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I was going to get the Spectre but saw the Jeep and wanted the smaller plenum (3" vs. 4" hose). The Jeep plenum is physically less tall then the Spectre (and much less expensive!).
There is more than one Spectre plenum. I'm pretty sure the Jeep plenum was taller than the one I picked (not the common one people usually get). I kinda wanted the 4" hose size, though it was definitely more challenging to route out of the engine bay.
 
I was going to get the Spectre but saw the Jeep and wanted the smaller plenum (3" vs. 4" hose). The Jeep plenum is physically less tall then the Spectre (and much less expensive!).
Be aware that the jeep plenum being shorter needs a spacer to allow the air to make the 90 degree turn into the throttle body. Early users (including me) noticed a decrease in power/performance after installing the Jeep plenum. I used a piece of plastic pipe (green in the photo link) to provide this space and it fixed this issue.

The sensor in the side of the spacer pipe is for ambient air temperature sensor.

 
Be aware that the jeep plenum being shorter needs a spacer to allow the air to make the 90 degree turn into the throttle body. Early users (including me) noticed a decrease in power/performance after installing the Jeep plenum. I used a piece of plastic pipe (green in the photo link) to provide this space and it fixed this issue.
I had read that. I asked Kelvin about it and he indicated he hadn't had any issues with his Jeep plenum on his FiTech system. So I didn't use a round spacer. It seems to work just fine. We shall see how things progress. He DID indicate I will need that spacer if I ever have to re-install the carb for emergencies and want to use the plenum rather than keeping the 14" filter/housing onboard.

I will say I seem to have more ready power than I had before. It pulls HARD! I set the idle at 750 and it keeps around there after warm-up when idling. EFI really "woke-up" this vehicle. 😁
 
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I'm beginning to realize the reason my starter always seems weak is because the air compressor is trying to run at the same time. I have ordered a 10 second delay 30A relay to keep the compressor from pulling power away from the starter. I could simply install a manual cutoff switch, but I might forget to activate the compressor, and I have a slow leak in the lines (a cutoff valve at the bags keeps them full when parked, but the lines get empty). I will eventually fix that leak, but it isn't critical at the moment.
 
I'm beginning to realize the reason my starter always seems weak is because the air compressor is trying to run at the same time. I have ordered a 10 second delay 30A relay to keep the compressor from pulling power away from the starter. I could simply install a manual cutoff switch, but I might forget to activate the compressor, and I have a slow leak in the lines (a cutoff valve at the bags keeps them full when parked, but the lines get empty). I will eventually fix that leak, but it isn't critical at the moment.
Don't worry about delayed relays or manual cutoff switches.

I'm looking at the 1975 diagram, so take the details with a grain of salt...
The factory wiring had the air compressor running off a #12 brown accessory wire. The accessory circuit does not have power while the engine is cranking. If your compressor actually stays running simultaneously with the engine cranking, someone has messed with the wiring. This is an easy fix though, just return it to the factory configuration.

There are only a few circuits that are supposed to stay on while the starter is cranking. Check out the ignition switch portion of the wiring diagram for more details.
 
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Those reuseable cone filters are loud and don't filter very well. I would personally never use one
 
I've been looking for a better solution, like a box style from a GM pickup.

Anyone have any ideas? Year/model that will fit behind the front driver's headlight.
My Jaguar XJ40 is very quiet on the intake side, take a look at that housing.
 
I had read that. I asked Kelvin about it and he indicated he hadn't had any issues with his Jeep plenum on his FiTech system. So I didn't use a round spacer. It seems to work just fine. We shall see how things progress. He DID indicate I will need that spacer if I ever have to re-install the carb for emergencies and want to use the plenum rather than keeping the 14" filter/housing onboard.

I will say I seem to have more ready power than I had before. It pulls HARD! I set the idle at 750 and it keeps around there after warm-up when idling. EFI really "woke-up" this vehicle. 😁
Depends on the design of the throttle body you are using. I'm using a GM Rochester from a 454. The air must make a tight 90 degree downward turn into the driver's side TB barrel within an inch or so. It needs a spacer so the plenum can clear the injectors, so I just made it a bit higher.

I also had replaced the thin body spacers with thick spacers, so that gave me about an extra 1/2" clearance to the dog house cover.
 
Don't worry about delayed relays or manual cutoff switches.

I'm looking at the 1975 diagram, so take the details with a grain of salt...
The factory wiring had the air compressor running off a #12 brown accessory wire. The accessory circuit does not have power while the engine is cranking. If your compressor actually stays running simultaneously with the engine cranking, someone has messed with the wiring. This is an easy fix though, just return it to the factory configuration.

There are only a few circuits that are supposed to stay on while the starter is cranking. Check out the ignition switch portion of the wiring diagram for more details.
I'll have to listen carefully next time I start it. What with the draw from pressurizing the surge tank and the draw from the compressor, my single type 78 battery (new last summer) doesn't seem to have enough "oomph" to crank the starter sometimes. The compressor comes on even before I crank the starter, taking the edge off of the battery for cranking. It's making me re-think the plan to remove the battery "boost" system. A second battery seems to make the difference.

Also, watching the battery voltage on the EFI screen, when the compressor kick-in it drops from 14.4 to 13.2V. Add the blower on "high" for the defroster in the morning and the battery isn't getting much of a charge.
 
