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jim white

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just had a conversation with a mr.Luby concerning the fall
convention..informed me it would cost 260.00 for one day or
seven...should've called before i spent good money for all the
memberships.....
this gmc thing is not quite what i imagined....
jim
 
Jim
I'm not sure of the background of your statement, but I think you
can 'walk-in' for a lot less than 260!
Perhaps you could be someone's guest?

Mikeb

> just had a conversation with a mr.Luby concerning the fall
> convention..informed me it would cost 260.00 for one day or
> seven...should've called before i spent good money for all the
> memberships.....
> this gmc thing is not quite what i imagined....
> jim
>
>
>
>
>

gmcmail is a 'temporary' address for
Homebase
1977 Kingsley Antigonish, Nova Scotia

 
Jim,

Do you want to just visit the convention during the day or just camp for
one or two days? If you camping or staying somewhere else and making a
day visit I believe that day passes are available. (They were available
at Mrytle Beach) If you wish to camp at the convention then the charges
are as listed. It is very expensive to operate and run a convention of
this size with the services that are provided.

I am concerned that you are disappointed with GMC International. Going
to the convention for one or two days is like leaving a football game at
the half. What local GMC club do you belong to??? These people can be
a wealth of information on what to expect at conventions and planning.

We have owned our GMC for just over a year and joined our local GMC
club, GMC International and FMCA. We went to our first club rally and
were a little apprehensive on what to expect. Found a great group of
people, made new friends and great fellowship. Went to the Spring Rally
at Mrytle Beach and had a great time. Going to rally's takes planning
and you have to be willing to spend the time to do it right. Don't give
up, get out there and enjoy your GMC with other GMC'ers.

J.R.Wright
GMC GreatLaker
77 Eleganza II
Michigan

>
> just had a conversation with a mr.Luby concerning the fall
> convention..informed me it would cost 260.00 for one day or
> seven...should've called before i spent good money for all the
> memberships.....
> this gmc thing is not quite what i imagined....
> jim
 
I just looked at the convention program and the daily visitor fee is $15
per person for those who wish to enter the RV park or attend the
seminars. No camping or food service is provided.

J.R.

>
> Jim,
>
> Do you want to just visit the convention during the day or just camp for
> one or two days? If you camping or staying somewhere else and making a
> day visit I believe that day passes are available. (They were available
> at Mrytle Beach) If you wish to camp at the convention then the charges
> are as listed. It is very expensive to operate and run a convention of
> this size with the services that are provided.
>
> I am concerned that you are disappointed with GMC International. Going
> to the convention for one or two days is like leaving a football game at
> the half. What local GMC club do you belong to??? These people can be
> a wealth of information on what to expect at conventions and planning.
>
> We have owned our GMC for just over a year and joined our local GMC
> club, GMC International and FMCA. We went to our first club rally and
> were a little apprehensive on what to expect. Found a great group of
> people, made new friends and great fellowship. Went to the Spring Rally
> at Mrytle Beach and had a great time. Going to rally's takes planning
> and you have to be willing to spend the time to do it right. Don't give
> up, get out there and enjoy your GMC with other GMC'ers.
>
> J.R.Wright
> GMC GreatLaker
> 77 Eleganza II
> Michigan
>

> >
> > just had a conversation with a mr.Luby concerning the fall
> > convention..informed me it would cost 260.00 for one day or
> > seven...should've called before i spent good money for all the
> > memberships.....
> > this gmc thing is not quite what i imagined....
> > jim
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of John Wright
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 9:34 AM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: conv.
>
>
> Jim,
>
> Do you want to just visit the convention during the day or just camp for
> one or two days?
i was told i could pay for my conv. stay on a daily basis...so i join
everything,thinking i could be a part of it....what fun would it be to park
somewhere else and walk to the conv...

i live in s.d and i really dont think there's a club around here....i farm
and that's the reason for a short stay...busy time of the year...

It is very expensive to operate and run a convention of
> this size with the services that are provided.

i can understand this, however i belong to the ABS and WBS group's and they
have daily fee's...it's more expensive than the entire conv. fee, but at
least you have an option.

ive owned the EII for a little over one month..ive worked on it steady for
the last 4 weeks, with the idea of taking in the fall conv....sorry for
taking up valuable space on the list, but i had to vent..
jim
>
> I am concerned that you are disappointed with GMC International. Going
> to the convention for one or two days is like leaving a football game at
> the half. What local GMC club do you belong to??? These people can be
> a wealth of information on what to expect at conventions and planning.
>
> We have owned our GMC for just over a year and joined our local GMC
> club, GMC International and FMCA. We went to our first club rally and
> were a little apprehensive on what to expect. Found a great group of
> people, made new friends and great fellowship. Went to the Spring Rally
> at Mrytle Beach and had a great time. Going to rally's takes planning
> and you have to be willing to spend the time to do it right. Don't give
> up, get out there and enjoy your GMC with other GMC'ers.
>
> J.R.Wright
> GMC GreatLaker
> 77 Eleganza II
> Michigan
>
>
>

