buzzer, and that
> immediately killed the offensive gremlin. The Fuel Gauge (and all other
> instrumentation) still displays correctly. Those of you that reported that
> our coaches have only a low fuel warning light, but do not have a low fuel
> buzzer were correct. This small but loud buzzer was clearly a PO
> modification.
>
> We will be taking the coach out for a run this weekend. It should be just
> far enough to lower the gas tanks to the point that should trigger the low
> fuel warning light, as it has done on those rare occasions when stretching
> out the miles before filling up with fuel, seeking better fuel pricing
> further on down the road. These past experiences have set off both the
> buzzer and the warning light. It is interesting that this current
> malfunctioning only affected the buzzer, without the ever turning on the
> yellow Low Fuel TellTale warning light.
>
> I'll report back on how lowering the fuel on this upcoming trip affects the
> warning lights.
>
> Special thanks go out to Steve Wienstock, Carl Stouffer, and Jerry near
> Virginia Beach, for explaining how to get the dash off. And yes, someone
> had already cut away the material in the upper left corner, making the
> reinstall a piece of cake!
>
> Vern
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 8:50 PM Mike Kelley via Gmclist <

>
> > Vern:
> > Oops - follows should read following!
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Nov 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Vern Crawford via Gmclist <

> > >
> > > Thanks Carl,
> > >
> > > I was in town today, and by the time I returned home it was both too
> > late,
> > > and the weather too cold to want to deal with the coach issue. 'Tis
> time
> > > for homemade chicken soup and bread.
> > >
> > > Tomorrow I shall follow your and other great GMCers advice. I'll again
> > > tackle removal of the dome covering the wiring, using gentle but firm
> > force
> > > to get it off and out of the way. I'm certain of "where" the blasted
> > > buzzer is, and that will clear the way for me to either demolish the
> > noisy
> > > rascal, or to be able to trace wiring revealing clues to what sets the
> > > trigger, and take other corrective action.
> > >
> > > With any good luck at all, my next post to this thread should be able
> to
> > > report on my findings and resolution to the pesky gremlin.
> > >
> > > With fingers crossed,
> > > Vern
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 7:24 PM Carl Stouffer via Gmclist <

> > >
> > >> Vern,
> > >>
> > >> The back dash cover kind of snaps into a channel on the dash donut and
> > >> clips into slots at the front near the windshield. Once you get that
> > >> removed,
> > >> it should be easy to locate the offending buzzer and disable it.
> > >>
> > >> Once you get it off, cut it like the picture Steve shared (above) if
> it
> > >> has not already been done. Makes it a lot easier to remove/replace
> > whenever
> > >> you need to get behind the gauges/controls, etc.
> > >> --
> > >> Carl Stouffer
> > >> '75 ex Palm Beach
> > >> Tucson, AZ.
> > >> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final
> drive,
> > >> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American
> > >> Eagles,
> > >> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> GMCnet mailing list
> > >> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> > >> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Vern Crawford (and Lenore Langsdorf)
> > > 155 JJ Lane
> > > Center Point, TX 78010
> > > (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
> > > (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
> > > VernCrawford
> > > LenoreLangsdorf
> > > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> Vern Crawford (and Lenore Langsdorf)
> 155 JJ Lane
> Center Point, TX 78010
> (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
> (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
> VernCrawford
> LenoreLangsdorf
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Thanks for the warning. In the past the buzzer and warning light would
come on at just under 1/4 indicated on the gauge. I’ll carry 5 gallons
extra just in case.

