Edelbrock Olds Exhaust Crossover Plugs

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robert mueller

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G'day,

I was checking out Edelbrock Cylinder heads and stumbled across this:

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EDL%2D2733&autoview=sku

Brand: Edelbrock
Product Line: EDELBROCK EXHAUST CROSSOVER PLUGS
Part Type: Exhaust Crossover Plugs

Exhaust Crossover Plug Material: CAST IRON

Exhaust Crossover Plug Finish: Natural
Quantity: Sold as a pair.

Crossover Plugs, Exhaust, CAST IRON, Natural, Oldsmobile, V8, Pair

Block off that exhaust crossover

These Edelbrock exhaust crossover plugs are designed mainly for use in
marine or off-road applications. They are made of CAST ALUMINUM and install
into the exhaust crossover without any modifications.

I did not ask what they were made of as The Blue Streak has an Edelbrock
manifold on it so I don't need them.

I thought I'd pass it on as at $12.39 for a pair it looks like an easy and
cheap way to plug the crossover.

Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
75 - Avion
The Blue Streak

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Lot of people have had a lot of trouble using these. Do you have two
mufflers?? What happens is one muffler gets plugged and all the
exhaust tries to cross over thru the intake manifold. over heats the
manifold and carby. I have seen wiring burned from this. I took the
two mufflers out and replaced them with a 3" Y and 3" exhaust tubing
all the way to the back. Then installed the muffler cross way in the
back. Wish I could say I thought of it but I got this idea from your
friendly GMC net............Terry

> G'day,
>
> I was checking out Edelbrock Cylinder heads and stumbled across this:
>
> http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EDL%2D2733&autoview=sku
>
> Brand: Edelbrock
> Product Line: EDELBROCK EXHAUST CROSSOVER PLUGS
> Part Type: Exhaust Crossover Plugs
>
> Exhaust Crossover Plug Material: CAST IRON
>
> Exhaust Crossover Plug Finish: Natural
> Quantity: Sold as a pair.
>
> Crossover Plugs, Exhaust, CAST IRON, Natural, Oldsmobile, V8, Pair
>
> Block off that exhaust crossover
>
> These Edelbrock exhaust crossover plugs are designed mainly for use in
> marine or off-road applications. They are made of CAST ALUMINUM and install
> into the exhaust crossover without any modifications.
>
> I did not ask what they were made of as The Blue Streak has an Edelbrock
> manifold on it so I don't need them.
>
> I thought I'd pass it on as at $12.39 for a pair it looks like an easy and
> cheap way to plug the crossover.
>
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia

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In a message dated 12/1/2007 5:28:38 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>Crossover Plugs, Exhaust, CAST IRON, Natural, Oldsmobile, V8, Pair

Rob

I could tell you all type of horror stories about them. Do not put them in
loose.
Somebody here knows that one. I had a fellow do two for me and I had no
problems with them for 40,000 miles. Had a problem with one head on the road.
Had a plug put in by a fancy welder. 4,000 miles later stuck the valves on
either
side of the welded in plug. That's how I got my Koba engine.

Take Care
Arch
76 EX Glenbrook
So IL


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Rob;
Interesting find but needs clarification as to if they are iron or
Aluminum??? Very inexpensive fix.

Exhaust Crossover Plug Material: Cast iron
Block off that exhaust crossover.
These Edelbrock exhaust crossover plugs are designed mainly for use in
marine or off-road applications. They are made of cast ALUMINUM and install
into the exhaust crossover without any modifications.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Mueller"
To: "gmclist"
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 3:27 PM
Subject: [gmclist] Edelbrock Olds Exhaust Crossover Plugs

