Bearings

Dave Lenzi's are sized to last as well.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Jim Kanomata
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 11:28 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings

Lot of people rent the bearing tool and have the shop forman call me so I
can guide them on the front. Majority of the time the knuckles will need to be replaced as they will be loose fit.
You can get the rebuilt one from Dave Lezi or us as we size them to last.
As Jim Hupy mentioned, check the rear for play in the arm.
The rear is a snap to grease. Yes if you have the time , do it properly or just grease it .
I have observed Penski lub their fleet, they never lift it at all.
Better to have ome rease than to run dry till you have time to do it right.

Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
 
Again a play in words, I did not imply that ours is the oly one.
I guess the word we could have been applied better.

> Dave Lenzi's are sized to last as well.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Jim
> Kanomata
> Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 11:28 AM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
>
> Lot of people rent the bearing tool and have the shop forman call me so I
> can guide them on the front. Majority of the time the knuckles will need
> to be replaced as they will be loose fit.
> You can get the rebuilt one from Dave Lezi or us as we size them to last.
> As Jim Hupy mentioned, check the rear for play in the arm.
> The rear is a snap to grease. Yes if you have the time , do it properly or
> just grease it .
> I have observed Penski lub their fleet, they never lift it at all.
> Better to have ome rease than to run dry till you have time to do it right.
>
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
>
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yes...have considered that....but was hoping somewhere closer not so commercial more like one person operation.brian 77 ele 455

________________________________
From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy
Sent: January 7, 2018 4:45 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings

You are not too far from Cinnabar. $$$ but they do know GMC's.
Jim Hupy

> been through this but thanks for the suggestions...new BFG radial 16 inch
> with new alcoas varied psi...no change...new hub extensions on and
> off...no change....new relay and pitmann and alignment and other pivot
> point arm (forget name)...no change and steering linkage and steering cv
> new lube and tolerences checked and taken off and tried and tried different
> positions on that blue telescoping shaft and everything is tight and no
> change...steering box maybe next but would like to do the front wheell
> bearings anyway..... by driving it somewhere......where???..Brian 77 ele 455
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy <
> jamesh1296>
> Sent: January 7, 2018 4:27 PM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
>
> How about tires? Are you running all steel belts, or steel belt treads with
> rag sidewalls? Inflation pressures?
> Jim Hupy
>

>
> replaced the rear bearings and did all measurements on the bogies ....solid
> tight and nothing bent...Brian 77 ele 455
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy <
> jamesh1296>
> Sent: January 7, 2018 3:59 PM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
>
> Brian, remember this point. "When you can't figure out why you coach won't
> steer, look to the rear end. The back end CAN and DOES steer the coach."
> Particularly the forward bogies.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>

>
> > I have not used my 77 gmc elegansa mostly because the steering is so
> > bad...I have replaced most components ordered from Dave L.....might
> replace
> > the steering box next...I have discussed steering issues with the gmcnet
> in
> > the past. I have new front bearings and seals from Jim K. I bought them
> a
> > few years ago but decided not to install them as I know I am not
> > qualified...So my question...Me and the gmc are situated near Winnipeg
> > Manitoba Canada...grand forks Noth Dakota 125mi. or so south...Where is
> the
> > closest place I could drive this coach to have someone qualified do front
> > wheel bearings etc with grease fittings?..
> >
> > brian 77 ele 455
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No I do not know of those 2 guys...how would I contact them?...where are they?...who in or around twin cities...dave L. could not think of anyone ther e when I talked to him bout 1.5 year ago....Brian 77 ele winnipeg

________________________________
From: Gmclist on behalf of Billy Massey
Sent: January 7, 2018 5:11 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings

Have you checked with Tom Struthers and or Harold Kihn? Otherwise, nearest
agglomeration of GMCers in the know would be around the twin cities.