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 8:03 PM Todd Sullivan via Gmclist <

> Great to hear Vern!
>
> Sully
> Bellevue wa
>
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:02 PM Vern Crawford via Gmclist <

>
> > SOLVED!!!
> >
> > Thanks everyone for all the suggestions and help. The annoying buzzer
> was
> > easily found once I was able to un-attache the dash cover and expose the
> > wiring. The buzzer appeared to be wired to the "Low Fuel" TellTale light
> > using very thin wires. The buzzer was exactly where I suspected it to
> be;
> > pressed directly against the plastic shroud carrying air from the
> > HVAC system, which was a perfect resonator, amplifying the noise to an
> > uncomfortable level.
> >
> > I cut and insulated one of the wires leading to the buzzer, and that
> > immediately killed the offensive gremlin. The Fuel Gauge (and all other
> > instrumentation) still displays correctly. Those of you that reported
> that
> > our coaches have only a low fuel warning light, but do not have a low
> fuel
> > buzzer were correct. This small but loud buzzer was clearly a PO
> > modification.
> >
> > We will be taking the coach out for a run this weekend. It should be
> just
> > far enough to lower the gas tanks to the point that should trigger the
> low
> > fuel warning light, as it has done on those rare occasions when
> stretching
> > out the miles before filling up with fuel, seeking better fuel pricing
> > further on down the road. These past experiences have set off both the
> > buzzer and the warning light. It is interesting that this current
> > malfunctioning only affected the buzzer, without the ever turning on the
> > yellow Low Fuel TellTale warning light.
> >
> > I'll report back on how lowering the fuel on this upcoming trip affects
> the
> > warning lights.
> >
> > Special thanks go out to Steve Wienstock, Carl Stouffer, and Jerry near
> > Virginia Beach, for explaining how to get the dash off. And yes, someone
> > had already cut away the material in the upper left corner, making the
> > reinstall a piece of cake!
> >
> > Vern
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 8:50 PM Mike Kelley via Gmclist <

> >
> > > Vern:
> > > Oops - follows should read following!
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Nov 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Vern Crawford via Gmclist <

> > > >
> > > > Thanks Carl,
> > > >
> > > > I was in town today, and by the time I returned home it was both too
> > > late,
> > > > and the weather too cold to want to deal with the coach issue. 'Tis
> > time
> > > > for homemade chicken soup and bread.
> > > >
> > > > Tomorrow I shall follow your and other great GMCers advice. I'll
> again
> > > > tackle removal of the dome covering the wiring, using gentle but firm
> > > force
> > > > to get it off and out of the way. I'm certain of "where" the blasted
> > > > buzzer is, and that will clear the way for me to either demolish the
> > > noisy
> > > > rascal, or to be able to trace wiring revealing clues to what sets
> the
> > > > trigger, and take other corrective action.
> > > >
> > > > With any good luck at all, my next post to this thread should be
> able
> > to
> > > > report on my findings and resolution to the pesky gremlin.
> > > >
> > > > With fingers crossed,
> > > > Vern
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 7:24 PM Carl Stouffer via Gmclist <

> > > >
> > > >> Vern,
> > > >>
> > > >> The back dash cover kind of snaps into a channel on the dash donut
> and
> > > >> clips into slots at the front near the windshield. Once you get
> that
> > > >> removed,
> > > >> it should be easy to locate the offending buzzer and disable it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Once you get it off, cut it like the picture Steve shared (above) if
> > it
> > > >> has not already been done. Makes it a lot easier to remove/replace
> > > whenever
> > > >> you need to get behind the gauges/controls, etc.
> > > >> --
> > > >> Carl Stouffer
> > > >> '75 ex Palm Beach
> > > >> Tucson, AZ.
> > > >> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final
> > drive,
> > > >> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X
> https://www.google.com/maps/search/zi+knuckles%2Fhubs,+Dodge+Truck+16%22+X+?entry=gmail&source=g 8"
> front wheels, Rear American
> > > >> Eagles,
> > > >> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> GMCnet mailing list
> > > >> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> > > >> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Vern Crawford (and Lenore Langsdorf)
> > > > 155 JJ Lane
> > > > Center Point, TX 78010
> > > > (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
> > > > (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
> > > > VernCrawford
> > > > LenoreLangsdorf
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > GMCnet mailing list
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> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Vern Crawford (and Lenore Langsdorf)
> > 155 JJ Lane
> > Center Point, TX 78010
> > (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
> > (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
> > VernCrawford
> > LenoreLangsdorf
> > _______________________________________________
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--
Vern Crawford (and Lenore Langsdorf)
155 JJ Lane
Center Point, TX 78010
(618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
(830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
VernCrawford
LenoreLangsdorf
 