> G'day,
>
> I was checking out Edelbrock Cylinder heads and stumbled across this:
>
> http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EDL%2D2733&autoview=sku
>
> Brand: Edelbrock
> Product Line: EDELBROCK EXHAUST CROSSOVER PLUGS
> Part Type: Exhaust Crossover Plugs
>
> Exhaust Crossover Plug Material: CAST IRON
>
> Exhaust Crossover Plug Finish: Natural
> Quantity: Sold as a pair.
>
> Crossover Plugs, Exhaust, CAST IRON, Natural, Oldsmobile, V8, Pair
>
> Block off that exhaust crossover
>
> These Edelbrock exhaust crossover plugs are designed mainly for use in
> marine or off-road applications. They are made of CAST ALUMINUM and
> install
> into the exhaust crossover without any modifications.
>
> I did not ask what they were made of as The Blue Streak has an Edelbrock
> manifold on it so I don't need them.
>
> I thought I'd pass it on as at $12.39 for a pair it looks like an easy and
> cheap way to plug the crossover.
>
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> 75 - Avion
> The Blue Streak
>
>
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Rob,

*** Re-reading your posting: I don't understand your statement that Blue
Streak has an Edelbrock manifold so you don't need them. If I were you, I'd
be VERY concerned in view of my tale below.***

You're too new to have heard the tales of woe about those blasted things!
When I was young (sorta) and foolish (GMC-wise), I had to rebuild my engine,
which ate #4 intake valve 875 miles from where I bought it the day before --
75 miles short of home.

I discovered GMCNet immediately before buying the GMC, so I had some advice
available, but not nearly what we have now. I heard that the exhaust
crossover should be blocked. The engine had an Edelbrock aluminum manifold
so I called them and they agreed. They also volunteered a free pair of the
plugs. I fitted those carefully, tapping them firmly in place after doing
the minor custom fitting that was necessary.

Some 23,000 miles or so later, after covering S. GA to Fairbanks, AK, to Key
West, FL, & back, I grew tired of the raised cockpit floor required for the
Edelbrock so I located an iron manifold to install.

The pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=3057
show what I found.

You DO NOT want to use them. I'd heard tales of them wearing through the
wall of the intake passages into the water jacket but generally scoffed at
the idea. If I'd waited another 5,000-10,000 miles, I sure wouldn't have
scoffed any more. I might have been like one of our Dixielanders who last
year had exactly that happen. Not only were his heads ruined, at some time
during the episode, the engine was hydraulically locked, bending rods, and
eventually spinning bearings. New Paterson engine for him.

You'll note that I'd also poured zinc alloy into the manifold passage, as
recommended by Mondello and documented in another of my albums. At the time
I didn't know about the SS block-off plates. Nor do I recall why I used
both the zinc and the plugs; probably for fear the zinc couldn't stand the
heat -- it can.

Finally, notice in the Summit ad that the material is listed as "Iron" in
one place and aluminum in another. I'll be willing to bet that they're
still iron and arrive in the as-sand-cast condition like mine did.

Another interesting tidbit from the Summit catalog (didn't check the current
one) is the little asterisk beside the Olds 455 manifold listing. The
corresponding note is that the crossover plugs must be used or the warranty
is voided. Caveat emptor

Oh yeah -- those 1/4 worn through head bolts are still in place about 40,000
miles later. :-)

JWIKFSE (Just What I Know From Sad Experience),

Ken Henderson
Americus, GA
76 X-Birchaven
76 X-Palm Beach
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Mueller [mailto:robmueller]
>
> I was checking out Edelbrock Cylinder heads and stumbled across this:
>
> http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EDL%2D2733&a
> utoview=sku
>
> Brand: Edelbrock
> Product Line: EDELBROCK EXHAUST CROSSOVER PLUGS Part Type:
> Exhaust Crossover Plugs
>
> Exhaust Crossover Plug Material: CAST IRON
>
> Exhaust Crossover Plug Finish: Natural
> Quantity: Sold as a pair.
>
> Crossover Plugs, Exhaust, CAST IRON, Natural, Oldsmobile, V8, Pair
>
> Block off that exhaust crossover
>
> These Edelbrock exhaust crossover plugs are designed mainly
> for use in marine or off-road applications. They are made of
> CAST ALUMINUM and install into the exhaust crossover without
> any modifications.
>
> I did not ask what they were made of as The Blue Streak has
> an Edelbrock manifold on it so I don't need them.
>
> I thought I'd pass it on as at $12.39 for a pair it looks
> like an easy and cheap way to plug the crossover.