> You are not too far from Cinnabar. $$$ but they do know GMC's.
> Jim Hupy
>

>
> > been through this but thanks for the suggestions...new BFG radial 16 inch
> > with new alcoas varied psi...no change...new hub extensions on and
> > off...no change....new relay and pitmann and alignment and other pivot
> > point arm (forget name)...no change and steering linkage and steering cv
> > new lube and tolerences checked and taken off and tried and tried
> different
> > positions on that blue telescoping shaft and everything is tight and no
> > change...steering box maybe next but would like to do the front wheell
> > bearings anyway..... by driving it somewhere......where???..Brian 77 ele
> 455
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy
> <
> > jamesh1296>
> > Sent: January 7, 2018 4:27 PM
> > To: gmclist
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
> >
> > How about tires? Are you running all steel belts, or steel belt treads
> with
> > rag sidewalls? Inflation pressures?
> > Jim Hupy
> >

> >
> > replaced the rear bearings and did all measurements on the bogies
> ....solid
> > tight and nothing bent...Brian 77 ele 455
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy
> <
> > jamesh1296>
> > Sent: January 7, 2018 3:59 PM
> > To: gmclist
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
> >
> > Brian, remember this point. "When you can't figure out why you coach
> won't
> > steer, look to the rear end. The back end CAN and DOES steer the coach."
> > Particularly the forward bogies.
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, Or
> > 78 GMC ROYALE 403
> >

> >
> > > I have not used my 77 gmc elegansa mostly because the steering is so
> > > bad...I have replaced most components ordered from Dave L.....might
> > replace
> > > the steering box next...I have discussed steering issues with the
> gmcnet
> > in
> > > the past. I have new front bearings and seals from Jim K. I bought
> them
> > a
> > > few years ago but decided not to install them as I know I am not
> > > qualified...So my question...Me and the gmc are situated near Winnipeg
> > > Manitoba Canada...grand forks Noth Dakota 125mi. or so south...Where is
> > the
> > > closest place I could drive this coach to have someone qualified do
> front
> > > wheel bearings etc with grease fittings?..
> > >
> > > brian 77 ele 455
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yea I am familiar with what you say....my friend owns a milling machine shop..I have talked to Dave L...I know I could send them out...just would like a expert like Dave take them apart and inspect...then might even go 1 ton if I know the condition of thing including cv etcs...Brian 77 ele 455

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From: Gmclist on behalf of Rob Mueller
Sent: January 7, 2018 5:15 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings

Brian,

When you disassemble the hubs and knuckles you MUST check surfaces that the bearings ride on (the bore of the knuckle and the OD of
the hub). They must be true, square, and concentric. Quite often the bore of the knuckle has been elongated and is oval vertically.
The knuckles were bored with a pointed tool which results in a support area that looks like this a string of WWWWWWW's. The outer
bearing races are supported by the points of the W which "flatten out" over time. The OD of the hub can be tapered as well.

It seems to me that you might want to consider contacting Dave Lenzi and have him ship you complete hub, knuckle, and disk
assemblies with a zerk installed. You could have a local garage remove the existing assemblies from the upper and lower ball joints
which is reasonably straight forward.

Dave's hubs and knuckles are ground to make them true, square, and concentric. Material is flame sprayed on the ground surfaces and
then ground to the correct dimensions.

He supplies brake disks with four bolt holes sourced from Cinnabar which are made in the USA and are not re-drilled units from
China.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808

-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Brian Waddell
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 9:07 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: [GMCnet] bearings

I have not used my 77 gmc elegansa mostly because the steering is so bad...I have replaced most components ordered from Dave
L.....might replace the steering box next...I have discussed steering issues with the gmcnet in the past. I have new front bearings
and seals from Jim K. I bought them a few years ago but decided not to install them as I know I am not qualified...So my
question...Me and the gmc are situated near Winnipeg Manitoba Canada...grand forks Noth Dakota 125mi. or so south...Where is the
closest place I could drive this coach to have someone qualified do front wheel bearings etc with grease fittings?..

brian 77 ele 455
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Jon Roche. I hope you're getting this.
They're in and around Winnipeg. I'll see if they'll contact you.
Contact me at bdub with your extended contact info.
bdub