Don't know why you insist upon driving around with 0 gas in your coach. Is
there a reason for it, or do you just like the excersize from lugging heavy
cans of gas beside busy highways, and driving a stumbling running coach. I
sure don't understand it. What am I missing here ?
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 8:02 PM Vern Crawford via Gmclist <

> Thanks for the warning. In the past the buzzer and warning light would
> come on at just under 1/4 indicated on the gauge. I’ll carry 5 gallons
> extra just in case.
>
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 8:03 PM Todd Sullivan via Gmclist <

>
> > Great to hear Vern!
> >
> > Sully
> > Bellevue wa
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:02 PM Vern Crawford via Gmclist <

> >
> > > SOLVED!!!
> > >
> > > Thanks everyone for all the suggestions and help. The annoying buzzer
> > was
> > > easily found once I was able to un-attache the dash cover and expose
> the
> > > wiring. The buzzer appeared to be wired to the "Low Fuel" TellTale
> light
> > > using very thin wires. The buzzer was exactly where I suspected it to
> > be;
> > > pressed directly against the plastic shroud carrying air from the
> > > HVAC system, which was a perfect resonator, amplifying the noise to an
> > > uncomfortable level.
> > >
> > > I cut and insulated one of the wires leading to the buzzer, and that
> > > immediately killed the offensive gremlin. The Fuel Gauge (and all
> other
> > > instrumentation) still displays correctly. Those of you that reported
> > that
> > > our coaches have only a low fuel warning light, but do not have a low
> > fuel
> > > buzzer were correct. This small but loud buzzer was clearly a PO
> > > modification.
> > >
> > > We will be taking the coach out for a run this weekend. It should be
> > just
> > > far enough to lower the gas tanks to the point that should trigger the
> > low
> > > fuel warning light, as it has done on those rare occasions when
> > stretching
> > > out the miles before filling up with fuel, seeking better fuel pricing
> > > further on down the road. These past experiences have set off both the
> > > buzzer and the warning light. It is interesting that this current
> > > malfunctioning only affected the buzzer, without the ever turning on
> the
> > > yellow Low Fuel TellTale warning light.
> > >
> > > I'll report back on how lowering the fuel on this upcoming trip affects
> > the
> > > warning lights.
> > >
> > > Special thanks go out to Steve Wienstock, Carl Stouffer, and Jerry near
> > > Virginia Beach, for explaining how to get the dash off. And yes,
> someone
> > > had already cut away the material in the upper left corner, making the
> > > reinstall a piece of cake!
> > >
> > > Vern
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 8:50 PM Mike Kelley via Gmclist <

> > >
> > > > Vern:
> > > > Oops - follows should read following!
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Nov 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Vern Crawford via Gmclist <

> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks Carl,
> > > > >
> > > > > I was in town today, and by the time I returned home it was both
> too
> > > > late,
> > > > > and the weather too cold to want to deal with the coach issue.
> 'Tis
> > > time
> > > > > for homemade chicken soup and bread.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tomorrow I shall follow your and other great GMCers advice. I'll
> > again
> > > > > tackle removal of the dome covering the wiring, using gentle but
> firm
> > > > force
> > > > > to get it off and out of the way. I'm certain of "where" the
> blasted
> > > > > buzzer is, and that will clear the way for me to either demolish
> the
> > > > noisy
> > > > > rascal, or to be able to trace wiring revealing clues to what sets
> > the
> > > > > trigger, and take other corrective action.
> > > > >
> > > > > With any good luck at all, my next post to this thread should be
> > able
> > > to
> > > > > report on my findings and resolution to the pesky gremlin.
> > > > >
> > > > > With fingers crossed,
> > > > > Vern
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 7:24 PM Carl Stouffer via Gmclist <