> >
> > just had a conversation with a mr.Luby concerning the fall
> > convention..informed me it would cost 260.00 for one day or
> > seven...should've called before i spent good money for all the
> > memberships.....
> > this gmc thing is not quite what i imagined....
> > jim
>
 
Ralph Luby lacks a lot of people skills. He should take a Dale Carnegie Course
on "How To Win Friends and Influence People".

Wayne Newland F9300 75 Palm Beach (I've been to a national convention and had
Ralph go balistic to me in front of others).

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> > [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of John Wright
> > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 9:34 AM
> > To: gmcmotorhome
> > Subject: Re: GMC: conv.
> >
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > Do you want to just visit the convention during the day or just camp for
> > one or two days?
> i was told i could pay for my conv. stay on a daily basis...so i join
> everything,thinking i could be a part of it....what fun would it be to park
> somewhere else and walk to the conv...
>
> i live in s.d and i really dont think there's a club around here....i farm
> and that's the reason for a short stay...busy time of the year...
>
> It is very expensive to operate and run a convention of
> > this size with the services that are provided.
>
> i can understand this, however i belong to the ABS and WBS group's and they
> have daily fee's...it's more expensive than the entire conv. fee, but at
> least you have an option.
>
> ive owned the EII for a little over one month..ive worked on it steady for
> the last 4 weeks, with the idea of taking in the fall conv....sorry for
> taking up valuable space on the list, but i had to vent..
> jim
> >
> > I am concerned that you are disappointed with GMC International. Going
> > to the convention for one or two days is like leaving a football game at
> > the half. What local GMC club do you belong to??? These people can be
> > a wealth of information on what to expect at conventions and planning.
> >
> > We have owned our GMC for just over a year and joined our local GMC
> > club, GMC International and FMCA. We went to our first club rally and
> > were a little apprehensive on what to expect. Found a great group of
> > people, made new friends and great fellowship. Went to the Spring Rally
> > at Mrytle Beach and had a great time. Going to rally's takes planning
> > and you have to be willing to spend the time to do it right. Don't give
> > up, get out there and enjoy your GMC with other GMC'ers.
> >
> > J.R.Wright
> > GMC GreatLaker
> > 77 Eleganza II
> > Michigan
> >
> >
> >

> > >
> > > just had a conversation with a mr.Luby concerning the fall
> > > convention..informed me it would cost 260.00 for one day or
> > > seven...should've called before i spent good money for all the
> > > memberships.....
> > > this gmc thing is not quite what i imagined....
> > > jim
> >
 
Jim
I think that you will find that most of us don't have a local club in our
back yard. Yours seems to be in Minn. for the Dakotas and other states (The
Greater Midwest Classics). We live in Idaho and our club the Cascaders is
based in Seattle Wash. I think if you become aquatinted with some of the
members over the Internet you will enjoy yourself. You will find a list of
member's e-mail address along with the GMC International Literature.
Try to go to some of their rallies and you will find all GMC'ers are
wonderful helpful people.And you won't find a greater group of people then
here at GMCNet. Rallies are held all times of the year and many of the club
rallies are held over the weekend give or take a day or two and are quite
reasonable. So If you haven't already joined your local club Midwest
Classics do so and start enjoying.

Bud and Marlene Meineken
77 Palm Beach

- ----- Original Message -----
From: jim white
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: GMC: conv.

>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> > [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of John Wright
> > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 9:34 AM
> > To: gmcmotorhome
> > Subject: Re: GMC: conv.
> >
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > Do you want to just visit the convention during the day or just camp for
> > one or two days?
> i was told i could pay for my conv. stay on a daily basis...so i join
> everything,thinking i could be a part of it....what fun would it be to
park
> somewhere else and walk to the conv...
>
> i live in s.d and i really dont think there's a club around here....i farm
> and that's the reason for a short stay...busy time of the year...
>
> It is very expensive to operate and run a convention of
> > this size with the services that are provided.
>
> i can understand this, however i belong to the ABS and WBS group's and
they
> have daily fee's...it's more expensive than the entire conv. fee, but at
> least you have an option.
>
> ive owned the EII for a little over one month..ive worked on it steady for
> the last 4 weeks, with the idea of taking in the fall conv....sorry for
> taking up valuable space on the list, but i had to vent..
> jim
> >
> > I am concerned that you are disappointed with GMC International. Going
> > to the convention for one or two days is like leaving a football game at
> > the half. What local GMC club do you belong to??? These people can be
> > a wealth of information on what to expect at conventions and planning.
> >
> > We have owned our GMC for just over a year and joined our local GMC
> > club, GMC International and FMCA. We went to our first club rally and
> > were a little apprehensive on what to expect. Found a great group of
> > people, made new friends and great fellowship. Went to the Spring Rally
> > at Mrytle Beach and had a great time. Going to rally's takes planning
> > and you have to be willing to spend the time to do it right. Don't give
> > up, get out there and enjoy your GMC with other GMC'ers.
> >
> > J.R.Wright
> > GMC GreatLaker
> > 77 Eleganza II
> > Michigan
> >
> >
> >