> No I do not know of those 2 guys...how would I contact them?...where are
> they?...who in or around twin cities...dave L. could not think of anyone
> ther e when I talked to him bout 1.5 year ago....Brian 77 ele winnipeg
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of Billy Massey
>
> Sent: January 7, 2018 5:11 PM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
>
> Have you checked with Tom Struthers and or Harold Kihn? Otherwise, nearest
> agglomeration of GMCers in the know would be around the twin cities.
>

>
> > You are not too far from Cinnabar. $$$ but they do know GMC's.
> > Jim Hupy
> >

> >
> > > been through this but thanks for the suggestions...new BFG radial 16
> inch
> > > with new alcoas varied psi...no change...new hub extensions on and
> > > off...no change....new relay and pitmann and alignment and other pivot
> > > point arm (forget name)...no change and steering linkage and steering
> cv
> > > new lube and tolerences checked and taken off and tried and tried
> > different
> > > positions on that blue telescoping shaft and everything is tight and no
> > > change...steering box maybe next but would like to do the front wheell
> > > bearings anyway..... by driving it somewhere......where???..Brian 77
> ele
> > 455
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Gmclist on behalf of James
> Hupy
> > <
> > > jamesh1296>
> > > Sent: January 7, 2018 4:27 PM
> > > To: gmclist
> > > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
> > >
> > > How about tires? Are you running all steel belts, or steel belt treads
> > with
> > > rag sidewalls? Inflation pressures?
> > > Jim Hupy
> > >

> > >
> > > replaced the rear bearings and did all measurements on the bogies
> > ....solid
> > > tight and nothing bent...Brian 77 ele 455
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Gmclist on behalf of James
> Hupy
> > <
> > > jamesh1296>
> > > Sent: January 7, 2018 3:59 PM
> > > To: gmclist
> > > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
> > >
> > > Brian, remember this point. "When you can't figure out why you coach
> > won't
> > > steer, look to the rear end. The back end CAN and DOES steer the
> coach."
> > > Particularly the forward bogies.
> > > Jim Hupy
> > > Salem, Or
> > > 78 GMC ROYALE 403
> > >

> > >
> > > > I have not used my 77 gmc elegansa mostly because the steering is so
> > > > bad...I have replaced most components ordered from Dave L.....might
> > > replace
> > > > the steering box next...I have discussed steering issues with the
> > gmcnet
> > > in
> > > > the past. I have new front bearings and seals from Jim K. I bought
> > them
> > > a
> > > > few years ago but decided not to install them as I know I am not
> > > > qualified...So my question...Me and the gmc are situated near
> Winnipeg
> > > > Manitoba Canada...grand forks Noth Dakota 125mi. or so south...Where
> is
> > > the
> > > > closest place I could drive this coach to have someone qualified do
> > front
> > > > wheel bearings etc with grease fittings?..
> > > >
> > > > brian 77 ele 455
> > > > _______________________________________________
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yea...I could do that...but looking for people who know exactly what they are looking at.... like you guys..thanks Jim...Brian 77ele 455

________________________________
From: Gmclist on behalf of Jim Kanomata
Sent: January 7, 2018 5:27 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings

Lot of people rent the bearing tool and have the shop forman call me so I
can guide them on the front. Majority of the time the knuckles will need to
be replaced as they will be loose fit.
You can get the rebuilt one from Dave Lezi or us as we size them to last.
As Jim Hupy mentioned, check the rear for play in the arm.
The rear is a snap to grease. Yes if you have the time , do it properly or
just grease it .
I have observed Penski lub their fleet, they never lift it at all.
Better to have ome rease than to run dry till you have time to do it right.

