Winterfeldt engine

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I agree, Darryl is now recovered from a long illness which made his life
miserable. He also recommends using high test in his engines as they are
higher horsepower. If one uses the cheapest gas in his engine, you might just
cause some problems with pinging etc.

> I also heard this sad tale at Marion. I think Darryl has had some health
> problems, which I believe he has recovered from. This might have been at
> least part of "the rest of the story" in this case. Keep in mind with
> regard to "guarantees", Darryl and many other GMC "providers" are basically
> "one man bands". Even if they have all good intentions of honoring these
> guarantees, there will come a day when they physically can't.
>
> I second Ritches recommendation of Dick Paterson, but the "hitch" there is
> you have to go to his shop in Canada. He insists on installing and starting
> the motor himself to be sure its "run in" properly. With the current
> exchange rate, Dick's price is a screaming deal in $US.
>
> Patrick
>

> >
> > Nate: Beware.
> >
> > When I was at the GMCMI Marion rally last year, I talked to a
> > Winterfeldt engine purchaser that resided in Mississippi (MS).
> > He related all the good stuff you relate in your GMCnet post,
> > and in the ads that Winterfeldt runs.
> >
> > He NEVER got any satisfaction from Winderfeldt about his engine
> > problems/oil leaks/breakdowns despite their claims about "on
> > your site" service/ engine swaps & etc. In fact Winterfeldt
> > basically wrote him off since the bill was paid..... there was
> > nothing he could do other than spend more $$ chasing attorneys.
> > And - he wasn't about to badmouth any of the GMC motorhome
> > supplier "biggies" publicly (too bad, too).
> >
> > He got his best deal from Dick Paterson in Canada seeing as
> > how he was heading to Michigan anyway - had Dick install one
> > of his GMC motorhome engines, trans & torque converter.
> > Had nothing but praise for the pro install AND the engine
> > combo. This was from a guy who puts a LOT of miles on his
> > coach, much like Dave Greenberg.
> >
> > Jasper is a production shop as far as rebuilders go.
> > Cinnabar and others buy their engines as replacements. My
> > son tells me that they cut corners and don't go the extra
> > mile (just a few $$ more in critical components) in terms
> > of a long-lived engine.
 
Nate: Beware.

When I was at the GMCMI Marion rally last year, I talked to a Winterfeldt
engine purchaser that resided in Mississippi (MS). He related all the good
stuff you relate in your GMCnet post, and in the ads that Winterfeldt runs.

He NEVER got any satisfaction from Winderfeldt about his engine
problems/oil leaks/breakdowns despite their claims about "on your site"
service/ engine swaps & etc. In fact Winterfeldt basically wrote him off
since the bill was paid..... there was nothing he could do other than spend
more $$ chasing attorneys. And - he wasn't about to badmouth any of the
GMC motorhome supplier "biggies" publicly (too bad, too).

He got his best deal from Dick Paterson in Canada seeing as how he was
heading to Michigan anyway - had Dick install one of his GMC motorhome
engines, trans & torque converter. Had nothing but praise for the pro
install AND the engine combo. This was from a guy who puts a LOT of miles
on his coach, much like Dave Greenberg.

Jasper is a production shop as far as rebuilders go. Cinnabar and others
buy their engines as replacements. My son tells me that they cut corners
and don't go the extra mile (just a few $$ more in critical components) in
terms of a long-lived engine.

HTH, and all disclaimers apply, as Rick Staples would type... ;)

As always, best regards.

~ Ritch & Betty Hwang ~ Clarkston, MI ~ mailto:rhwang
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(B}>
 
I also heard this sad tale at Marion. I think Darryl has had some health
problems, which I believe he has recovered from. This might have been at
least part of "the rest of the story" in this case. Keep in mind with
regard to "guarantees", Darryl and many other GMC "providers" are basically
"one man bands". Even if they have all good intentions of honoring these
guarantees, there will come a day when they physically can't.

I second Ritches recommendation of Dick Paterson, but the "hitch" there is
you have to go to his shop in Canada. He insists on installing and starting
the motor himself to be sure its "run in" properly. With the current
exchange rate, Dick's price is a screaming deal in $US.

Patrick

>
> Nate: Beware.
>
> When I was at the GMCMI Marion rally last year, I talked to a
> Winterfeldt engine purchaser that resided in Mississippi (MS).
> He related all the good stuff you relate in your GMCnet post,
> and in the ads that Winterfeldt runs.
>
> He NEVER got any satisfaction from Winderfeldt about his engine
> problems/oil leaks/breakdowns despite their claims about "on
> your site" service/ engine swaps & etc. In fact Winterfeldt
> basically wrote him off since the bill was paid..... there was
> nothing he could do other than spend more $$ chasing attorneys.
> And - he wasn't about to badmouth any of the GMC motorhome
> supplier "biggies" publicly (too bad, too).
>
> He got his best deal from Dick Paterson in Canada seeing as
> how he was heading to Michigan anyway - had Dick install one
> of his GMC motorhome engines, trans & torque converter.
> Had nothing but praise for the pro install AND the engine
> combo. This was from a guy who puts a LOT of miles on his
> coach, much like Dave Greenberg.
>
> Jasper is a production shop as far as rebuilders go.
> Cinnabar and others buy their engines as replacements. My
> son tells me that they cut corners and don't go the extra
> mile (just a few $$ more in critical components) in terms
> of a long-lived engine.
 