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Arch;
One of these horror stories is going to tip the balance and send me back to
what I know works, a diesel truck/bus.
I have experienced stuck valves and loose seats after a "fancy welder" did
work on a toyota car head. I did not know the work was being done until the
job was over, and the engine assembled. It never occured to me that anyone
would weld on a head and then not replace/ream the guides, replace the seats
and do a grind.
Would you please tell me why one can not braze these cast plugs in the
intake manifold, check the manifold for straight and mill it if necessary?
I have done a lot of brazing on exhaust manifolds and never had one fail.
Why would this not work on an intake manifold?
Thanks
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "gmclist"
>>Crossover Plugs, Exhaust, CAST IRON, Natural, Oldsmobile, V8, Pair
> Rob
> I could tell you all type of horror stories about them. Do not put them
> in
> loose.
> Somebody here knows that one. I had a fellow do two for me and I had no
> problems with them for 40,000 miles. Had a problem with one head on the
> road.
> Had a plug put in by a fancy welder. 4,000 miles later stuck the valves
> on
> either
> side of the welded in plug. That's how I got my Koba engine.
> Take Care
> Arch

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> G'day,
>
> I was checking out Edelbrock Cylinder heads and stumbled across this:
>
> http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EDL%
> 2D2733&autoview=sku
>
> Brand: Edelbrock
> Product Line: EDELBROCK EXHAUST CROSSOVER PLUGS
> Part Type: Exhaust Crossover Plugs
>
> Exhaust Crossover Plug Material: CAST IRON
>
> Exhaust Crossover Plug Finish: Natural
> Quantity: Sold as a pair.
>
> Crossover Plugs, Exhaust, CAST IRON, Natural, Oldsmobile, V8, Pair
>
> Block off that exhaust crossover
>
> These Edelbrock exhaust crossover plugs are designed mainly for use in
> marine or off-road applications. They are made of CAST ALUMINUM and
> install
> into the exhaust crossover without any modifications.
>
> I did not ask what they were made of as The Blue Streak has an
> Edelbrock
> manifold on it so I don't need them.
>
> I thought I'd pass it on as at $12.39 for a pair it looks like an
> easy and
> cheap way to plug the crossover.
>
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> 75 - Avion
> The Blue Streak
>
>
Rob - someone had reported using them and they rattled around, got
smaller and then one was eaten by a piston. Whoever it was might be
on the GMCnet yet and might be able to tell you more.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM



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Well, I've welded two sets of the iron plugs in years ago.
Got them when Joe Mondello was selling them. They're still
in there and doing well. I wouldn't recommend brazing them
in. I don't think they'll survive.

Gary Kosier
77 PB
Newark, Oh

----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "gmclist"
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [gmclist] Edelbrock Olds Exhaust Crossover Plugs

> In a message dated 12/1/2007 9:05:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>
>>Would you please tell me why one can not braze these cast plugs in the
>>intake manifold,
>
> Gordon
>
> My first set of plugs were welded into my heads not the manifold. I
> had no problems with them. This was done buy a guy who welds
> up heads and manifolds for the coal mines in the area. He knows
> what he is doing. He has been doing if for over 30 years. He said
> weld them into the head and all I said was OK. I have no idea why
> he does not braze them. In my world when you ask a question
> of a person who is well respected in your area you listen to the
> answer.
>
> Take Care
> Arch
> 76 EX Glenbrook
> So IL
>
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In a message dated 12/1/2007 9:05:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>Would you please tell me why one can not braze these cast plugs in the
>intake manifold,

Gordon

My first set of plugs were welded into my heads not the manifold. I
had no problems with them. This was done buy a guy who welds
up heads and manifolds for the coal mines in the area. He knows
what he is doing. He has been doing if for over 30 years. He said
weld them into the head and all I said was OK. I have no idea why
he does not braze them. In my world when you ask a question
of a person who is well respected in your area you listen to the
answer.

