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richard waters

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While I had my coach in to Cinnabar for some follow up work on
Tuesday, I noticed my windows are falling apart!

I apparently I have the 2nd version window with a rubber strip
around each of them. The rubber is starting to fall away in a
few places and one of the windows looks like it's in danger
of actually falling right out.

I was told that I can buy replacement rubber at Cinnabar. It takes
2 types and I would need 43' of bead gasket (they call it the small
gasket) at $1.35 a foot and 33' of vent gasket (they call it the large
gasket) at $1.50 a foot. According to math that is about $130 including

shipping and sales tax. Not that much I guess to repair the windows?

I was also told it is a real pain to install. The guy said that after I
do one
window I'll be back to have the rest of them done or I'll be in the
hospital
getting a new thumb put on my hands

Are these prices reasonable? Maybe I should get this from Jim Bounds?

Is it really that hard to install?

Richard Waters '76 PB, Troy, MI
 
Richard--
I agree that it is a real pain in the a** to install. Suggest that you call
Jim Bounds. He sold me mine and gave me a lot of helpful tips (as
always!!).
Gary
North Bend, Oregon Coast

> While I had my coach in to Cinnabar for some follow up work on
> Tuesday, I noticed my windows are falling apart!
>
> I apparently I have the 2nd version window with a rubber strip
> around each of them. The rubber is starting to fall away in a
> few places and one of the windows looks like it's in danger
> of actually falling right out.
>
> I was told that I can buy replacement rubber at Cinnabar. It takes
> 2 types and I would need 43' of bead gasket (they call it the small
> gasket) at $1.35 a foot and 33' of vent gasket (they call it the large
> gasket) at $1.50 a foot. According to math that is about $130 including
>
> shipping and sales tax. Not that much I guess to repair the windows?
>
> I was also told it is a real pain to install. The guy said that after I
> do one
> window I'll be back to have the rest of them done or I'll be in the
> hospital
> getting a new thumb put on my hands
>
> Are these prices reasonable? Maybe I should get this from Jim Bounds?
>
> Is it really that hard to install?
>
> Richard Waters '76 PB, Troy, MI
 
Not that hard to install. It is hard on the thumbs though. Get the parts
from Jim. They were cheaper and he has the whole kit. Darren

> While I had my coach in to Cinnabar for some follow up work on
> Tuesday, I noticed my windows are falling apart!
>
> I apparently I have the 2nd version window with a rubber strip
> around each of them. The rubber is starting to fall away in a
> few places and one of the windows looks like it's in danger
> of actually falling right out.
>
> I was told that I can buy replacement rubber at Cinnabar. It takes
> 2 types and I would need 43' of bead gasket (they call it the small
> gasket) at $1.35 a foot and 33' of vent gasket (they call it the large
> gasket) at $1.50 a foot. According to math that is about $130 including
>
> shipping and sales tax. Not that much I guess to repair the windows?
>
> I was also told it is a real pain to install. The guy said that after I
> do one
> window I'll be back to have the rest of them done or I'll be in the
> hospital
> getting a new thumb put on my hands
>
> Are these prices reasonable? Maybe I should get this from Jim Bounds?
>
> Is it really that hard to install?
>
> Richard Waters '76 PB, Troy, MI

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Darren Paget
76 Experimental
Another Fab Day
paget
 
If you want an alternative, I wil sell you completely redone newly powder
coated, resealed windows. These are like brand new. I really would like to
change to the new style by Enhancements. I am just trying to off set some of the
cost. What are your thumbs and your time worth. If interested contact me and
we can discuss. Darren

> In a message dated 9/8/99 8:21:37 PM Central Daylight Time,

>
> > apparently I have the 2nd version window with a rubber strip
> > > around each of them. The rubber is starting to fall away in a
> > > few places and one of the windows looks like it's in danger
> > > of actually falling right out.
> >
> Richard
>
> Maybe I should have been more clear last night. If all you have to do
> is replace the rubber strips it is not to bad of a job. Thats what I thought
> was needed on mine. When I got the rubber strips off the next
> problem showed up. The glass is glued to the frame of the window.
> All of my glass had shifted. That was why the rubber strips were falling
> out. If this is not the case on your windows then Darren is right its not
> that bad of a job. You wont be able to see if the glass has shifted until
> you get the rubber out. If yours are not leaking then you may not have
> this problem. From what you said about the rubber is falling out it
> almost sounds to me that some of your glass has shifted. The real
> problem on mine was that the butyl tape across the top of each frame
> had dried out. This is the tape between the window frame and body.
> The reason I said to find somebody you trust is because ask 5
> people what you should use and you will get at least 3 different answers.
>
> Take Care
> Arch 76 GB IL

- --
Darren Paget
76 Experimental
Another Fab Day
paget
 
As always Arch, thanks for taking the time to share your experience with me.
I should have know, you always seem to have "already been there and done that"
on
most of the things that I have tackled.