> > >
> > > just had a conversation with a mr.Luby concerning the fall
> > > convention..informed me it would cost 260.00 for one day or
> > > seven...should've called before i spent good money for all the
> > > memberships.....
> > > this gmc thing is not quite what i imagined....
> > > jim
> >
>
>
 
thanks for the invite...ill do my best...
jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of mr.c
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 11:57 PM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: conv.
>
>
> Jim, I am not going to National, but I am hosting an GMC roundup
> in Albuquerque
> NM from Oct 5 to 10. Have 140 coaches coming, and lots of good
> tech sessions.
> See if you can come and be a part of our crowd.
> al
>

>
> > Jim
> > I think that you will find that most of us don't have a local
> club in our
> > back yard. Yours seems to be in Minn. for the Dakotas and other
> states (The
> > Greater Midwest Classics). We live in Idaho and our club the
> Cascaders is
> > based in Seattle Wash. I think if you become aquatinted with some of the
> > members over the Internet you will enjoy yourself. You will
> find a list of
> > member's e-mail address along with the GMC International Literature.
> > Try to go to some of their rallies and you will find all GMC'ers are
> > wonderful helpful people.And you won't find a greater group of
> people then
> > here at GMCNet. Rallies are held all times of the year and many
> of the club
> > rallies are held over the weekend give or take a day or two and
> are quite
> > reasonable. So If you haven't already joined your local club Midwest
> > Classics do so and start enjoying.
> >
> > Bud and Marlene Meineken
> > 77 Palm Beach
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jim white
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 10:18 AM
> > Subject: RE: GMC: conv.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> > > > [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of John Wright
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 9:34 AM
> > > > To: gmcmotorhome
> > > > Subject: Re: GMC: conv.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jim,
> > > >
> > > > Do you want to just visit the convention during the day or
> just camp for
> > > > one or two days?
> > > i was told i could pay for my conv. stay on a daily basis...so i join
> > > everything,thinking i could be a part of it....what fun would it be to
> > park
> > > somewhere else and walk to the conv...
> > >
> > > i live in s.d and i really dont think there's a club around
> here....i farm
> > > and that's the reason for a short stay...busy time of the year...
> > >
> > > It is very expensive to operate and run a convention of
> > > > this size with the services that are provided.
> > >
> > > i can understand this, however i belong to the ABS and WBS group's and
> > they
> > > have daily fee's...it's more expensive than the entire conv.
> fee, but at
> > > least you have an option.
> > >
> > > ive owned the EII for a little over one month..ive worked on
> it steady for
> > > the last 4 weeks, with the idea of taking in the fall
> conv....sorry for
> > > taking up valuable space on the list, but i had to vent..
> > > jim
> > > >
> > > > I am concerned that you are disappointed with GMC
> International. Going
> > > > to the convention for one or two days is like leaving a
> football game at
> > > > the half. What local GMC club do you belong to??? These
> people can be
> > > > a wealth of information on what to expect at conventions
> and planning.
> > > >
> > > > We have owned our GMC for just over a year and joined our local GMC
> > > > club, GMC International and FMCA. We went to our first
> club rally and
> > > > were a little apprehensive on what to expect. Found a
> great group of
> > > > people, made new friends and great fellowship. Went to the
> Spring Rally
> > > > at Mrytle Beach and had a great time. Going to rally's
> takes planning
> > > > and you have to be willing to spend the time to do it
> right. Don't give
> > > > up, get out there and enjoy your GMC with other GMC'ers.
> > > >
> > > > J.R.Wright
> > > > GMC GreatLaker
> > > > 77 Eleganza II
> > > > Michigan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

> > > > >
> > > > > just had a conversation with a mr.Luby concerning the fall
> > > > > convention..informed me it would cost 260.00 for one day or
> > > > > seven...should've called before i spent good money for all the
> > > > > memberships.....
> > > > > this gmc thing is not quite what i imagined....
> > > > > jim
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
 