Take Care
Arch
76 EX Glenbrook
So IL


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Forget the plugs. A few people have reported no problems with them or at least they have not dicovered that they have a problem yet. Several other people have reported major erosion of the plugs, including loosening of the plus to the point the heads are damaged.

I would not bother taking the risk. I would instead install a set of stainless blocking plates from Dick Paterson and be done with it. No one, to my knowledge, has reported that the plates have worn through. Even if he do, they are easy to replace and should not damage the engine. I have got the blocking plates on my engine.

You can also fill the manifold with Zinc along with the plates but that is only necessary if the manifold has a crack in it and is leaking.

JMHO

Ken B.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

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Gene,

Maybe the next time iron plugs come up I'll remember to ask "does anyone
remember where my iron plug tale is?" Then you can chime in and save
everyone from having to read/delete it all again!

Come to think of it, 'most anything I might have to say probably falls in
that category; I should just start saying, "Hey Gene, what do I want to
say?" That might even help keep the tale from changing from telling to
telling. :-)

Thanks,

Ken Henderson
Americus, GA
76 X-Birchaven
76 X-Palm Beach
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mr.erf ERFisher [mailto:mr.erfisher]
>
> sort of like these?
> http://www.california.com/%7Eeagle/radiator.html
>
> gene

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> Maybe the next time iron plugs come up I'll remember to ask "does anyone
> remember where my iron plug tale is?"

Thank hevens we have great " been there- done that" guys like you in
our community who talk facts, not just opinions.

Now if I could just keep my links up to date;>)

thanks
gene

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You are assuming most of us can remember the story from time to time. A few
changes are not only allowable but sometimes not even noticeable.

jofarr, soddy tn '74 canyonlands 26/3
"Done!" is better than "need 2do".

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Henderson"

> Come to think of it, 'most anything I might have to say probably falls in
> that category; I should just start saying, "Hey Gene, what do I want to
> say?" That might even help keep the tale from changing from telling to
> telling. :-)

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Rob, the cast iron plug will never plug the hole properly. It will
start rocking in there and later you'll need to pull it out. Your not
putting this on a quarter mile machine. Just get the gasket and SS
plate from Dick Patterson or we have his set in stock.
The major reason you develop the heating problem is your worn out
mufflers. When one side causes reitriction, the exaust crosses over to
the other side.

> G'day,
>
> I was checking out Edelbrock Cylinder heads and stumbled across this:
>
> http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EDL%2D2733&autoview=sku
>
> Brand: Edelbrock
> Product Line: EDELBROCK EXHAUST CROSSOVER PLUGS
> Part Type: Exhaust Crossover Plugs
>
> Exhaust Crossover Plug Material: CAST IRON
>
> Exhaust Crossover Plug Finish: Natural
> Quantity: Sold as a pair.
>
> Crossover Plugs, Exhaust, CAST IRON, Natural, Oldsmobile, V8, Pair
>
> Block off that exhaust crossover
>
> These Edelbrock exhaust crossover plugs are designed mainly for use in
> marine or off-road applications. They are made of CAST ALUMINUM and install
> into the exhaust crossover without any modifications.
>
> I did not ask what they were made of as The Blue Streak has an Edelbrock
> manifold on it so I don't need them.
>
> I thought I'd pass it on as at $12.39 for a pair it looks like an easy and
> cheap way to plug the crossover.
>
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> 75 - Avion
> The Blue Streak
>
>
>
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Arch;
The only welder I have had the privilege to know who could lance a broken
axle out, had worked the mines all his life. He was a European trained
welder who never learned to speak English worth a darn. He just did the
work.
What I am completely puzzled with is the fact that these plugs are intended
to be put in the intake manifold, not the heads. Why do you put them in the
heads? What am I missing? My coach has a cast iron intake with the
crossover blocked I know not how.
I can weld cast, very poorly, and usually warp the heck out of what ever I
am working on. That is why I braze cast, or get someone who is good at it
to do the job.
Thanks
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "gmclist"
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [gmclist] Edelbrock Olds Exhaust Crossover Plugs

