Windows - early or late style?

[gmc2000]

I think I like the early style windows more than the later ones. they seem to be easier to open and close. probably because of the handles, not sure.

I also like the locks on the old style but Im not sure if the later one I looked at was original. the lock on it was a removable metal strip that you
placed into position to lock it. is this how all the later ones operate?

can the later ones be retro fitted with early handles/locks? what else is different and any pros/cons of either?

Ive read about the outer frame was changed to one piece and that it looks better. other than looks though, what else do these one piece frames have
going for them or not?

can the glass itself be interchanged from both? is one style more prone to leakage than the other?

 

[jim kanomata1]

You need to look at our website to see what is new style.
Should you have questons never hesitate to contact us .
The New ones are considerably quiet as it is gasked 100 %, while the older
ones use a fin gasket that does not seal very much.

> I think I like the early style windows more than the later ones. they seem
> to be easier to open and close. probably because of the handles, not sure.
>
> I also like the locks on the old style but Im not sure if the later one I
> looked at was original. the lock on it was a removable metal strip that you
> placed into position to lock it. is this how all the later ones operate?
>
> can the later ones be retro fitted with early handles/locks? what else is
> different and any pros/cons of either?
>
> Ive read about the outer frame was changed to one piece and that it looks
> better. other than looks though, what else do these one piece frames have
> going for them or not?
>
> can the glass itself be interchanged from both? is one style more prone to
> leakage than the other?
>
>
>
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[gmc2000]

> You need to look at our website to see what is new style.
> Should you have questons never hesitate to contact us .
> The New ones are considerably quiet as it is gasked 100 %, while the older
> ones use a fin gasket that does not seal very much.

I really like those new style cockpit windows but not much the others with the small pop-outs, they do look good though.

do the original windows create alot of wind noise?

havent seen any power windows upgrades, that would be cool but I guess if it was possible someone would have done it by now.

 

[peer oliver schmidt]

Where would you want a power window? Cockpit? imho nothing beats the speed of the original windows (opening and closing).
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[gmc2000]

> Where would you want a power window? Cockpit? imho nothing beats the speed of the original windows (opening and closing).

all of them, except the cockpit ones. and if the were powered, you could open them all at the same time

I really like those Jim Bounds cockpit windows.

 

[thomas phipps]

The original windows came in two versions; early had multipiece frames and the locks were on the sliding window, later had single piece frame and the
lock is on the fixed portion (I hope I remembered that correctly!). The first design of replacement windows had a small sliding portion for fresh air.
The second design has a small folding portion that opens for fresh air by being hinged at the top.
When folded out, it keeps the rain out of the coach fairly well. This is the design that JmK is now selling.
The original design lets in more outside air flow. But, with A/C, this feature may not matter.

I think if GM had done a little more testing in the Deep South, keeping the coach cool would have been a higher consideration.
Replacing the windows is not difficult. Hiwever, the interior trim will no longer work.
Tom
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[gmc2000]

> The original windows came in two versions; early had multipiece frames and the locks were on the sliding window, later had single piece frame and
> the lock is on the fixed portion (I hope I remembered that correctly!). The first design of replacement windows had a small sliding portion for
> fresh air. The second design has a small folding portion that opens for fresh air by being hinged at the top.
> When folded out, it keeps the rain out of the coach fairly well. This is the design that JmK is now selling.
> The original design lets in more outside air flow. But, with A/C, this feature may not matter.
>
> I think if GM had done a little more testing in the Deep South, keeping the coach cool would have been a higher consideration.
> Replacing the windows is not difficult. Hiwever, the interior trim will no longer work.
> Tom

Im not interested in the new replacements, at least not without having any experience with the originals ones anyway. I like the originals because of
the large openings.

Im more interested in which of the two (or more) original windows is better or not and if they interchange.

I dont recall seeing the lock on the fixed portion of the later one I looked at but the lock I saw seemed like a PITA since it was only attached for
locking and then easily misplaced when not in use but I cant be sure that was even original.

Ive been looking for pics of the locks on other later ones but havnt found any with enough resolution to be useful.