Jim, I am not going to National, but I am hosting an GMC roundup in Albuquerque
NM from Oct 5 to 10. Have 140 coaches coming, and lots of good tech sessions.
See if you can come and be a part of our crowd.
al

> Jim
> I think that you will find that most of us don't have a local club in our
> back yard. Yours seems to be in Minn. for the Dakotas and other states (The
> Greater Midwest Classics). We live in Idaho and our club the Cascaders is
> based in Seattle Wash. I think if you become aquatinted with some of the
> members over the Internet you will enjoy yourself. You will find a list of
> member's e-mail address along with the GMC International Literature.
> Try to go to some of their rallies and you will find all GMC'ers are
> wonderful helpful people.And you won't find a greater group of people then
> here at GMCNet. Rallies are held all times of the year and many of the club
> rallies are held over the weekend give or take a day or two and are quite
> reasonable. So If you haven't already joined your local club Midwest
> Classics do so and start enjoying.
>
> Bud and Marlene Meineken
> 77 Palm Beach
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jim white
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 10:18 AM
> Subject: RE: GMC: conv.
>
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> > > [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of John Wright
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 9:34 AM
> > > To: gmcmotorhome
> > > Subject: Re: GMC: conv.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > Do you want to just visit the convention during the day or just camp for
> > > one or two days?
> > i was told i could pay for my conv. stay on a daily basis...so i join
> > everything,thinking i could be a part of it....what fun would it be to
> park
> > somewhere else and walk to the conv...
> >
> > i live in s.d and i really dont think there's a club around here....i farm
> > and that's the reason for a short stay...busy time of the year...
> >
> > It is very expensive to operate and run a convention of
> > > this size with the services that are provided.
> >
> > i can understand this, however i belong to the ABS and WBS group's and
> they
> > have daily fee's...it's more expensive than the entire conv. fee, but at
> > least you have an option.
> >
> > ive owned the EII for a little over one month..ive worked on it steady for
> > the last 4 weeks, with the idea of taking in the fall conv....sorry for
> > taking up valuable space on the list, but i had to vent..
> > jim
> > >
> > > I am concerned that you are disappointed with GMC International. Going
> > > to the convention for one or two days is like leaving a football game at
> > > the half. What local GMC club do you belong to??? These people can be
> > > a wealth of information on what to expect at conventions and planning.
> > >
> > > We have owned our GMC for just over a year and joined our local GMC
> > > club, GMC International and FMCA. We went to our first club rally and
> > > were a little apprehensive on what to expect. Found a great group of
> > > people, made new friends and great fellowship. Went to the Spring Rally
> > > at Mrytle Beach and had a great time. Going to rally's takes planning
> > > and you have to be willing to spend the time to do it right. Don't give
> > > up, get out there and enjoy your GMC with other GMC'ers.
> > >
> > > J.R.Wright
> > > GMC GreatLaker
> > > 77 Eleganza II
> > > Michigan
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > > >
> > > > just had a conversation with a mr.Luby concerning the fall
> > > > convention..informed me it would cost 260.00 for one day or
> > > > seven...should've called before i spent good money for all the
> > > > memberships.....
> > > > this gmc thing is not quite what i imagined....
> > > > jim
> > >
> >
> >
 
Wayne:

What does a Dale Carnegie course have to do with people skills??? I know a
half dozen individuals at work who've taken the course in the past couple
years and haven't seen any difference in their behavior from beforehand.

Paul Bartz

From: Wayne Newland [mailto:wayne]
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 1:31 PM
To: gmcmotorhome
Subject: Re: GMC: conv.

Ralph Luby lacks a lot of people skills. He should take a Dale Carnegie
Course
on "How To Win Friends and Influence People".

Wayne Newland F9300 75 Palm Beach (I've been to a national convention and
had
Ralph go balistic to me in front of others).

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> > [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of John Wright
> > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 9:34 AM
> > To: gmcmotorhome
> > Subject: Re: GMC: conv.
> >
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > Do you want to just visit the convention during the day or just camp for
> > one or two days?
> i was told i could pay for my conv. stay on a daily basis...so i join
> everything,thinking i could be a part of it....what fun would it be to
park
> somewhere else and walk to the conv...
>
> i live in s.d and i really dont think there's a club around here....i farm
> and that's the reason for a short stay...busy time of the year...
>
> It is very expensive to operate and run a convention of
> > this size with the services that are provided.
>
> i can understand this, however i belong to the ABS and WBS group's and
they
> have daily fee's...it's more expensive than the entire conv. fee, but at
> least you have an option.
>
> ive owned the EII for a little over one month..ive worked on it steady for
> the last 4 weeks, with the idea of taking in the fall conv....sorry for
> taking up valuable space on the list, but i had to vent..
> jim
> >
> > I am concerned that you are disappointed with GMC International. Going
> > to the convention for one or two days is like leaving a football game at
> > the half. What local GMC club do you belong to??? These people can be
> > a wealth of information on what to expect at conventions and planning.
> >
> > We have owned our GMC for just over a year and joined our local GMC
> > club, GMC International and FMCA. We went to our first club rally and
> > were a little apprehensive on what to expect. Found a great group of
> > people, made new friends and great fellowship. Went to the Spring Rally
> > at Mrytle Beach and had a great time. Going to rally's takes planning
> > and you have to be willing to spend the time to do it right. Don't give
> > up, get out there and enjoy your GMC with other GMC'ers.
> >
> > J.R.Wright
> > GMC GreatLaker
> > 77 Eleganza II
> > Michigan
> >
> >
> >

