When we drained our Trans. we did it for several days and found that we
could drain out 9 1/2 qts. Did nothing other than let it drain.As I said it
took several days. And no we were not over full to begin with.
Marlene
----- Original Message -----
From: tom warner
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 9:17 PM
Subject: RE: RE: GMC: Re: GMC stranded (update)
> 1. The passenger side hole is the inspection plate for the torque
converter
> which you can see thru it. If it is leaking there it maybe just a seal on
> the tranny side. Repairing that would still mean dropping the tranny.
> However if the tranny were overfilled it may be forcing fluid out there.
But
> then are ou sure it is not motor oil coming from the engine?
>
> 2. If the sender is in the ragusa pan then I cant understand how the temp
> could change abruptly unless there is a loose connection on it, OR someone
> put a sealer on the sender threads and it is erratically grounding out on
> the pan. That does not seem likely however. I still lean towards foaming
> tranny fluid.
>
> 3. the tranny hold 8 pints or 4 quarts when the fluid is changed if my
> memory is correct.But something interesting is that you used synthetic
> fluid. Boy if that is burned you would really have had to overheat it? I
> cant remember what it smells like but why not compare it to a bottle of
new
> synthetic?
>
> tom
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >1RESPONSE Leak seems to be from passengers side hole about the
> >size of a baseball. Is that the torque converter, it looks like
> >one, thought I dont remember them being visible from outside
> >the housing in the past? I am not yet familiar with it, though
> >i soon will be.
> >
> >2. Where is the probe for the tranny temp gauge located? That
> >will tell us
> >something about the erratic temps.
> >
> >2RESPONSE-The sender is in the Ragusa pan I had it installed
> >by a local shop when they installed the pan and changed the filter.
> >
> >3. ?Where is the inspection hole you refer to that the tranny
> >fluid spewed
> >out of? If it spewed out anyplace when it was first started up
> >it does not
> >sound like a torque converter problem. Fluid would have been
> >in the tranny
> >pan and would not have filled the torque converter so fast.
> >
> >from your description now, you it sounds like you may have experienced
> >foaming of the tranny fluid which would have explained the surging
> >and the
> >fact that the temp was erratic. That points to overfilling of
> >the tranny. Do
> >you have an accurate dip stick? You may have been losing fluid
> >all of this
> >time since your tranny was always overfilled and building up
> >to much
> >pressure. If that is the case it will puke it out no matter how
> >much you add.
> >
> >3RESPONSE I dont know if it is accurate. When i had the pan and
> >sender installed, I gave them a 6-pack of synthetic ATF to put
> >in. They gave me back 1 or 2 quarts, I dont remember exactly.
> > I will be sure to have that checked. Next time, I will do it
> >myself or have a real GMC shop do the work like Ken, Jim, Max,
> >Alex, etc.
> >
> >I still think you may have a simple problem. If it was mine I
> >would check
> >the fluid to see if it was really overheated. If it was you can
> >tell by the
> >color and the smell.
> >
> >3RESPONSE It was brown/yellow with an acid smell. Although I
> >dont remember smelling burned ATF in the past, it is what I would
> >expect it to smell like.
> >
> >If the fluid checks out ok then drop the tranny pan, and remove
> >all of the
> >fluid from the torque converter and refill with the correct amount
> >of fluid
> >and THEN check the level on the dip stick to see if it is accurate.
> >I have a
> >feeling your dip stick may be off.
> >
> >just a guess
> >tom
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>First: I am glad I brought the company laptop.
> >>Second: Thanks to all (Walt,Peter, etc) who have called me to
> >>try to help.
> >>
> >>What happened:
> >>
> >>Tranny leaked when I got it last year. Been putting fluid in
> >>religiously. Ken Frey took a look at it and felt that the filler
> >>area and governor was leaking (which they were) and replaced/sealed
> >>it. It was leaking much less on the way back from his place.
> >> I have been questioning the Tranny temp guage as it will hold
> >>160 degrees or so then flash up to full scale in a matter of
> >>seconds. Checked the wires, and all was well. Running through
> >>PA and West Virginia I was watching the guage and it held 160-180
> >>most of the time. Then it would creep up, going up on downhill
> >>runs and down on uphill (braking creates heat?).
> >>
> >>About 90 miles after I put in 2 quarts, I was running at 200-205
> >>(which is a bit high). All was fine, suddenly on an uphill
> >climb
> >>from Huntington to Ashland, the engine surged once came down
> >>then surged quite loud and spewed smoke, I cut her into neutral
> >>in.000005 seconds, had her on the side of the road (excellent
> >>brakes thanks to Kens magic) had Julie, the kids and Skippy
> >the
> >>Dog on the side of the road (we had rehersed) and was under
> >the
> >>car with the extinguisher. The flames were on the drivers side,
> >>I crawled around to the passengers side and put that side out
> >>too.