Ritch,
Did I read this correctly? This guy had a 2nd engine installed because of
problems with the Winterfelt installation? If that's true, WOW! What a waste
of money and time.

Sooner or later I'm going to need a new engine (I have 130,000 on the original
setup right now) and I am getting more confused everyday. If my engine
died today in my driveway I don't know what I would do and I'm close to
Sandusky and Canada. If it died on the road like Nate's did, far from any
reliable help, then what???? I know I'm not alone with these concerns.
Because
I plan on keeping my GMC for a while, it's not a matter of if the engine needs
to be replaced, but when and how.

By the way, you said about Jasper: "My son tells me that they cut corners and
don't go the extra mile (just a few $$ more in critical components) in terms
of a long-lived engine". How does your son know about this. Did he work
there?

Please know that I'm not trying to criticize you, I just want to make sure
we have the facts. This guy's GMC depends on the facts

Richard Waters '76 PB, Troy, MI

> Nate: Beware.
>
> When I was at the GMCMI Marion rally last year, I talked to a Winterfeldt
> engine purchaser that resided in Mississippi (MS). He related all the good
> stuff you relate in your GMCnet post, and in the ads that Winterfeldt runs.
>
> He NEVER got any satisfaction from Winderfeldt about his engine
> problems/oil leaks/breakdowns despite their claims about "on your site"
> service/ engine swaps & etc. In fact Winterfeldt basically wrote him off
> since the bill was paid..... there was nothing he could do other than spend
> more $$ chasing attorneys. And - he wasn't about to badmouth any of the
> GMC motorhome supplier "biggies" publicly (too bad, too).
>
> He got his best deal from Dick Paterson in Canada seeing as how he was
> heading to Michigan anyway - had Dick install one of his GMC motorhome
> engines, trans & torque converter. Had nothing but praise for the pro
> install AND the engine combo. This was from a guy who puts a LOT of miles
> on his coach, much like Dave Greenberg.
>
> Jasper is a production shop as far as rebuilders go. Cinnabar and others
> buy their engines as replacements. My son tells me that they cut corners
> and don't go the extra mile (just a few $$ more in critical components) in
> terms of a long-lived engine.
>
 
> Ritch,
> Did I read this correctly? This guy had a 2nd engine
> installed because of problems with the Winterfelt
> installation? If that's true, WOW! What a waste
> of money and time.

That's the story both Ritch and I heard, but keep in mind, we only heard his
side of this.

> Sooner or later I'm going to need a new engine (I have
> 130,000 on the original setup right now) and I am
> getting more confused everyday. If my engine died
> today in my driveway I don't know what I would do and
> I'm close to Sandusky and Canada. If it died on the
> road like Nate's did, far from any reliable help,
> then what???? I know I'm not alone with these concerns.

Yeah, we all *hope* our engine will die gracefully, with plenty of warning -
poor compression, losing oil, etc. - allowing plenty of time to make "final
arrangements". Richard's hit on something here - advance planning is
crucial; in addition to good towing insurance. Maybe my "funeral" analogy
is not too far off the mark. It would be tough to cover all possibilities
tho' - like losing the engine in Texas when the plan is to have Paterson do
the work.

I wonder how much trouble you'd have at the Canadian border trying to take a
US registered RV across on a flatbed?

Patrick
 
I, would think, none. Just tell the customs guys what you are doing and there
shouldn't be any problem. ph.1-800-461-9999 and ask. There will probably be some
paperwork but that is all. Good luck.
BTW I had also heard, from a very reputable source of, after the bill is
paid problems, with Winterfeldt. I am not 100% sure but I do believe my
source. Darren

>
> > Ritch,
> > Did I read this correctly? This guy had a 2nd engine
> > installed because of problems with the Winterfelt
> > installation? If that's true, WOW! What a waste
> > of money and time.
>
> That's the story both Ritch and I heard, but keep in mind, we only heard his
> side of this.
>
> > Sooner or later I'm going to need a new engine (I have
> > 130,000 on the original setup right now) and I am
> > getting more confused everyday. If my engine died
> > today in my driveway I don't know what I would do and
> > I'm close to Sandusky and Canada. If it died on the
> > road like Nate's did, far from any reliable help,
> > then what???? I know I'm not alone with these concerns.
>
> Yeah, we all *hope* our engine will die gracefully, with plenty of warning -
> poor compression, losing oil, etc. - allowing plenty of time to make "final
> arrangements". Richard's hit on something here - advance planning is
> crucial; in addition to good towing insurance. Maybe my "funeral" analogy
> is not too far off the mark. It would be tough to cover all possibilities
> tho' - like losing the engine in Texas when the plan is to have Paterson do
> the work.
>
> I wonder how much trouble you'd have at the Canadian border trying to take a
> US registered RV across on a flatbed?
>
> Patrick

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