 

[jim kanomata1]

Bounds and ours is the identical as we team up to ake hem available.
Both the cocpit and the framless.
Non of the other GMC suppliers want to team up with us.
Also we are going to be supplying a Hub Centered ION Aluminum wheels at
competitive price with SS valve stems that allow injection of air easily.
These will be available from us, Bounds and Sirum.
We still supply the Alcoa wheels as well. See us at : www.appliedgmc.com

> > The original windows came in two versions; early had multipiece frames
> and the locks were on the sliding window, later had single piece frame and
> > the lock is on the fixed portion (I hope I remembered that correctly!).
> The first design of replacement windows had a small sliding portion for
> > fresh air. The second design has a small folding portion that opens for
> fresh air by being hinged at the top.
> > When folded out, it keeps the rain out of the coach fairly well. This is
> the design that JmK is now selling.
> > The original design lets in more outside air flow. But, with A/C, this
> feature may not matter.
> >
> > I think if GM had done a little more testing in the Deep South, keeping
> the coach cool would have been a higher consideration.
> > Replacing the windows is not difficult. Hiwever, the interior trim will
> no longer work.
> > Tom
>
>
>
> Im not interested in the new replacements, at least not without having any
> experience with the originals ones anyway. I like the originals because of
> the large openings.
>
> Im more interested in which of the two (or more) original windows is
> better or not and if they interchange.
>
> I dont recall seeing the lock on the fixed portion of the later one I
> looked at but the lock I saw seemed like a PITA since it was only attached
> for
> locking and then easily misplaced when not in use but I cant be sure that
> was even original.
>
> Ive been looking for pics of the locks on other later ones but havnt found
> any with enough resolution to be useful.
>
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[RonaldPottol]

As I understand it, there are two styles of original windows on the
coaches, and they can be swapped, if you do it frame and all, the body of
the coach did not change.

The earlier style has the moving part forward and outside, and the screen
is on the inside, you you open the screen, adjust the window, close the
screen. I have 1973 coach, so I have these.

Part way though the 1975 model year, they switched styles, with these, the
fixed portion is forward and outside, and the screen is outside. You can
adjust the windows without touching the screens.

The later style is said to be quieter and more air tight. The earlier style
lets you walk around the outside of the coach and close all the windows (or
open, if they are not all the way shut), so they aren't all bad.

If the opportunity came up for not too much money, I'd switch to the new
style.

Ron
Redwood City CA
1973 26"

> > The original windows came in two versions; early had multipiece frames
> and the locks were on the sliding window, later had single piece frame and
> > the lock is on the fixed portion (I hope I remembered that correctly!).
> The first design of replacement windows had a small sliding portion for
> > fresh air. The second design has a small folding portion that opens for
> fresh air by being hinged at the top.
> > When folded out, it keeps the rain out of the coach fairly well. This is
> the design that JmK is now selling.
> > The original design lets in more outside air flow. But, with A/C, this
> feature may not matter.
> >
> > I think if GM had done a little more testing in the Deep South, keeping
> the coach cool would have been a higher consideration.
> > Replacing the windows is not difficult. Hiwever, the interior trim will
> no longer work.
> > Tom
>
>
>
> Im not interested in the new replacements, at least not without having any
> experience with the originals ones anyway. I like the originals because of
> the large openings.
>
> Im more interested in which of the two (or more) original windows is
> better or not and if they interchange.
>
> I dont recall seeing the lock on the fixed portion of the later one I
> looked at but the lock I saw seemed like a PITA since it was only attached
> for
> locking and then easily misplaced when not in use but I cant be sure that
> was even original.
>
> Ive been looking for pics of the locks on other later ones but havnt found
> any with enough resolution to be useful.
>
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[gmc2000]

> As I understand it, there are two styles of original windows on the
> coaches, and they can be swapped, if you do it frame and all, the body of
> the coach did not change.
>
> The earlier style has the moving part forward and outside, and the screen
> is on the inside, you you open the screen, adjust the window, close the
> screen. I have 1973 coach, so I have these.
>
> Part way though the 1975 model year, they switched styles, with these, the
> fixed portion is forward and outside, and the screen is outside. You can
> adjust the windows without touching the screens.
>
> The later style is said to be quieter and more air tight. The earlier style
> lets you walk around the outside of the coach and close all the windows (or
> open, if they are not all the way shut), so they aren't all bad.
>
> If the opportunity came up for not too much money, I'd switch to the new
> style.