> Have you checked with Tom Struthers and or Harold Kihn? Otherwise, nearest
> agglomeration of GMCers in the know would be around the twin cities.
>

>
> > You are not too far from Cinnabar. $$$ but they do know GMC's.
> > Jim Hupy
> >

> >
> > > been through this but thanks for the suggestions...new BFG radial 16
> inch
> > > with new alcoas varied psi...no change...new hub extensions on and
> > > off...no change....new relay and pitmann and alignment and other pivot
> > > point arm (forget name)...no change and steering linkage and steering
> cv
> > > new lube and tolerences checked and taken off and tried and tried
> > different
> > > positions on that blue telescoping shaft and everything is tight and no
> > > change...steering box maybe next but would like to do the front wheell
> > > bearings anyway..... by driving it somewhere......where???..Brian 77
> ele
> > 455
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Gmclist on behalf of James
> Hupy
> > <
> > > jamesh1296>
> > > Sent: January 7, 2018 4:27 PM
> > > To: gmclist
> > > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
> > >
> > > How about tires? Are you running all steel belts, or steel belt treads
> > with
> > > rag sidewalls? Inflation pressures?
> > > Jim Hupy
> > >

> > >
> > > replaced the rear bearings and did all measurements on the bogies
> > ....solid
> > > tight and nothing bent...Brian 77 ele 455
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Gmclist on behalf of James
> Hupy
> > <
> > > jamesh1296>
> > > Sent: January 7, 2018 3:59 PM
> > > To: gmclist
> > > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
> > >
> > > Brian, remember this point. "When you can't figure out why you coach
> > won't
> > > steer, look to the rear end. The back end CAN and DOES steer the
> coach."
> > > Particularly the forward bogies.
> > > Jim Hupy
> > > Salem, Or
> > > 78 GMC ROYALE 403
> > >

> > >
> > > > I have not used my 77 gmc elegansa mostly because the steering is so
> > > > bad...I have replaced most components ordered from Dave L.....might
> > > replace
> > > > the steering box next...I have discussed steering issues with the
> > gmcnet
> > > in
> > > > the past. I have new front bearings and seals from Jim K. I bought
> > them
> > > a
> > > > few years ago but decided not to install them as I know I am not
> > > > qualified...So my question...Me and the gmc are situated near
> Winnipeg
> > > > Manitoba Canada...grand forks Noth Dakota 125mi. or so south...Where
> is
> > > the
> > > > closest place I could drive this coach to have someone qualified do
> > front
> > > > wheel bearings etc with grease fittings?..
> > > >
> > > > brian 77 ele 455
> > > > _______________________________________________
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Brian W.:
Send an e mail to attn of Bob Dunahugh in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
He is very knowledgeable re GMC's and has friends and family in the twin cities area of Minn. He could possibly tell you who could help.
Mike/The Corvair a holic

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>
> No I do not know of those 2 guys...how would I contact them?...where are they?...who in or around twin cities...dave L. could not think of anyone ther e when I talked to him bout 1.5 year ago....Brian 77 ele winnipeg
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of Billy Massey
> Sent: January 7, 2018 5:11 PM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
>
> Have you checked with Tom Struthers and or Harold Kihn? Otherwise, nearest
> agglomeration of GMCers in the know would be around the twin cities.
>

>>
>> You are not too far from Cinnabar. $$$ but they do know GMC's.
>> Jim Hupy
>>

>>>
>>> been through this but thanks for the suggestions...new BFG radial 16 inch
>>> with new alcoas varied psi...no change...new hub extensions on and
>>> off...no change....new relay and pitmann and alignment and other pivot
>>> point arm (forget name)...no change and steering linkage and steering cv
>>> new lube and tolerences checked and taken off and tried and tried
>> different
>>> positions on that blue telescoping shaft and everything is tight and no
>>> change...steering box maybe next but would like to do the front wheell
>>> bearings anyway..... by driving it somewhere......where???..Brian 77 ele
>> 455
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy
>> <
>>> jamesh1296>
>>> Sent: January 7, 2018 4:27 PM
>>> To: gmclist
>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
>>>
>>> How about tires? Are you running all steel belts, or steel belt treads
>> with
>>> rag sidewalls? Inflation pressures?
>>> Jim Hupy
>>>

>>>
>>> replaced the rear bearings and did all measurements on the bogies
>> ....solid
>>> tight and nothing bent...Brian 77 ele 455
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy
>> <
>>> jamesh1296>
>>> Sent: January 7, 2018 3:59 PM
>>> To: gmclist
>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
>>>
>>> Brian, remember this point. "When you can't figure out why you coach
>> won't
>>> steer, look to the rear end. The back end CAN and DOES steer the coach."
>>> Particularly the forward bogies.
>>> Jim Hupy
>>> Salem, Or
>>> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>>>