> In a message dated 9/8/99 8:21:37 PM Central Daylight Time,

>
> > apparently I have the 2nd version window with a rubber strip
> > > around each of them. The rubber is starting to fall away in a
> > > few places and one of the windows looks like it's in danger
> > > of actually falling right out.
> >
> Richard
>
> Maybe I should have been more clear last night. If all you have to do
> is replace the rubber strips it is not to bad of a job. Thats what I thought
> was needed on mine. When I got the rubber strips off the next
> problem showed up. The glass is glued to the frame of the window.
> All of my glass had shifted. That was why the rubber strips were falling
> out. If this is not the case on your windows then Darren is right its not
> that bad of a job. You wont be able to see if the glass has shifted until
> you get the rubber out.

The driver side window in the bedroom area has shifted. Most of the small
rubber gasket has separated from the glass. The window has moved about
1/2 inch to the rear. I put some electrical tape on the gap just to keep the
rain
out. The other windows seem to be in decent shape, except the small gasket
is pulling out from the corners on some of them. There is some water leakage
on the one bad window. I don't know about the others. I sure hope I don't
have to take the windows out. I'll call Jim Bounds Friday to get his advice
and order the stuff I need.

Gee it sure seems that my GMC has been very creative and deliberate on the
things it chooses to go wrong. Not enough at any one time to discourage me,
but never the less enough to keep me busy.

> If yours are not leaking then you may not have
> this problem. From what you said about the rubber is falling out it
> almost sounds to me that some of your glass has shifted. The real
> problem on mine was that the butyl tape across the top of each frame
> had dried out. This is the tape between the window frame and body.
> The reason I said to find somebody you trust is because ask 5
> people what you should use and you will get at least 3 different answers.
>

Richard
 
Darren,
I'm going to call Jim. I've also begun thumb workouts to get
in shape for the thumb wrestling that I know I will soon be doing.
Richard

> Not that hard to install. It is hard on the thumbs though. Get the parts
> from Jim. They were cheaper and he has the whole kit. Darren
>

>
> > While I had my coach in to Cinnabar for some follow up work on
> > Tuesday, I noticed my windows are falling apart!
> >
> > I apparently I have the 2nd version window with a rubber strip
> > around each of them. The rubber is starting to fall away in a
> > few places and one of the windows looks like it's in danger
> > of actually falling right out.
> >
> > I was told that I can buy replacement rubber at Cinnabar. It takes
> > 2 types and I would need 43' of bead gasket (they call it the small
> > gasket) at $1.35 a foot and 33' of vent gasket (they call it the large
> > gasket) at $1.50 a foot. According to math that is about $130 including
> >
> > shipping and sales tax. Not that much I guess to repair the windows?
> >
> > I was also told it is a real pain to install. The guy said that after I
> > do one
> > window I'll be back to have the rest of them done or I'll be in the
> > hospital
> > getting a new thumb put on my hands
> >
> > Are these prices reasonable? Maybe I should get this from Jim Bounds?
> >
> > Is it really that hard to install?
> >
> > Richard Waters '76 PB, Troy, MI
>
> --
> Darren Paget
> 76 Experimental
> Another Fab Day
> paget
 
My window outer retainers needs to be replaced too. And Jim Bounds will be
the source. I think I'll look for a discarded polyethylene (?) kitchen
cutting board and try to fashion some kind of pushing/compressing tool (s)
rather than receding my thumbs' nail line further. JMHO

>Darren,
>I'm going to call Jim. I've also begun thumb workouts to get
>in shape for the thumb wrestling that I know I will soon be doing.
>Richard

Ritch, with short thumb nail lines,

As always, best regards.

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Yes I will break up the set. Are you planning on going to Albuquerque?
Darren

> Darren
> Do you want to sell the windows as a set or will you break up the set.
> Several years ago we had the large fixed curb side window broken by
> vandals. The local glass company fabricated a replacement, but it is
> not curved. The slider will not open. We might be interested in the
> curb assembly. Let me know what you think.
>
> Eric Tipton
> etipton
>
> If you want an alternative, I wil sell you completely
> redone newly powder
> coated, resealed windows. These are like brand new. I
> really would like to
> change to the new style by Enhancements. I am just
> trying to off set some of the
> cost. What are your thumbs and your time worth. If
> interested contact me and
> we can discuss. Darren

- --
Darren Paget
76 Experimental
Another Fab Day
paget
 
It must be common. While I was wandering around Cinnabar and
Buskrik's the other day I spotted several coaches with the rubber
pulling away from the corners of their windows. I have 3
windows starting to pull away. One if real bad and needs
prompt attention.
Richard

> > The other windows seem to be in decent shape, except the small gasket
> > is pulling out from the corners on some of them. There is some water
> > leakage
> > on the one bad window. I don't know about the others. I sure hope I don't
> > have to take the windows out. I'll call Jim Bounds Friday to get his
> advice
> > and order the stuff I need.
> >
> Richard
>
> The rubber strips pulling out at the corners is common. That stuff
> shrinks with age. I wish you luck.
>
> Take Care
> Arch
 
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