I did not even notice these things, thanks for mentioning them good to know they will interchange but only as complete assemblies. I will look at
these more closely from now on and maybe get some photos too.

 

[Jim Hupy]

Some people prefer one style over another, kinda for their own reasons.
Both types leak water equally. The new ones, properly installed, do not
leak at all, and as an added bonus, are much quieter when under way. One
perceived disadvantage is that they do not provide as much ventilation.
They are easier to open and close, and are not big enough for people to
crawl through, so I think they might defer some break ins.
Jim Hupy

> > As I understand it, there are two styles of original windows on the
> > coaches, and they can be swapped, if you do it frame and all, the body of
> > the coach did not change.
> >
> > The earlier style has the moving part forward and outside, and the screen
> > is on the inside, you you open the screen, adjust the window, close the
> > screen. I have 1973 coach, so I have these.
> >
> > Part way though the 1975 model year, they switched styles, with these,
> the
> > fixed portion is forward and outside, and the screen is outside. You can
> > adjust the windows without touching the screens.
> >
> > The later style is said to be quieter and more air tight. The earlier
> style
> > lets you walk around the outside of the coach and close all the windows
> (or
> > open, if they are not all the way shut), so they aren't all bad.
> >
> > If the opportunity came up for not too much money, I'd switch to the new
> > style.
>
>
> I did not even notice these things, thanks for mentioning them good to
> know they will interchange but only as complete assemblies. I will look at
> these more closely from now on and maybe get some photos too.
>
>
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[LarryW]

> Some people prefer one style over another, kinda for their own reasons.
> Both types leak water equally. The new ones, properly installed, do not
> leak at all, and as an added bonus, are much quieter when under way. One
> perceived disadvantage is that they do not provide as much ventilation.
> They are easier to open and close, and are not big enough for people to
> crawl through, so I think they might defer some break ins.
> Jim Hupy

On the other hand, we really like being able to open the old style windows on both sides of the coach and enjoy the breeze flowing through. I think
you can still get the felt seals and rebuild the windows so they are not as leaky. I think I got them some 12 yrs ago from Jim Bounds. Took the
windows out of the frame, new felts, and new seal around the outside made them quite tight. JWID
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78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.

 

[robert mueller]

Larry,

Me (and Helen) too!

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808

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On the other hand, we really like being able to open the old style windows on both sides of the coach and enjoy the breeze flowing
through. I think you can still get the felt seals and rebuild the windows so they are not as leaky. I think I got them some 12 yrs
ago from Jim Bounds. Took the windows out of the frame, new felts, and new seal around the outside made them quite tight. JWID
--
Larry

 

[gmc2000]

so the OEM windows are not very secure? maybe thats what that strange lock mechanism was I saw.. probably was added on but it was a spring steel,
thin, flat bar that was contoured to fit a special way.

of the early and late style windows which are more secure?

 

[emerystora]

The flat metal lock was standard on my 1977 GMC. It was not an add on.

Many of us have changed the locks to a later model Hehr lock which makes the windows much easier to open.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

>
> so the OEM windows are not very secure? maybe thats what that strange lock mechanism was I saw.. probably was added on but it was a spring steel,
> thin, flat bar that was contoured to fit a special way.
>
> of the early and late style windows which are more secure?
>
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[robert mueller]

A sledge hammer will take out either one.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


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so the OEM windows are not very secure? maybe thats what that strange lock mechanism was I saw.. probably was added on but it was a
spring steel,
thin, flat bar that was contoured to fit a special way.

of the early and late style windows which are more secure?

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[slc]

As I understand it, there were 3 styles.

http://www.bdub.net/publications/1973_Magazine_Ad/1973_Ad.htm

The First model had a window that had a static center section, and the sides would slide.
I actually prefer this configuration, I think it looks better and I believe the window
frame work would be stronger.

However, this first configuration, from what I read, didn't make it out of prototype stage,
if it did, I have not seen it.

GM had some leak issues so they opted for the Two frame windows.
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