> In a message dated 12/1/2007 9:05:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>
>>Would you please tell me why one can not braze these cast plugs in the
>>intake manifold,
>
> Gordon
>
> My first set of plugs were welded into my heads not the manifold. I
> had no problems with them. This was done buy a guy who welds
> up heads and manifolds for the coal mines in the area. He knows
> what he is doing. He has been doing if for over 30 years. He said
> weld them into the head and all I said was OK. I have no idea why
> he does not braze them. In my world when you ask a question
> of a person who is well respected in your area you listen to the
> answer.
>
> Take Care
> Arch
> 76 EX Glenbrook
> So IL
>
>
>
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In a message dated 12/2/2007 2:34:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>What I am completely puzzled with is the fact that these plugs are intended
>to be put in the intake manifold, not the heads. Why do you put them in
the
>heads? What am I missing?

Gordon

When I bought my coach it had been setting in a junk yard for
at least 5 years. Mechanical work got done first.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=3008

Then the interior.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=3074

It was not like it is today. When we started rebuilding the net was
not around yet. My cast iron manifold had 7 different cracks in it.
I pulled 3 out of the junk yard and all were cracked. The only
reasonable one I could find was the Edelbrock aluminum one.
So I bought the plugs to go in the heads.

Take Care
Arch


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Arch;
With aluminum plugs now available for the manifold, would you go this way
now?

----- Original Message -----
From:

>>What I am completely puzzled with is the fact that these plugs are
>>intended
>>to be put in the intake manifold, not the heads. Why do you put them in
> the
>>heads? What am I missing?
>
> Gordon
> It was not like it is today. When we started rebuilding the net was
> not around yet. My cast iron manifold had 7 different cracks in it.
> I pulled 3 out of the junk yard and all were cracked. The only
> reasonable one I could find was the Edelbrock aluminum one.
> So I bought the plugs to go in the heads.
>
> Take Care
> Arch

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Gary
Sorry to sound like a broken record, but did you weld the plugs in the
manifold or the heads?
As far a weld vs braze, I have brazed many GM 6 cylinder exhaust manifolds
when building split exhaust and never had a problem. The manifolds used to
glow red when racing at night. When I have cast welded using castolin rod,
preheat and postheat, the manifold has cracked again. The only cast weld
that I have done successfully is on my drill press crossfeed. I'm no
welder, just own a 250 miller with an aluminum spool gun, a gas wirefeed
stainless suitcase and a fluxcore suitcase. I just pull the trigger and
move my hand. If it doesn't break again, friends think I am a genius. If
it does break, I'm an idiot.
If the aluminum boat leaks, the crew cries a lot.
Oh, Well.
Off to the airport to brush off all the aircraft belonging to club members;
Gordon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Kosier"
To: "gmclist"
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [gmclist] Edelbrock Olds Exhaust Crossover Plugs

> Well, I've welded two sets of the iron plugs in years ago.
> Got them when Joe Mondello was selling them. They're still
> in there and doing well. I wouldn't recommend brazing them
> in. I don't think they'll survive.
>
> Gary Kosier
> 77 PB
> Newark, Oh

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In a message dated 12/2/2007 5:31:33 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>Arch;
>With aluminum plugs now available for the manifold, would you go this way
>now?

To be very honest with you we have had very good luck with the
stainless steel plates and gaskets supplied by Dick Patterson.
That's what we are doing now.

Take Care
Arch


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