> > >
> > > just had a conversation with a mr.Luby concerning the fall
> > > convention..informed me it would cost 260.00 for one day or
> > > seven...should've called before i spent good money for all the
> > > memberships.....
> > > this gmc thing is not quite what i imagined....
> > > jim
> >
 
Paul

I guessthat some people have to be hit over the head to get their attention.
Some get the message from hearing others stories. And there is reading in
preparation for the next class. I guess that the bottom line is, you have to
want to improve.

Wayne Newland former inst with Dale Carnegie Sales Course

> Wayne:
>
> What does a Dale Carnegie course have to do with people skills??? I know a
> half dozen individuals at work who've taken the course in the past couple
> years and haven't seen any difference in their behavior from beforehand.
>
> Paul Bartz
>
> From: Wayne Newland [mailto:wayne]
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 1:31 PM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: conv.
>
> Ralph Luby lacks a lot of people skills. He should take a Dale Carnegie
> Course
> on "How To Win Friends and Influence People".
>
> Wayne Newland F9300 75 Palm Beach (I've been to a national convention and
> had
> Ralph go balistic to me in front of others).
>

>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> > > [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of John Wright
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 9:34 AM
> > > To: gmcmotorhome
> > > Subject: Re: GMC: conv.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > Do you want to just visit the convention during the day or just camp for
> > > one or two days?
> > i was told i could pay for my conv. stay on a daily basis...so i join
> > everything,thinking i could be a part of it....what fun would it be to
> park
> > somewhere else and walk to the conv...
> >
> > i live in s.d and i really dont think there's a club around here....i farm
> > and that's the reason for a short stay...busy time of the year...
> >
> > It is very expensive to operate and run a convention of
> > > this size with the services that are provided.
> >
> > i can understand this, however i belong to the ABS and WBS group's and
> they
> > have daily fee's...it's more expensive than the entire conv. fee, but at
> > least you have an option.
> >
> > ive owned the EII for a little over one month..ive worked on it steady for
> > the last 4 weeks, with the idea of taking in the fall conv....sorry for
> > taking up valuable space on the list, but i had to vent..
> > jim
> > >
> > > I am concerned that you are disappointed with GMC International. Going
> > > to the convention for one or two days is like leaving a football game at
> > > the half. What local GMC club do you belong to??? These people can be
> > > a wealth of information on what to expect at conventions and planning.
> > >
> > > We have owned our GMC for just over a year and joined our local GMC
> > > club, GMC International and FMCA. We went to our first club rally and
> > > were a little apprehensive on what to expect. Found a great group of
> > > people, made new friends and great fellowship. Went to the Spring Rally
> > > at Mrytle Beach and had a great time. Going to rally's takes planning
> > > and you have to be willing to spend the time to do it right. Don't give
> > > up, get out there and enjoy your GMC with other GMC'ers.
> > >
> > > J.R.Wright
> > > GMC GreatLaker
> > > 77 Eleganza II
> > > Michigan
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > > >
> > > > just had a conversation with a mr.Luby concerning the fall
> > > > convention..informed me it would cost 260.00 for one day or
> > > > seven...should've called before i spent good money for all the
> > > > memberships.....
> > > > this gmc thing is not quite what i imagined....
> > > > jim
> > >
 
Max:

Are you able to shed any light on Jim's predicament (i. e. rationale for
GMCMI convention policy, or lack of, day-by-day parking)?? For those who
don't know it, Max is the current GMCMI president and monitors the GMCnet.

Paul Bartz

From: Wayne Newland [mailto:wayne]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: conv.