> > > > >
> > > > >> Vern,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The back dash cover kind of snaps into a channel on the dash donut
> > and
> > > > >> clips into slots at the front near the windshield. Once you get
> > that
> > > > >> removed,
> > > > >> it should be easy to locate the offending buzzer and disable it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Once you get it off, cut it like the picture Steve shared (above)
> if
> > > it
> > > > >> has not already been done. Makes it a lot easier to
> remove/replace
> > > > whenever
> > > > >> you need to get behind the gauges/controls, etc.
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Carl Stouffer
> > > > >> '75 ex Palm Beach
> > > > >> Tucson, AZ.
> > > > >> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final
> > > drive,
> > > > >> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X
> > <
> https://www.google.com/maps/search/zi+knuckles%2Fhubs,+Dodge+Truck+16%22+X+?entry=gmail&source=g
> >8"
> > front wheels, Rear American
> > > > >> Eagles,
> > > > >> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
> > > > >>
> > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > >> GMCnet mailing list
> > > > >> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> > > > >> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Vern Crawford (and Lenore Langsdorf)
> > > > > 155 JJ Lane
> > > > > Center Point, TX 78010
> > > > > (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
> > > > > (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
> > > > > VernCrawford
> > > > > LenoreLangsdorf
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Vern Crawford (and Lenore Langsdorf)
> > > 155 JJ Lane
> > > Center Point, TX 78010
> > > (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
> > > (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
> > > VernCrawford
> > > LenoreLangsdorf
> > > _______________________________________________
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> --
> Vern Crawford (and Lenore Langsdorf)
> 155 JJ Lane
> Center Point, TX 78010
> (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
> (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
> VernCrawford
> LenoreLangsdorf
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James H.:
Well - it was not on purpose and I am not a masochist. My fuel gage read 1/2 full at the 200 mile mark of a cross country trip - was going to buy fuel at 250 miles - Surprize!!!
Mike/The Corvair a holic

Sent from my iPhone

>
> Don't know why you insist upon driving around with 0 gas in your coach. Is
> there a reason for it, or do you just like the excersize from lugging heavy
> cans of gas beside busy highways, and driving a stumbling running coach. I
> sure don't understand it. What am I missing here ?
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 8:02 PM Vern Crawford via Gmclist <

>
>> Thanks for the warning. In the past the buzzer and warning light would
>> come on at just under 1/4 indicated on the gauge. I’ll carry 5 gallons
>> extra just in case.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 8:03 PM Todd Sullivan via Gmclist <

>>
>>> Great to hear Vern!
>>>
>>> Sully
>>> Bellevue wa
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:02 PM Vern Crawford via Gmclist <

>>>
>>>> SOLVED!!!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone for all the suggestions and help. The annoying buzzer
>>> was
>>>> easily found once I was able to un-attache the dash cover and expose
>> the
>>>> wiring. The buzzer appeared to be wired to the "Low Fuel" TellTale
>> light
>>>> using very thin wires. The buzzer was exactly where I suspected it to
>>> be;
>>>> pressed directly against the plastic shroud carrying air from the
>>>> HVAC system, which was a perfect resonator, amplifying the noise to an
>>>> uncomfortable level.
>>>>
>>>> I cut and insulated one of the wires leading to the buzzer, and that
>>>> immediately killed the offensive gremlin. The Fuel Gauge (and all
>> other
>>>> instrumentation) still displays correctly. Those of you that reported
>>> that
>>>> our coaches have only a low fuel warning light, but do not have a low
>>> fuel
>>>> buzzer were correct. This small but loud buzzer was clearly a PO
>>>> modification.
>>>>
>>>> We will be taking the coach out for a run this weekend. It should be
>>> just
>>>> far enough to lower the gas tanks to the point that should trigger the
>>> low
>>>> fuel warning light, as it has done on those rare occasions when
>>> stretching
>>>> out the miles before filling up with fuel, seeking better fuel pricing
>>>> further on down the road. These past experiences have set off both the
>>>> buzzer and the warning light. It is interesting that this current
>>>> malfunctioning only affected the buzzer, without the ever turning on
>> the
>>>> yellow Low Fuel TellTale warning light.
>>>>
>>>> I'll report back on how lowering the fuel on this upcoming trip affects
>>> the
>>>> warning lights.
>>>>
>>>> Special thanks go out to Steve Wienstock, Carl Stouffer, and Jerry near
>>>> Virginia Beach, for explaining how to get the dash off. And yes,
>> someone
>>>> had already cut away the material in the upper left corner, making the
>>>> reinstall a piece of cake!
>>>>
>>>> Vern
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 8:50 PM Mike Kelley via Gmclist <