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It's very possible you may have a tired starter. Everyone always says to check the battery, check the grounds, check the cables, etc--this is all very important, but didn't help in my case. I went through those exercises on my Glenbrook--even went as far as replacing the engine/batt ground and starter cable with 0AWG wire, going for a direct-wire approach to the starter rather than routing through the solenoids on the firewall, you name it. I was even thinking I had too much ignition advance on startup, and messed around with it too.

I was convinced it wasn't the starter. I had taken it apart and cleaned up the nasty looking commutator, brushes were good, solenoid contacts got cleaned out. It was kinda better for a while, but hot restarts started getting iffy again. I finally just ordered a $60 AC Delco starter from Rock Auto..holy smokes! That thing cranked like crazy after that!

It's making me re-think the plan to remove the battery "boost" system. A second battery seems to make the difference.
I definitely like having that present as a backup option, just in case I do something stupid to the engine battery.

Also, watching the battery voltage on the EFI screen, when the compressor kick-in it drops from 14.4 to 13.2V. Add the blower on "high" for the defroster in the morning and the battery isn't getting much of a charge.
Check the voltage on the actual battery during this condition. It's possible you're just seeing localized voltage drops due to shared grounds or shared power feeds between the EFI and the compressor. If that's the case, you may want to separate them.
 
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It's very possible you may have a tired starter. ...

I was convinced it wasn't the starter. I had taken it apart and cleaned up the nasty looking commutator, brushes were good, solenoid contacts got cleaned out. It was kinda better for a while, but hot restarts started getting iffy again. I finally just ordered a $60 AC Delco starter from Rock Auto..holy smokes! That thing cranked like crazy after that!
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Check the voltage on the actual battery during this condition. It's possible you're just seeing localized voltage drops due to shared grounds or shared power feeds between the EFI and the compressor. If that's the case, you may want to separate them.
I haven't check pricing for a starter; I assumed they were much more expensive. I'll just get a new one to refresh the system. :LOL:

The EFI system is not chassis-grounded; both +12 and grounds go directly to the battery. I wanted to give the system the best chance of working (many of the complaints about this system come down to poor voltage/connections). I'll relocate those connection one by one after an initial break-in period.
 
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I haven't check pricing for a starter; I assumed they were much more expensive. I'll just get a new one to refresh the system. :LOL:

The EFI system is not chassis-grounded; both +12 and grounds go directly to the battery. I wanted to give the system the best chance of working (many of the complaints about this system come down to poor voltage/connections). I'll relocate those connection one by one after an initial break-in period.

First take the battery to your local parts store and have them check it for free. It may just be time for a new battery.

If you really want to replace your starter, take it to your local starter generator rebuild shop. They will rebuild it with good quality parts and test it, making it as good as new and you'll know it will fit. The price will be less than a new store bought one.

(same with your alternator)
 
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First take the battery to your local parts store and have them check it for free. It may just be time for a new battery.

If you really want to replace your starter, take it to your local starter generator rebuild shop. They will rebuild it with good quality parts and test it, making it as good as new and you'll know it will fit. The price will be less than a new store bought one.

(same with your alternator)
I have installed three batteries since I acquired the coach in 2023. The only time the starter was happy was when I used "boost" or the batteries were freshly charged (plugged-in). The current battery is less than a year old.

I'll keep the current starter (who knows if it's a rebuilt or replacement), but a "new" starter sounds like a plan if they are that cheap.
 
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The EFI system is not chassis-grounded; both +12 and grounds go directly to the battery.
Never run any accessory ground direct to the battery (unless you are absolutely sure its power ground is floating internally).

The reason being is if your main ground wire to the engine block were to become faulty, current could find its way back through your ECM (or other device) and back to the battery ground. This high starter current could easily burn circuit board traces and the lighter wiring of your EFI system.

The engine block is the "mother of all grounds" and it should only be grounded there.

 
The price will be less than a new store bought one.
The last quote I got for a local starter rebuild was $240 several years ago. About 10 years ago I had one done for $70, but that place closed down when the owner retired. Maybe it's a West Coast problem, but it's not always easy to find a reasonable independent shop anymore. I'm hanging on to the original still just in case. The AC Delco starter was inexpensive enough and has worked great for the last few years.

I don't think I'd get a random brand from the local auto parts store though. I'd wonder about the quality.
 
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The last quote I got for a local starter rebuild was $240 several years ago. About 10 years ago I had one done for $70, but that place closed down when the owner retired. Maybe it's a West Coast problem, but it's not always easy to find a reasonable independent shop anymore. I'm hanging on to the original still just in case. The AC Delco starter was inexpensive enough and has worked great for the last few years.

I don't think I'd get a random brand from the local auto parts store though. I'd wonder about the quality.
I'm finding rebuilt Delco on RockAuto and AutoZone. $55 plus $25 shipping at Rock, $95 at AZ. That's without a core swap.
 
Has anyone installed a small high torque gear reduction starter motor? I wonder if they even make one......
When Paul Lambke got out of the GMC engine rebuilding business some years back he brought a list of parts for sale to Ernie Dankert's rally and he had one of those for sale. High dollar item! I'll ask him if he has a part number.
 
When Paul Lambke got out of the GMC engine rebuilding business some years back he brought a list of parts for sale to Ernie Dankert's rally and he had one of those for sale. High dollar item! I'll ask him if he has a part number.
Didn't hear back from Paul but JimK has one and you know it'll work.

 
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