>>>>
>>>> I have not used my 77 gmc elegansa mostly because the steering is so
>>>> bad...I have replaced most components ordered from Dave L.....might
>>> replace
>>>> the steering box next...I have discussed steering issues with the
>> gmcnet
>>> in
>>>> the past. I have new front bearings and seals from Jim K. I bought
>> them
>>> a
>>>> few years ago but decided not to install them as I know I am not
>>>> qualified...So my question...Me and the gmc are situated near Winnipeg
>>>> Manitoba Canada...grand forks Noth Dakota 125mi. or so south...Where is
>>> the
>>>> closest place I could drive this coach to have someone qualified do
>> front
>>>> wheel bearings etc with grease fittings?..
>>>>
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I can tell you that both Dave and I can tell you that going to one ton has
its issues.
Since Dave and I know how to make the origional system work for 80-100,000
miles , your not doing justic.
People like Bob Duahugh and others can explain the short comings of One
ton, we do sell one ton, so figur that one out.

> Brian W.:
> Send an e mail to attn of Bob Dunahugh in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
> He is very knowledgeable re GMC's and has friends and family in the twin
> cities area of Minn. He could possibly tell you who could help.
> Mike/The Corvair a holic
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

> >
> > No I do not know of those 2 guys...how would I contact them?...where are
> they?...who in or around twin cities...dave L. could not think of anyone
> ther e when I talked to him bout 1.5 year ago....Brian 77 ele winnipeg
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Gmclist on behalf of Billy
> Massey
> > Sent: January 7, 2018 5:11 PM
> > To: gmclist
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
> >
> > Have you checked with Tom Struthers and or Harold Kihn? Otherwise,
> nearest
> > agglomeration of GMCers in the know would be around the twin cities.
> >
> >> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 5:45 PM, James Hupy

> >>
> >> You are not too far from Cinnabar. $$$ but they do know GMC's.
> >> Jim Hupy
> >>

> >>>
> >>> been through this but thanks for the suggestions...new BFG radial 16
> inch
> >>> with new alcoas varied psi...no change...new hub extensions on and
> >>> off...no change....new relay and pitmann and alignment and other pivot
> >>> point arm (forget name)...no change and steering linkage and steering
> cv
> >>> new lube and tolerences checked and taken off and tried and tried
> >> different
> >>> positions on that blue telescoping shaft and everything is tight and no
> >>> change...steering box maybe next but would like to do the front wheell
> >>> bearings anyway..... by driving it somewhere......where???..Brian 77
> ele
> >> 455
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Gmclist on behalf of James
> Hupy
> >> <
> >>> jamesh1296>
> >>> Sent: January 7, 2018 4:27 PM
> >>> To: gmclist
> >>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
> >>>
> >>> How about tires? Are you running all steel belts, or steel belt treads
> >> with
> >>> rag sidewalls? Inflation pressures?
> >>> Jim Hupy
> >>>

> >>>
> >>> replaced the rear bearings and did all measurements on the bogies
> >> ....solid
> >>> tight and nothing bent...Brian 77 ele 455
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Gmclist on behalf of James
> Hupy
> >> <
> >>> jamesh1296>
> >>> Sent: January 7, 2018 3:59 PM
> >>> To: gmclist
> >>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
> >>>
> >>> Brian, remember this point. "When you can't figure out why you coach
> >> won't
> >>> steer, look to the rear end. The back end CAN and DOES steer the
> coach."
> >>> Particularly the forward bogies.
> >>> Jim Hupy
> >>> Salem, Or
> >>> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
> >>>
> >>>> On Jan 7, 2018 2:08 PM, "Brian Waddell"