>>>>
>>>>> Vern:
>>>>> Oops - follows should read following!
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Vern Crawford via Gmclist <

>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Carl,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was in town today, and by the time I returned home it was both
>> too
>>>>> late,
>>>>>> and the weather too cold to want to deal with the coach issue.
>> 'Tis
>>>> time
>>>>>> for homemade chicken soup and bread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tomorrow I shall follow your and other great GMCers advice. I'll
>>> again
>>>>>> tackle removal of the dome covering the wiring, using gentle but
>> firm
>>>>> force
>>>>>> to get it off and out of the way. I'm certain of "where" the
>> blasted
>>>>>> buzzer is, and that will clear the way for me to either demolish
>> the
>>>>> noisy
>>>>>> rascal, or to be able to trace wiring revealing clues to what sets
>>> the
>>>>>> trigger, and take other corrective action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With any good luck at all, my next post to this thread should be
>>> able
>>>> to
>>>>>> report on my findings and resolution to the pesky gremlin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With fingers crossed,
>>>>>> Vern
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 7:24 PM Carl Stouffer via Gmclist <

>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vern,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The back dash cover kind of snaps into a channel on the dash donut
>>> and
>>>>>>> clips into slots at the front near the windshield. Once you get
>>> that
>>>>>>> removed,
>>>>>>> it should be easy to locate the offending buzzer and disable it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once you get it off, cut it like the picture Steve shared (above)
>> if
>>>> it
>>>>>>> has not already been done. Makes it a lot easier to
>> remove/replace
>>>>> whenever
>>>>>>> you need to get behind the gauges/controls, etc.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Carl Stouffer
>>>>>>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>>>>>>> Tucson, AZ.
>>>>>>> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final
>>>> drive,
>>>>>>> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X
>>> <
>> https://www.google.com/maps/search/zi+knuckles%2Fhubs,+Dodge+Truck+16%22+X+?entry=gmail&source=g
>>> 8"
>>> front wheels, Rear American
>>>>>>> Eagles,
>>>>>>> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Vern Crawford (and Lenore Langsdorf)
>>>>>> 155 JJ Lane
>>>>>> Center Point, TX 78010
>>>>>> (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
>>>>>> (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
>>>>>> VernCrawford
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>>>> 155 JJ Lane
>>>> Center Point, TX 78010
>>>> (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
>>>> (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
>>>> VernCrawford
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>> 155 JJ Lane
>> Center Point, TX 78010
>> (618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
>> (830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
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> Don't know why you insist upon driving around with 0 gas in your coach. Is there a reason for it, or do you just like the excersize from lugging
> heavy cans of gas beside busy highways, and driving a stumbling running coach. I sure don't understand it.
> What am I missing here ?
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon

Jim,

While I understand your point, there are two cases here for really understanding the fuel inventory that you might be missing.

Fuel inventory management is something that the pilots of both water craft and aircraft need to be good at. The walk to a fuel stop is not a good
option.

First off, Vern is native to Texas. The rural road speed limit is 70 and it can be half a tank to the nearest good fuel stop.