> >>
> >>Called Black list, no one in the area, called Tom at Grandview,
> >>he gave me a troubleshooting proceedure. Checked the GMCMI
> >list
> >>AHAH! Dale Davis in Huntington! He was there with three quarts
> >>of Tranny fluid in 20 minutes. Put it in, started, it spewed
> >>out of the inspection hole (?) on the passengers side. Initial
> >>diagnosis, Low fluid and fried torque converter.
> >>
> >>Local AAmco shop recommended by a couple of folks (New owner,
> >>the old one was a thief they said.
> >>
> >>If tranny is shot I will get one from Danny Dunn with a 3.5
> >gear,
> >>I think. If it is the torque converter, I will have them seal
> >>the tranny up and put in an auxilliary cooler.
> >>
> >>Any suggestions?
> >>
> >>We will see what happens tommorow and plan accordingly. Were
> >>scheduled to do Mamouth cave Monday and Tuesday, may have to
> >>pass.
> >>
> >>Thanks again to all who have helped or tried to.
> >>
> >>Ron, Julie, Katelyn, Erika, Thomas and Skippy the Dog.
> >>
> >>P.S. Dave, is Dale's coach registered? He wasn't sure. He
> >also
> >>is probably going to join the Black List.
> >>--- Original Message ---
> >>"Peter Brandt" Wrote on
> >>Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:47:24 -0600
> >> ------------------
> >>Ron Kazi Update
> >>
> >>GMCers,
> >>
> >>I just talked to Ron on the phone, he is waiting for the tow
> >>truck - looks
> >>like his GMC has a serious transmission fluid leak from the
> >torque
> >>converter
> >>area. He called a local GMC International member, who came out
> >>to help him.
> >>Ron thinks a transmission shop should be able to fix the problem,
> >>if not
> >>he'll get a tranny shipped from Danny Dunn.
> >>Looks like everything is under control.
> >>
> >>Peter
> >>77 Eleganza II
> >>Colorado
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From:
> >>To:
> >>Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 4:20 PM
> >>Subject: GMC: GMC stranded ,transmission fire
> >>
> >>
> >>> Got a call 6:00 pm Sunday from Ronald Kazi phone # 203 952
> >>7091.
> >>> Got my name from the Black List he is in Kentucky near the
> >>Ashland oil
> >>> refinery.
> >>> Transmission oil caught on fire , he put out fire with his
> >>fire
> >>extinguisher.
> >>> Ask me for clothest repair facility.
> >>> Any sugestions? I am in W V 8 hours away.
> >>> HE has towing insurance.
> >>> Ronald is traveling to Colorado.
> >>> He throught transmission line leak,but I fear transmission
> >>failure??
> >>>
> >>> Lawrence Gaskins
> >>> West Union WV
> >>>
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could drain out 9 1/2 qts. Did nothing other than let it drain.As I said it
took several days. And no we were not over full to begin with.
Marlene
----- Original Message -----
From: tom warner
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 9:17 PM
Subject: RE: RE: GMC: Re: GMC stranded (update)
> 1. The passenger side hole is the inspection plate for the torque
converter
> which you can see thru it. If it is leaking there it maybe just a seal on
> the tranny side. Repairing that would still mean dropping the tranny.
> However if the tranny were overfilled it may be forcing fluid out there.
But
> then are ou sure it is not motor oil coming from the engine?
>
> 2. If the sender is in the ragusa pan then I cant understand how the temp
> could change abruptly unless there is a loose connection on it, OR someone
> put a sealer on the sender threads and it is erratically grounding out on
> the pan. That does not seem likely however. I still lean towards foaming
> tranny fluid.
>
> 3. the tranny hold 8 pints or 4 quarts when the fluid is changed if my
> memory is correct.But something interesting is that you used synthetic
> fluid. Boy if that is burned you would really have had to overheat it? I
> cant remember what it smells like but why not compare it to a bottle of
new
> synthetic?
>
> tom
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >1RESPONSE Leak seems to be from passengers side hole about the
> >size of a baseball. Is that the torque converter, it looks like
> >one, thought I dont remember them being visible from outside
> >the housing in the past? I am not yet familiar with it, though
> >i soon will be.
> >
> >2. Where is the probe for the tranny temp gauge located? That
> >will tell us
> >something about the erratic temps.
> >
> >2RESPONSE-The sender is in the Ragusa pan I had it installed
> >by a local shop when they installed the pan and changed the filter.
> >
> >3. ?Where is the inspection hole you refer to that the tranny
> >fluid spewed
> >out of? If it spewed out anyplace when it was first started up
> >it does not
> >sound like a torque converter problem. Fluid would have been
> >in the tranny
> >pan and would not have filled the torque converter so fast.
> >
> >from your description now, you it sounds like you may have experienced
> >foaming of the tranny fluid which would have explained the surging
> >and the
> >fact that the temp was erratic. That points to overfilling of
> >the tranny. Do
> >you have an accurate dip stick? You may have been losing fluid
> >all of this
> >time since your tranny was always overfilled and building up
> >to much
> >pressure. If that is the case it will puke it out no matter how
> >much you add.
> >
> >3RESPONSE I dont know if it is accurate. When i had the pan and
> >sender installed, I gave them a 6-pack of synthetic ATF to put
> >in. They gave me back 1 or 2 quarts, I dont remember exactly.