> >>>>
> >>>> I have not used my 77 gmc elegansa mostly because the steering is so
> >>>> bad...I have replaced most components ordered from Dave L.....might
> >>> replace
> >>>> the steering box next...I have discussed steering issues with the
> >> gmcnet
> >>> in
> >>>> the past. I have new front bearings and seals from Jim K. I bought
> >> them
> >>> a
> >>>> few years ago but decided not to install them as I know I am not
> >>>> qualified...So my question...Me and the gmc are situated near Winnipeg
> >>>> Manitoba Canada...grand forks Noth Dakota 125mi. or so south...Where
> is
> >>> the
> >>>> closest place I could drive this coach to have someone qualified do
> >> front
> >>>> wheel bearings etc with grease fittings?..
> >>>>
> >>>> brian 77 ele 455
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Thanks..hope Bob will read this...and possibly contact me...sperline1 if he know of any body in the Minneapolis region who does work on the gmc coach...Brian

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Sent: January 7, 2018 6:06 PM
To: gmclist
Cc: GMC Bob & Linda Dunahugh
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings

Brian W.:
Send an e mail to attn of Bob Dunahugh in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
He is very knowledgeable re GMC's and has friends and family in the twin cities area of Minn. He could possibly tell you who could help.
Mike/The Corvair a holic

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>
> No I do not know of those 2 guys...how would I contact them?...where are they?...who in or around twin cities...dave L. could not think of anyone ther e when I talked to him bout 1.5 year ago....Brian 77 ele winnipeg
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of Billy Massey
> Sent: January 7, 2018 5:11 PM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
>
> Have you checked with Tom Struthers and or Harold Kihn? Otherwise, nearest
> agglomeration of GMCers in the know would be around the twin cities.
>

>>
>> You are not too far from Cinnabar. $$$ but they do know GMC's.
>> Jim Hupy
>>

>>>
>>> been through this but thanks for the suggestions...new BFG radial 16 inch
>>> with new alcoas varied psi...no change...new hub extensions on and
>>> off...no change....new relay and pitmann and alignment and other pivot
>>> point arm (forget name)...no change and steering linkage and steering cv
>>> new lube and tolerences checked and taken off and tried and tried
>> different
>>> positions on that blue telescoping shaft and everything is tight and no
>>> change...steering box maybe next but would like to do the front wheell
>>> bearings anyway..... by driving it somewhere......where???..Brian 77 ele
>> 455
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy
>> <
>>> jamesh1296>
>>> Sent: January 7, 2018 4:27 PM
>>> To: gmclist
>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
>>>
>>> How about tires? Are you running all steel belts, or steel belt treads
>> with
>>> rag sidewalls? Inflation pressures?
>>> Jim Hupy
>>>

>>>
>>> replaced the rear bearings and did all measurements on the bogies
>> ....solid
>>> tight and nothing bent...Brian 77 ele 455
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy
>> <
>>> jamesh1296>
>>> Sent: January 7, 2018 3:59 PM
>>> To: gmclist
>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings
>>>
>>> Brian, remember this point. "When you can't figure out why you coach
>> won't
>>> steer, look to the rear end. The back end CAN and DOES steer the coach."
>>> Particularly the forward bogies.
>>> Jim Hupy
>>> Salem, Or
>>> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>>>

>>>>
>>>> I have not used my 77 gmc elegansa mostly because the steering is so
>>>> bad...I have replaced most components ordered from Dave L.....might
>>> replace
>>>> the steering box next...I have discussed steering issues with the
>> gmcnet
>>> in
>>>> the past. I have new front bearings and seals from Jim K. I bought
>> them
>>> a
>>>> few years ago but decided not to install them as I know I am not
>>>> qualified...So my question...Me and the gmc are situated near Winnipeg
>>>> Manitoba Canada...grand forks Noth Dakota 125mi. or so south...Where is
>>> the
>>>> closest place I could drive this coach to have someone qualified do
>> front
>>>> wheel bearings etc with grease fittings?..
>>>>
>>>> brian 77 ele 455
>>>> _______________________________________________
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Lqqkatjon Send me an email.