The second is pretty specific to easterners, things can vary a lot between states. There are some states and localities where fuel costs are
significantly higher. So much so that by making the correct fuel stop, we have often reduced the fuel cost by 10 dollars (and this is not counting
Kroger Fuel points and Sam's Clubs). One can sometimes cross a state line and see fuel prices drop by 20¢/gallon. When the expected pick up is 50
gallons, that could add up to a free 50 miles.

If one knows his fuel rates and inventory and the navigator is running Street Atlas or Strips and Treets, one can easily and pretty accurately project
the next fuel stop and then with the help of Gas Buddy, he can make good choices. This is just one reason to carry wire (have mobile internet) and a
good navigator in the other seat.

While I avoid it when traveling in remote and unknown areas, on more than a few occasions, we have been able to take on in excess of 50 gallons.

Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
my 28 takes more than 5 to pick up and go and you know how I know that.

jofarr
Soddy daisy tn

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Kelley via Gmclist
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To:
Cc: Mike Kelley
Sent: 11/14/2019 8:23:58 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Help! What Could Cause Unidentified LOUD Alarm?
________________________________________________________________________________

Mike H. & others:
My experience w/ my 28’ (2’ stretch) is that it takes at least 4 gals to be able to restart after running out of fuel! Just so you know!
Walked about 1/2 mile w/ a 2 gal can twice just so I could pass this info on - don’t ya know!!!
Mike/The Corvair a holic

Sent from my iPhone

>
> You might want to have a spare can of gas.
> Just in case.
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Your points are well taken. Texas is big. Been there enough times to agree
with that fact. Economic fuel stops are few and far between. I drive 65 -70
most of anytime I can. My 403, on a good day, lightly laden, might approach
9 - 10 mpg on what passes for gasoline these days on fairly flat land with
no headwinds. So, 50 gallons of gasoline at today's price at Costco is $3.09 x
50 gallons comes out to $154.50 of my retirement money. This is how I do my
fuel management.
Many times, here in God's Country, we drive more than 600 miles one
way to a rally. I belong to 4 different clubs, and we go to many rallies
throughout the year.
I always drive from my house to Salem, and fill my tanks as early in
the day as i can. I click the fill hose off when I can hear gas coming up
the filler neck. It sometimes will gurgle a bit and recede down the neck. I
leave it at that. Pretty close to a complete fill.
Then it is one of 4 compass directions. First comes East, over the
Cascades and Central Oregon 129 miles to Bend, Oregon, the first available
fuel stop, then onward towards Burns, Oregon. another 130 miles or so. That
is my first refueling stop. You run out of gas in the middle of the Oregon
Cascades, or halfway between Bend and Burns (high altitude desert country)
and you are in for a looonngg walk.
Same goes for South, West, and North.
So, I only run on the top half of the fuel tanks. About 200 to 300 miles.
That makes for a very comfortable reserve fuel supply.
The last time i ran out of gasoline in any vehicle was in 1957 with my
mom's 1947 plymouth. Didn't like walking for gas when I was 17, and I am
sure I would dislike it more today. Just not something I am going to do,
again, ever. I really only need to learn a bad lesson, one time. Your
results might vary.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 6:34 AM Matt Colie via Gmclist <