Paul
I guess that some people have to be hit over the head to get their
attention. Some get the message from hearing others stories. And there is
reading in preparation for the next class. I guess that the bottom line is,
you have to want to improve.
Wayne Newland former inst with Dale Carnegie Sales Course

Wayne:
What does a Dale Carnegie course have to do with people skills??? I know a
half dozen individuals at work who've taken the course in the past couple
years and haven't seen any difference in their behavior from beforehand.
Paul Bartz
From: Wayne Newland [mailto:wayne]

Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: conv.
Ralph Luby lacks a lot of people skills. He should take a Dale Carnegie
Course on "How To Win Friends and Influence People".
Wayne Newland F9300 75 Palm Beach (I've been to a national convention and
had Ralph go balistic to me in front of others).

From: owner-gmcmotorhome
On Behalf Of John Wright
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: GMC: conv.
Jim,
Do you want to just visit the convention during the day or just camp for one
or two days?
i was told i could pay for my conv. stay on a daily basis...so i join
everything, thinking i could be a part of it....what fun would it be to park
somewhere else and walk to the conv...
i live in s.d and i really dont think there's a club around here....i farm
and that's the reason for a short stay...busy time of the year...
It is very expensive to operate and run a convention of this size with the
services that are provided. i can understand this, however i belong to the
ABS and WBS group's and they have daily fee's...it's more expensive than the
entire conv. fee, but at least you have an option.
ive owned the EII for a little over one month..ive worked on it steady for
the last 4 weeks, with the idea of taking in the fall conv....sorry for
taking up valuable space on the list, but i had to vent..
jim
I am concerned that you are disappointed with GMC International. Going to
the convention for one or two days is like leaving a football game at the
half. What local GMC club do you belong to??? These people can be a wealth
of information on what to expect at conventions and planning.
We have owned our GMC for just over a year and joined our local GMC club,
GMC International and FMCA. We went to our first club rally and were a
little apprehensive on what to expect. Found a great group of people, made
new friends and great fellowship. Went to the Spring Rally at Myrtle Beach
and had a great time. Going to rally's takes planning and you have to be
willing to spend the time to do it right. Don't give up, get out there and
enjoy your GMC with other GMC'ers.
J.R.Wright

just had a conversation with a mr.Luby concerning the fall convention.
informed me it would cost 260.00 for one day or seven...should've called
before i spent good money for all the memberships.....
this gmc thing is not quite what i imagined....
 
I agree that the "All Or None" convention parking discriminates against
those of us who must still work for a living, but I imagine it's mainly a
matter of cost and logistics. The cost for a convention is set by the total
number of attendees. If GMCMI blocks out 200 sites for the week, they won't
get any break if a quarter of them are empty most of the week. Also,
catering arrangements are based on the total number. Keeping the current
day-passers(who don't have food privileges) separate from those that pay for
the week is simple enough with different badges, but keeping partial week
visitors straight would be a logistic nightmare. Sure, there are ways
around these problems, but it's possible that GMCMI doesn't deem it worth
the additional workload on the volunteer staff(AFAIK, Ralph's the only paid
staffer).

I would like to see some alternatives as it's doubtful that I will be able
to attend an entire convention until after I retire - that's quite a few
years down the pike, but it's hard to see how it would be in GMCMI's
interest to make changes.

Patrick
 
Perhaps as the demographics of the members change (getting younger and not
retired), we should start raising this type of question. If there were some
spots set aside for part timers or if arrangements could be made with the RV
park for additional quasi reserved sites - first come first served arrangements,
but perhaps not always available. These sites might be on the fringe or in
another area of the park if available.

The International needs to be Member oriented, not volunteer oriented or there
will only an elite group that will attend. If we need to hire someone at the
convention to take care of this on a part time basis, last I looked the
international was not poor.

The International and the locals (most locals already do) should be doing
everything possible to recruit more foolhardy people and make it as easy as
possible to see what all the fun is about.

Maybe the convention should have an "Open House Day". Let the SOB's see what we
are so crazy over.

New blood and fresh ideas keep an organization alive and vital.

A little revolution now and then is a good thing.

Marcus

> I agree that the "All Or None" convention parking discriminates against
> those of us who must still work for a living, but I imagine it's mainly a
> matter of cost and logistics. The cost for a convention is set by the total
> number of attendees. If GMCMI blocks out 200 sites for the week, they won't
> get any break if a quarter of them are empty most of the week. Also,
> catering arrangements are based on the total number. Keeping the current
> day-passers(who don't have food privileges) separate from those that pay for
> the week is simple enough with different badges, but keeping partial week
> visitors straight would be a logistic nightmare. Sure, there are ways
> around these problems, but it's possible that GMCMI doesn't deem it worth
> the additional workload on the volunteer staff(AFAIK, Ralph's the only paid
> staffer).
>
> I would like to see some alternatives as it's doubtful that I will be able
> to attend an entire convention until after I retire - that's quite a few
> years down the pike, but it's hard to see how it would be in GMCMI's
> interest to make changes.
>
> Patrick
 
Marcus:

Anyone who has suggestions, complaints, etc., about any aspect of GMCMI
should not hesitate to communicate those to the heirarchy. Assuming you
belong to GMCMI, in addition to the usual president, etc. officers, there
are nine regional vice presidents and a full time administrator available to
talk to. I believe their contact info can be found on HTTP://www.gmcmi.com.

