Why not ION lug centered wheels?

JR Williams

JR Williams

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Hello all.

I've just recently purchased a 77' Birchhaven 23' and I couldn't be more happy. Like with any older vehicle, it needs some love here and there. I knew
this going in and have padded my bank with some extra funds. One place that needs the love above some other wants is the Wheels and Tires.

I'm currently running on original Steel 16.5 with tire dates from 03' to 14'. Not ideal. After pouring over the forums, talking to the pros, everybody
points to the hub centered wheels Alcoa or ION.

After searching the web I came across these ION wheels at a reasonable price but they have slightly different details from the Alcoa

https://www.jegs.com/i/The-Wheel-Group/306/167-6681FP/10002/-1

Would these work and if not why?

JR
 
Hub bore on the ION is130.18mm convert to inches =5.125"
GMC hub bore is 4.567"

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 6:37 PM jronguitar--- via Gmclist <

> Hello all.
>
> I've just recently purchased a 77' Birchhaven 23' and I couldn't be more
> happy. Like with any older vehicle, it needs some love here and there. I
> knew
> this going in and have padded my bank with some extra funds. One place
> that needs the love above some other wants is the Wheels and Tires.
>
> I'm currently running on original Steel 16.5 with tire dates from 03' to
> 14'. Not ideal. After pouring over the forums, talking to the pros,
> everybody
> points to the hub centered wheels Alcoa or ION.
>
> After searching the web I came across these ION wheels at a reasonable
> price but they have slightly different details from the Alcoa
>
> https://www.jegs.com/i/The-Wheel-Group/306/167-6681FP/10002/-1
>
> Would these work and if not why?
>
> JR
>
>
>
>
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Bruce Hart
1976 Palm Beach
Milliken, Co
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I wouldn't run lug centered on a heavy vehicle. GM used hub centered so wouldn't feel comfortable behind the wheel where I could cause injuries or worse IF something happened.
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John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
 
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We have the exact hub centered Ion wheels. Go to our sight ;
www.gmcrvparts.com
Also call Nick or myself

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 8:08 PM tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist <

> You might be able to have centering rings made up perhaps?
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> We have the exact hub centered Ion wheels. Go to our sight ;
> www.gmcrvparts.com
> Also call Nick or myself
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 8:08 PM tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist <

>
>> You might be able to have centering rings made up perhaps?
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>> Rich Mondor,
>>
>> Brockville, ON
>>
>> 77 Hughes 2600
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> jimk
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
>
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
 
Why do we have or need hub centered wheels? It has nothing to do with weight carrying ability. GM decided to use dually wheels on the GMC and the
dually wheels had hub centering. Once the wheels are tightened down the weight is supported by the clamping force and not the center of the hub.

The hub centering on dually wheels was used to center the inside wheel in position while the outside wheel was being mounted in a dually
configuration.
In our case we are not clamping two wheels together and do not have the need for the inside wheel to be held in position while the outside wheel is
mounted and the pair tightened down.

That said, I did not look at the particular spec on this wheel as compared to what we need. I did notice there was no max air pressure or weight
rating on these wheels in the advertisement.
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
I have been running stud centered Weld aluminum wheels for about 12 years with no issues. (Thank you Terry Taylor). I am also running stud
centering 2" front wheel spacers so no need for grinding calipers for clearance. I also just took off a set of Barn kept Goodyear 159s dated 2005
that looked as good as the new replacement Taiwanese tires.
I like the Ion wheels. The ? I have is that there is 2 different closed end 9/16 x18 lug nuts offered. The Long is 1.75" and the Duplex is 1.88".
Is there a difference in a long and a duplex that appears the same just longer??
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C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
 
In answer to my own question. The L lug nut uses a 3/4 lug wrench and the Duplex uses a 7/8 lug nut.

> I have been running stud centered Weld aluminum wheels for about 12 years with no issues. (Thank you Terry Taylor). I am also running stud
> centering 2" front wheel spacers so no need for grinding calipers for clearance. I also just took off a set of Barn kept Goodyear 159s dated 2005
> that looked as good as the new replacement Taiwanese tires.
> I like the Ion wheels. The ? I have is that there is 2 different closed end 9/16 x18 lug nuts offered. The Long is 1.75" and the Duplex is
> 1.88". Is there a difference in a long and a duplex that appears the same just longer??

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C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
 
> We have the exact hub centered Ion wheels. Go to our sight ;
> www.gmcrvparts.com
> Also call Nick or myself

Jim,

The on-line catalog says Non-Hub-Centered.

Matt
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Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
JR,

Welcome to the group, family, cult, asylum.....

I am glad you found your way here, and I hope that you are also real glad too.

I see you are working the group as the forum. That be the case, as soon as you have time, please create a sigfile for us. To do this, go to and then . There will be a signature box right there. Please fill in a name you go by, a bit about the coach
and major mods (this can matter) and a geographic reference (It does say St. Petersburg in the header, but the e-mail readers don't see that).

When it comes to coaches, you should not have to tell anybody here that a Birchhaven is a 23, but the 77 might matter. There is a lot of Coachmen
documentation available. If you don't have it, ask where to find it. I can't tell you, but I have seen it.

It is a shame that you were too late for Tallahassee, but Sunshine Statesmen and Dixielanders have rallies all the time. It is worth your while to
get to one. But, be ready for Paterson (near NOLA) in the spring.