> > Don't know why you insist upon driving around with 0 gas in your coach.
> Is there a reason for it, or do you just like the excersize from lugging
> > heavy cans of gas beside busy highways, and driving a stumbling running
> coach. I sure don't understand it.
> > What am I missing here ?
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, Oregon
>
> Jim,
>
> While I understand your point, there are two cases here for really
> understanding the fuel inventory that you might be missing.
>
> Fuel inventory management is something that the pilots of both water craft
> and aircraft need to be good at. The walk to a fuel stop is not a good
> option.
>
> First off, Vern is native to Texas. The rural road speed limit is 70 and
> it can be half a tank to the nearest good fuel stop.
>
> The second is pretty specific to easterners, things can vary a lot between
> states. There are some states and localities where fuel costs are
> significantly higher. So much so that by making the correct fuel stop, we
> have often reduced the fuel cost by 10 dollars (and this is not counting
> Kroger Fuel points and Sam's Clubs). One can sometimes cross a state line
> and see fuel prices drop by 20¢/gallon. When the expected pick up is 50
> gallons, that could add up to a free 50 miles.
>
> If one knows his fuel rates and inventory and the navigator is running
> Street Atlas or Strips and Treets, one can easily and pretty accurately
> project
> the next fuel stop and then with the help of Gas Buddy, he can make good
> choices. This is just one reason to carry wire (have mobile internet) and a
> good navigator in the other seat.
>
> While I avoid it when traveling in remote and unknown areas, on more than
> a few occasions, we have been able to take on in excess of 50 gallons.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>
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Quote:
> While I avoid it when traveling in remote and unknown areas, on more than a few occasions, we have been able to take on in excess of 50 gallons.
> Matt

Since the book shows the fuel capacity as 50 gallons (Two 25 gallon tanks) and you exceeded that amount more than once, I am impressed with your
bravery and willingness to share your experience.

The most I've recorded in fuel fills has been ~40 gallons.

"You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din".
--
Richard
76 Palm Beach
SE Michigan
www.PalmBeachGMC.com


Coop Roller Cam 455, Howell TBI + EBL, 3.42 FD, Quadra Bag, Macerator, Lenzi stuff, Manny Tranny etc.
 
"as early in the day as I can."
that must be before the attendant is on duty at an all night station.

All those "I"s says you're pumping your own gas in Oregon...Howja do
that, except on an Indian reservation, or as above, before the attendant
is there?

Ron

> I always drive from my house to Salem, and fill my tanks as
> early in
> the day as i can. I click the fill hose off when I can hear gas
> coming up
> the filler neck. It sometimes will gurgle a bit and recede down the
> neck. I
> leave it at that. Pretty close to a complete fill.
> > Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>

Ron & Linda Clark
North Plains, ORYGUN
1978 Eleganza II
 
I let the attendant put the hose nozzle in the fill neck, and tell them
that it fills very slowly on the first notch, and ask them if they mind
that I stand nearby to listen for the sound of gas coming back up the neck.
When I tell them that it likely will take 40 gallons or so, they wander off
to help other customers. When it clicks off, I let them remove the hose
nozzle and ring up the sale. They never have complained to me yet.
Motorcycle riders can all fill their own tanks in Oregon.
Just what I do.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 9:56 AM rallymaster--- via Gmclist <

>
> "as early in the day as I can."
> that must be before the attendant is on duty at an all night station.
>
> All those "I"s says you're pumping your own gas in Oregon...Howja do
> that, except on an Indian reservation, or as above, before the attendant
> is there?
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> > I always drive from my house to Salem, and fill my tanks as
> > early in
> > the day as i can. I click the fill hose off when I can hear gas
> > coming up
> > the filler neck. It sometimes will gurgle a bit and recede down the
> > neck. I
> > leave it at that. Pretty close to a complete fill.
> > > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, Oregon
> >
>
> Ron & Linda Clark
> North Plains, ORYGUN
> 1978 Eleganza II
>
>
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I always fill up every 250 miles plus or minus.
I've run out of gas 3 times in my life first in a bug stuck between two hills so couldn't roll ether way to get gas.
Had to walk a mile to fight with the attendant because I only had 10 bucks.
Twice using the exwife's car. She said needed gas both times. Made it half way to work, 1.5 miles, both times and ran out.
Still can't figure out how she could have known.

--
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
 
Thanks Jim Hupy,

I'm a bit anal about keeping fuel and milage logs on all my vehicles, going
back owning to my first car. I got my drivers license when I was 13, and
purchased my first car when I was 16. I only remember running out of gas
about three times in in my life, the last time would have been over 30
years ago.