Their usual pitch is that they do not receive much feedback from the
members.

In addition, during each convention, each regional VP conducts a meeting to
solicit ideas. You can also talk to them any time each day of the
convention.

I recommend you, and anyone else wishing to, take advantage of the above
resources to express your ideas.

Paul Bartz

- -----Original Message-----
From: Marcus McGee
To: gmcmotorhome
Sent: 8/30/99 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: conv.

Perhaps as the demographics of the members change (getting younger and
not
retired), we should start raising this type of question. If there were
some
spots set aside for part timers or if arrangements could be made with
the RV
park for additional quasi reserved sites - first come first served
arrangements,
but perhaps not always available. These sites might be on the fringe or
in
another area of the park if available.

The International needs to be Member oriented, not volunteer oriented or
there
will only an elite group that will attend. If we need to hire someone
at the
convention to take care of this on a part time basis, last I looked the
international was not poor.

The International and the locals (most locals already do) should be
doing
everything possible to recruit more foolhardy people and make it as easy
as
possible to see what all the fun is about.

Maybe the convention should have an "Open House Day". Let the SOB's see
what we
are so crazy over.

New blood and fresh ideas keep an organization alive and vital.

A little revolution now and then is a good thing.

Marcus

> I agree that the "All Or None" convention parking discriminates
against
> those of us who must still work for a living, but I imagine it's
mainly a
> matter of cost and logistics. The cost for a convention is set by the
total
> number of attendees. If GMCMI blocks out 200 sites for the week, they
won't
> get any break if a quarter of them are empty most of the week. Also,
> catering arrangements are based on the total number. Keeping the
current
> day-passers(who don't have food privileges) separate from those that
pay for
> the week is simple enough with different badges, but keeping partial
week
> visitors straight would be a logistic nightmare. Sure, there are ways
> around these problems, but it's possible that GMCMI doesn't deem it
worth
> the additional workload on the volunteer staff(AFAIK, Ralph's the only
paid
> staffer).
>
> I would like to see some alternatives as it's doubtful that I will be
able
> to attend an entire convention until after I retire - that's quite a
few
> years down the pike, but it's hard to see how it would be in GMCMI's
> interest to make changes.
>
> Patrick
 
Once more I gotta agree with you, Arch. If he can monitor, he can input. I
never was much of a sheep either. Or as Phillip Marlowe said in "The Big
Sleep," "I test high for insubordination."

Travis

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gcbr
To: gmcmotorhome
Date: Monday, August 30, 1999 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: conv.

>In a message dated 8/30/99 9:13:05 PM Central Daylight Time, ELUBO
>writes:
>
>>
>> I think that it's wonderful that he monitors the net, he will see how
some
>> of
>> the members feel and that is good for the organization.
>>
>ED
>
>I think it is wonderful that he looks at what we fight out everyday. Damn
>now I feel like a gladiator. We all fight it out down in the pits and he
just
>watches. I am sorry if I offend some of you but the thought of some high
>person just watching us slug it out here really burns my A**. Never was
>much of a company man. If you want the benefits of the net you got to
>get down here and get dirty.
>
>Take Care
>Arch
>
 
Justin:

Are you aware that the Board of Governors now sets his pay, etc?? It's not
as autocratic now as it formerly was!

Paul Bartz

From: GMC77PB
Sent: 8/30/99 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: conv.

Patrick
I hear what you say. The problem with GMCIN is the abrasive
personality of
the person in charge. His way, take it or leave it. I spent most of my
working years managing a trade association with an annual convention
attendance of around 10,000. I know the headaches involved in runnin.g a

convention. I also know that those managing the convention need to be
attuned to the needs and wishes of the attendees. Costs must be covered
of
course, but as someone has suggested, GMC ownership seems to be getting
younger and that may well call for new ideas. I remember seeing a
slogan
once that I think is appropriate. It said "So long as you know you are
green, you will grow. When you think you are ripe, you begin to get
rotten"!
Justin
 
Thanks Paul for passing the message long. Have not been able to look
over all the lists due to getting ready for the Forest City convention.

Jim, I'm very sorry you had an unfavorable experience when talking to
our Administrative Director. I will discuss the issue with him when he
returns from looking over our fall 2000 convention site.