I am just northwest of the twin cities. (St. Cloud)

I do not know those two names above. We suffer from a lack of qualified shops that do work on GMC's. What we do lack in shops up here we have a
huge amount of long term GMC owners that have great knowledge and experience. I am fortunate to be able to do my own work and fortunate enough to
have that knowledge base to fall back on. If you can I suggest getting involved in the club if you can manage.

I have been around Dave Lenzi's bearings and I feel that is one way to get front end bearings that will out last you. Otherwise borrow a puller and
DIY. How many years will it take you to run 30k miles?? Before they are due for service again?

I would tell you to drive it to my place to do bearings, but I am no expert. Comfortable enough to work on my own coach, but do not want to be
responsible for your front end.

As far as for drivability. There are too many variables. But there are many experts willing to walk you through some steps. Most issues are hide
height and steering box centering related. Next problem I have seen is someone that did not understand the relationship of suspension height doing
the wrong adjuatments or installing the wrong parts. We have had some club work rallys checking this, but it is not something the club has been
able to do every year.

Send me an email and I can suggest what best
Plan is depending on what you have or have not tried.

Our next club rally is almost a straight shot south of you by sioux falls, sd first weekend in jube.

http://www.gmcmidwestclassics.org/Web%20pages/rally.html

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Lots of ideas her but nothing very local to you. Minneapolis is a days drive or around 450 miles. Then you will be stuck there until you get the
coach back together.

So here is what I would do if you feel up to it and have a place to work in this weather.

Call Dave Lenzi and make sure he has time to rebuild your knuckles. Remove both front knuckles and cart them down to Pembina (70 or 80 miles) and ship
them FED-EX ground to Dave. Get a receipt from Canadian Customs on your way south so they can not later say you are importing something on the way
back. Have the knuckle return shipped to the same Pembina location and held for pick up. Get Dave to include a receipt that says "repaired antique
auto part using customer supplied core." Take pictures of them before shipment to keep the Canadian Customs people happy upon return.

Removal of the knuckles is not difficult:
Loosen big nuts in middle of wheel
Jack up and remove wheels
remove brake calipers
remove shocks
disconnect tie rod
disconnect upper and lower ball joint
remove knuckle and place in shipping container

That is from memory. I hope I remembered everything.

Installation is the reverse of the above.

I know of no adjustments required other than torquing the big nut in the center of the wheel.

When I sent my knuckles in to Dave by FedEx ground, they delivered and returned them in one day each way. (It might take 2 days from Penbina). I had
them back in 6 days total.

I seriously doubt replacing the bearings will improve your steering any, but if they need to be done for other reasons, then by all means do it.

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Hebron, Indiana
 
good advice and logistics...only problem is...how do I know they should be done other than I have no hx...they seem tight but....should I change them ...I guess I have been thinking a person familiar with good and bad as it applies to gmc front bearing and cv joints would know upon examination if they were good and do not need replacement or if iffy...I got new front Timkins from jim K to have on the road in case of trouble...neither happened for multi years...Brian 77 ele 455

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From: Gmclist on behalf of Ken Burton
Sent: January 7, 2018 9:16 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings

Lots of ideas her but nothing very local to you. Minneapolis is a days drive or around 450 miles. Then you will be stuck there until you get the
coach back together.

So here is what I would do if you feel up to it and have a place to work in this weather.

Call Dave Lenzi and make sure he has time to rebuild your knuckles. Remove both front knuckles and cart them down to Pembina (70 or 80 miles) and ship
them FED-EX ground to Dave. Get a receipt from Canadian Customs on your way south so they can not later say you are importing something on the way
back. Have the knuckle return shipped to the same Pembina location and held for pick up. Get Dave to include a receipt that says "repaired antique
auto part using customer supplied core." Take pictures of them before shipment to keep the Canadian Customs people happy upon return.

Removal of the knuckles is not difficult:
Loosen big nuts in middle of wheel
Jack up and remove wheels
remove brake calipers
remove shocks
disconnect tie rod
disconnect upper and lower ball joint
remove knuckle and place in shipping container

That is from memory. I hope I remembered everything.

Installation is the reverse of the above.