My fueling habits pretty much parallel yours, planning fuel stops way
ahead. I'm a fond user of the "GasBuddy" app on my phone, and check way
down the road for best places to take "fuel and stretch" stops. I know
where every Costco is along our route, and have found they are always the
lowest price in every market i've traveled. In unfamiliar territory it is
rare that I let the tank get below the 1/2 mark, with only four entries
slightly over 40 gallons. Also, our coach is part "Billie" goat, getting
most of its exercise in mountainous ranges, annually traveling from Texas
to the Pacific Northwest. We put lots of miles in the Rockies and the
Cascades. I don't want to have the engine quit because the fuel pump fail
to deliver going up or down steep inclines.

Checking the log on the coach reveals 4,994 gallons of fuel purchased, for
45,277 miles traveled, yielding a running average of 9.08 MPG. Not too bad
for three and a half years of luxury travel!

Hugs,
Vern, Lenore, and Knibbles D. Kat
Texas, Oregon, Pennsylvania, and points in-between!

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:10 PM James Hupy via Gmclist <

> I let the attendant put the hose nozzle in the fill neck, and tell them
> that it fills very slowly on the first notch, and ask them if they mind
> that I stand nearby to listen for the sound of gas coming back up the neck.
> When I tell them that it likely will take 40 gallons or so, they wander off
> to help other customers. When it clicks off, I let them remove the hose
> nozzle and ring up the sale. They never have complained to me yet.
> Motorcycle riders can all fill their own tanks in Oregon.
> Just what I do.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 9:56 AM rallymaster--- via Gmclist <

>
> >
> > "as early in the day as I can."
> > that must be before the attendant is on duty at an all night station.
> >
> > All those "I"s says you're pumping your own gas in Oregon...Howja do
> > that, except on an Indian reservation, or as above, before the attendant
> > is there?
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> >
> > > I always drive from my house to Salem, and fill my tanks as
> > > early in
> > > the day as i can. I click the fill hose off when I can hear gas
> > > coming up
> > > the filler neck. It sometimes will gurgle a bit and recede down the
> > > neck. I
> > > leave it at that. Pretty close to a complete fill.
> > > > Jim Hupy
> > > Salem, Oregon
> > >
> >
> > Ron & Linda Clark
> > North Plains, ORYGUN
> > 1978 Eleganza II
> >
> >
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155 JJ Lane
Center Point, TX 78010
(618) 203-8296 Vern's cell
(830) 928-5550 Lenore's cell
VernCrawford
LenoreLangsdorf
 
> The last time i ran out of gasoline in any vehicle was in 1957 with my
> mom's 1947 plymouth. Didn't like walking for gas when I was 17, and I am
> sure I would dislike it more today. Just not something I am going to do,
> again, ever. I really only need to learn a bad lesson, one time. Your
> results might vary.

Oh, you would have really loved my experience of running out of gas on
the way down to the fall rally :-)

I-5 in Portland at about the peak of rush hour. Coming up a slight
incline in the left lane a couple of miles before the bridge over the
Columbia river. The engine sputters a bit and I throw the fuel selector
switch to the other tank. Yes, I did have fuel there, but I guess the
line at that point was too starved and could not recover.

OK, being a new GMC owner it was a bit of an experiment to see when the
fuel actually runs out given the gauge had been showing empty for a
while. Yep found out that the tank is empty at the most in opportune time!

After a while the Oregon DOT came by and was able to tow me over to the
shoulder and that leveled me out a bit. Still would not start (the GMC
was still not level side to side). Then it occurred to me that I could
get level with the air suspension. After a few tries it finally fired
back up and got me up to the gas station I could see from the highway.

A lot of fun these GMCs :-)

--
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hickey DMR: 3102272
425-395-4554
 
Just remember fuel gauge drop rate is not linear. Above the fill tube level you are drawing from a 50 gallon tank. Below that you are drawing from
what remains in 2 25 gallon tanks. That last 1/4 goes fast
--
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
 
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