We do have a day to day plan for folks that want to attend for just a
couple of the days. However, it does not include a campsite. It's $15
per day per person and a badge is issued at the gate. It includes all
activities except catered meals, ice cream socials, and entertainment.
Visitor vehicles, including coaches, are locate and parked outside of
the campground area to reduce traffic and parking congestion around
activities.

Based on your needs, it appears we should look into providing this kind
of service. I will add to our Board of Directors agenda for Forest
City. Most of our convention campgrounds charge us a fee per site for
the entire week. So if a coach is only located on the site for two
days, we pay for the entire week. However, over the past several years
we have been to at least one campground I know of that allowed us to
only pay for sties occupied per day. In addition, GMCMI would need to
find a way to prorate expenses based on the day(s) attended due to some
days are with and without catered meals, ice cream socials,
entertainment, etc.

Again Jim, I apologize for your unfavorable experience. Please accept
my personal invitation to attend the Forest City convention. The GMCMI
members are a great group of folks. If you would like to call me, my
home phone number is 715-477-1425.

Max

Max E. Rockafellow
President, GMC Motorhomes International

WebSite: http://www.gmcmi.com

Mailto:gmcmi

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Bartz, Paul
To:
Cc: 'Max E. Rockafellow'
Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: GMC: conv.

> Max:
>
> Are you able to shed any light on Jim's predicament (i. e. rationale
for
> GMCMI convention policy, or lack of, day-by-day parking)?? For those
who
> don't know it, Max is the current GMCMI president and monitors the
GMCnet.
>
> Paul Bartz
>
> From: Wayne Newland [mailto:wayne]
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: GMC: conv.
>
> Paul
> I guess that some people have to be hit over the head to get their
> attention. Some get the message from hearing others stories. And
there is
> reading in preparation for the next class. I guess that the bottom
line is,
> you have to want to improve.
> Wayne Newland former inst with Dale Carnegie Sales Course

> Wayne:
> What does a Dale Carnegie course have to do with people skills??? I
know a
> half dozen individuals at work who've taken the course in the past
couple
> years and haven't seen any difference in their behavior from
beforehand.
> Paul Bartz
> From: Wayne Newland [mailto:wayne]

>
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: GMC: conv.
> Ralph Luby lacks a lot of people skills. He should take a Dale
Carnegie
> Course on "How To Win Friends and Influence People".
> Wayne Newland F9300 75 Palm Beach (I've been to a national convention
and
> had Ralph go balistic to me in front of others).

> From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> On Behalf Of John Wright
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 9:34 AM
> Subject: Re: GMC: conv.
> Jim,
> Do you want to just visit the convention during the day or just camp
for one
> or two days?
> i was told i could pay for my conv. stay on a daily basis...so i join
> everything, thinking i could be a part of it....what fun would it be
to park
> somewhere else and walk to the conv...
> i live in s.d and i really dont think there's a club around here....i
farm
> and that's the reason for a short stay...busy time of the year...
> It is very expensive to operate and run a convention of this size with
the
> services that are provided. i can understand this, however i belong
to the
> ABS and WBS group's and they have daily fee's...it's more expensive
than the
> entire conv. fee, but at least you have an option.
> ive owned the EII for a little over one month..ive worked on it steady
for
> the last 4 weeks, with the idea of taking in the fall conv....sorry
for
> taking up valuable space on the list, but i had to vent..
> jim
> I am concerned that you are disappointed with GMC International.
Going to
> the convention for one or two days is like leaving a football game at
the
> half. What local GMC club do you belong to??? These people can be a
wealth
> of information on what to expect at conventions and planning.
> We have owned our GMC for just over a year and joined our local GMC
club,
> GMC International and FMCA. We went to our first club rally and were
a
> little apprehensive on what to expect. Found a great group of people,
made
> new friends and great fellowship. Went to the Spring Rally at Myrtle
Beach
> and had a great time. Going to rally's takes planning and you have to
be
> willing to spend the time to do it right. Don't give up, get out
there and
> enjoy your GMC with other GMC'ers.
> J.R.Wright

> just had a conversation with a mr.Luby concerning the fall convention.
> informed me it would cost 260.00 for one day or seven...should've
called
> before i spent good money for all the memberships.....
> this gmc thing is not quite what i imagined....
>
 
Max
thank you for your reply....i should apologize, if i gave the impression i
had a bad experience with Mr.Luby... i did not ....i was disappointed in the
fact there where no options to be with the group and activities on a shorter
time frame...i just dont like the idea of being a member and then have to
camp in the local park and comute to the daily activities....i really wish i
had'nt opened this can of worms...ill just pay my 260.00 for the two days
and forget about it...who knows maybe it will rain in s.d. and ill be able
to spend the whole week.....again im sorry if i led people to believe i had
a problem with Mr.Luby...
regards
jim