I know of no adjustments required other than torquing the big nut in the center of the wheel.

When I sent my knuckles in to Dave by FedEx ground, they delivered and returned them in one day each way. (It might take 2 days from Penbina). I had
them back in 6 days total.

I seriously doubt replacing the bearings will improve your steering any, but if they need to be done for other reasons, then by all means do it.

--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

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Brian,

There is no way of knowing whether the bearings, hubs, knuckles are good or bad unless they are disassembled, cleaned, and
inspected.

CV joints are another story which I'm not going into.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Brian Waddell
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 4:51 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings

good advice and logistics...only problem is...how do I know they should be done other than I have no hx...they seem tight
but....should I change them ...I guess I have been thinking a person familiar with good and bad as it applies to gmc front bearing
and cv joints would know upon examination if they were good and do not need replacement or if iffy...I got new front Timkins from
jim K to have on the road in case of trouble...neither happened for multi years...Brian 77 ele 455
 
Jack the coach up and pull the knuckles put them in a crate drive to the coming west ups place in the UPSand
ship them to JimB or JImK and it will probably cost you less than driving to the class West I lace

HTH
--
John H. Bell
77 Royale; QuadBag,Manny OneTon,Honda EV4010, FITech
Montreal Qc.
 
DO NOT remove the shocks without unloading the torsion bars first! Or jack under the control arm to stop it from traveling downward due to spring
pressure. A little bit dangerous but doable safely with the right technique. You do not need to remove the shocks to remove the knuckles anyway.
--
Terry Kelpien

ASE Master Technician

73 Glacier 260

Smithfield, Va.
 
You are right. I was thinking about removing the lower control arms or torsion bar. It is Not necessary on knuckle. It has been a long time since I
did one. Front coach weight does need to be supported on the lower control arm. Do not let the lower control arm just hang down. I usually jack it
up in the center and then put some jack stands or 4x4 cribbing under each control arm. Then drop the coach on them. I leave the lowered jack in the
middle with a light amount of weight on it just for some extra safety.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
tolerances on movement of wheel on different planes????sounds while rotating...I am not familiar with changing bearings just because.... we have never done that.....can they be drilled in place?....brian 77 ele 455

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From: Gmclist on behalf of Rob Mueller
Sent: January 7, 2018 11:40 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings

Brian,

There is no way of knowing whether the bearings, hubs, knuckles are good or bad unless they are disassembled, cleaned, and
inspected.

CV joints are another story which I'm not going into.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808

-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Brian Waddell
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 4:51 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings

good advice and logistics...only problem is...how do I know they should be done other than I have no hx...they seem tight
but....should I change them ...I guess I have been thinking a person familiar with good and bad as it applies to gmc front bearing
and cv joints would know upon examination if they were good and do not need replacement or if iffy...I got new front Timkins from
jim K to have on the road in case of trouble...neither happened for multi years...Brian 77 ele 455

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Jim K at Applied, and Dave Lenzi to me are the best choices. I put a 1 ton unit under a friends 78 GMC. Nice unit. But I'll never install one again. We're thinking of pulling that 1 ton back out. It doesn't have the proper geometry. The big talk with the 1 ton is that it has a lifetime bearing that can't be greased because it's a sealed unit. It's a throw away unit at whatever mileage it fails at. Seen many in GM trucks that didn't make it very long. Then you go buy an all new one again. A rebuilt original with the grease fitting should more the likely never fail. Just get out the grease gun every 50,000miles. Put $2 worth of grease in. Done. But. Front components are only half the story. The back is another subject that you need to know about. Bob Dunahugh
 
reasonable suggestion...thanks...been told before....Brian

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From: Gmclist on behalf of jhb1
Sent: January 8, 2018 6:42 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] bearings

Jack the coach up and pull the knuckles put them in a crate drive to the coming west ups place in the UPSand
ship them to JimB or JImK and it will probably cost you less than driving to the class West I lace

HTH
--
John H. Bell
77 Royale; QuadBag,Manny OneTon,Honda EV4010, FITech
Montreal Qc.

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