> > I will be sure to have that checked. Next time, I will do it
> >myself or have a real GMC shop do the work like Ken, Jim, Max,
> >Alex, etc.
> >
> >I still think you may have a simple problem. If it was mine I
> >would check
> >the fluid to see if it was really overheated. If it was you can
> >tell by the
> >color and the smell.
> >
> >3RESPONSE It was brown/yellow with an acid smell. Although I
> >dont remember smelling burned ATF in the past, it is what I would
> >expect it to smell like.
> >
> >If the fluid checks out ok then drop the tranny pan, and remove
> >all of the
> >fluid from the torque converter and refill with the correct amount
> >of fluid
> >and THEN check the level on the dip stick to see if it is accurate.
> >I have a
> >feeling your dip stick may be off.
> >
> >just a guess
> >tom
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>First: I am glad I brought the company laptop.
> >>Second: Thanks to all (Walt,Peter, etc) who have called me to
> >>try to help.
> >>
> >>What happened:
> >>
> >>Tranny leaked when I got it last year. Been putting fluid in
> >>religiously. Ken Frey took a look at it and felt that the filler
> >>area and governor was leaking (which they were) and replaced/sealed
> >>it. It was leaking much less on the way back from his place.
> >> I have been questioning the Tranny temp guage as it will hold
> >>160 degrees or so then flash up to full scale in a matter of
> >>seconds. Checked the wires, and all was well. Running through
> >>PA and West Virginia I was watching the guage and it held 160-180
> >>most of the time. Then it would creep up, going up on downhill
> >>runs and down on uphill (braking creates heat?).
> >>
> >>About 90 miles after I put in 2 quarts, I was running at 200-205
> >>(which is a bit high). All was fine, suddenly on an uphill
> >climb
> >>from Huntington to Ashland, the engine surged once came down
> >>then surged quite loud and spewed smoke, I cut her into neutral
> >>in.000005 seconds, had her on the side of the road (excellent
> >>brakes thanks to Kens magic) had Julie, the kids and Skippy
> >the
> >>Dog on the side of the road (we had rehersed) and was under
> >the
> >>car with the extinguisher. The flames were on the drivers side,
> >>I crawled around to the passengers side and put that side out
> >>too.
> >>
> >>Called Black list, no one in the area, called Tom at Grandview,
> >>he gave me a troubleshooting proceedure. Checked the GMCMI
> >list
> >>AHAH! Dale Davis in Huntington! He was there with three quarts
> >>of Tranny fluid in 20 minutes. Put it in, started, it spewed
> >>out of the inspection hole (?) on the passengers side. Initial
> >>diagnosis, Low fluid and fried torque converter.
> >>
> >>Local AAmco shop recommended by a couple of folks (New owner,
> >>the old one was a thief they said.
> >>
> >>If tranny is shot I will get one from Danny Dunn with a 3.5
> >gear,
> >>I think. If it is the torque converter, I will have them seal
> >>the tranny up and put in an auxilliary cooler.
> >>
> >>Any suggestions?
> >>
> >>We will see what happens tommorow and plan accordingly. Were
> >>scheduled to do Mamouth cave Monday and Tuesday, may have to
> >>pass.
> >>
> >>Thanks again to all who have helped or tried to.
> >>
> >>Ron, Julie, Katelyn, Erika, Thomas and Skippy the Dog.
> >>
> >>P.S. Dave, is Dale's coach registered? He wasn't sure. He
> >also
> >>is probably going to join the Black List.
> >>--- Original Message ---
> >>"Peter Brandt" Wrote on
> >>Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:47:24 -0600
> >> ------------------
> >>Ron Kazi Update
> >>
> >>GMCers,
> >>
> >>I just talked to Ron on the phone, he is waiting for the tow
> >>truck - looks
> >>like his GMC has a serious transmission fluid leak from the
> >torque
> >>converter
> >>area. He called a local GMC International member, who came out
> >>to help him.
> >>Ron thinks a transmission shop should be able to fix the problem,
> >>if not
> >>he'll get a tranny shipped from Danny Dunn.
> >>Looks like everything is under control.
> >>
> >>Peter
> >>77 Eleganza II
> >>Colorado
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From:
> >>To:
> >>Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 4:20 PM
> >>Subject: GMC: GMC stranded ,transmission fire
> >>
> >>
> >>> Got a call 6:00 pm Sunday from Ronald Kazi phone # 203 952
> >>7091.
> >>> Got my name from the Black List he is in Kentucky near the
> >>Ashland oil
> >>> refinery.
> >>> Transmission oil caught on fire , he put out fire with his
> >>fire
> >>extinguisher.
> >>> Ask me for clothest repair facility.
> >>> Any sugestions? I am in W V 8 hours away.
> >>> HE has towing insurance.
> >>> Ronald is traveling to Colorado.
> >>> He throught transmission line leak,but I fear transmission
> >>failure??
> >>>
> >>> Lawrence Gaskins
> >>> West Union WV
> >>>
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