You are now a member of a community that is like few others. These are helping and supportive people that want to see that you get to enjoy both the
coach and what it can do for you. They keep no secret of this and are always eager to assist where ever they can. This is one of the reasons to have
a full sigfile. Someone that lives nearby will probably read this later today and may even make contact. Such is not uncommon. There is also maybe
a "lunch bunch" nearby.

As the only community that I know that is at all this supportive is that of the watermen that are my world, I like to greet new owners here much as
one might be greeted there. So,

May the Good Lord bless this coach and all those that set forth within her.

Welcome JR

Matt

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Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
> Why do we have or need hub centered wheels? It has nothing to do with weight carrying ability. GM decided to use dually wheels on the GMC and
> the dually wheels had hub centering. Once the wheels are tightened down the weight is supported by the clamping force and not the center of the
> hub.
>
> The hub centering on dually wheels was used to center the inside wheel in position while the outside wheel was being mounted in a dually
> configuration.
> In our case we are not clamping two wheels together and do not have the need for the inside wheel to be held in position while the outside wheel
> is mounted and the pair tightened down.
>
> That said, I did not look at the particular spec on this wheel as compared to what we need. I did notice there was no max air pressure or weight
> rating on these wheels in the advertisement.

They say a hub centered wheel runs truer that stud centered because the hub center is more accurate placing the wheel in true alignment with
centerline of the axle.....not sure how realistic that is but i have never had drivability issues with hub centered but on the other hand i have with
stud centered.
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Rich Mondor,

Brockville, ON

77 Hughes 2600
 
As I remember it, there was a big kerfuffle about front wheel drive
vehicles and lug centered wheels not staying concentric with the axle
centerline. Even some recalls. You can bet your bippy that GM would never
have gone to the trouble of hub centering if there was not some compelling
reason to do so. Like D.O.T. regulations.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 7:32 AM tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist <

> > Why do we have or need hub centered wheels? It has nothing to do with
> weight carrying ability. GM decided to use dually wheels on the GMC and
> > the dually wheels had hub centering. Once the wheels are tightened down
> the weight is supported by the clamping force and not the center of the
> > hub.
> >
> > The hub centering on dually wheels was used to center the inside wheel
> in position while the outside wheel was being mounted in a dually
> > configuration.
> > In our case we are not clamping two wheels together and do not have the
> need for the inside wheel to be held in position while the outside wheel
> > is mounted and the pair tightened down.
> >
> > That said, I did not look at the particular spec on this wheel as
> compared to what we need. I did notice there was no max air pressure or
> weight
> > rating on these wheels in the advertisement.
>
> They say a hub centered wheel runs truer that stud centered because the
> hub center is more accurate placing the wheel in true alignment with
> centerline of the axle.....not sure how realistic that is but i have never
> had drivability issues with hub centered but on the other hand i have with
> stud centered.
> --
> Rich Mondor,
>
> Brockville, ON
>
> 77 Hughes 2600
>
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I have a set of lug centered Eagles (from Applied GMC) on the rear of my coach. They use the mag style lug nuts and run as true as any hub centered
wheel. I run a pair of 16" X 8" Dodge truck wheels on the front which use conical lug nuts and run true on the hubs. GM did a great job of machining
the hubs, front and rear, to make theigs concentric. My coach has been equipped this way for most of my 11 year and 44,000 mile ownership.

I also have a Ford F-600 truck that has 6 lug wheels. They are NOT hub centered but use conical lugs (big ones) to hold the wheels on, so the "heavy
vehicle" argument does not seem to hold water here.
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Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles,
Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
 
Matt,
I think your on our old site.
They are Hub centered and only we have them made for us that way.
Ill try to post the right link.
Don't people know we have 95% of all the parts and accessories. Plus we
spend tremendous amount of time explaining howto do things and
referring people to others that will assist them when they mention our
association to them.
By the way, these wheels are not marked up double as some of you think.
It comes standard with SS Valve stems, not a short rubber ones you have
problems with.

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 8:32 AM Carl Stouffer via Gmclist <

> I have a set of lug centered Eagles (from Applied GMC) on the rear of my
> coach. They use the mag style lug nuts and run as true as any hub centered
> wheel. I run a pair of 16" X 8" Dodge truck wheels on the front which use
> conical lug nuts and run true on the hubs. GM did a great job of machining
> the hubs, front and rear, to make theigs concentric. My coach has been
> equipped this way for most of my 11 year and 44,000 mile ownership.
>
> I also have a Ford F-600 truck that has 6 lug wheels. They are NOT hub
> centered but use conical lugs (big ones) to hold the wheels on, so the
> "heavy
> vehicle" argument does not seem to hold water here.
> --
> Carl Stouffer
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive,
> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American
> Eagles,
> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
>
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
 
JimK

I noticed on your site you have Aluminum Alloy - Matte Black that are "Non Hub Centered" any issues with these? What has been your feedback with
customers regarding?

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JR Williams
St Petersburg FL
77 Birchaven
 
Hello Matt C,

Thanks for the warm welcome. I've already found this group to be the warmest and that's pretty swell.

I updated my info and am in compliance. Looking forward to meeting one day.

JR
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JR Williams
St Petersburg FL
77 Birchaven
 
https://www.gmcrvparts.com/product-p/hub-centered.htm

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 10:03 AM jronguitar--- via Gmclist <

> Hello Matt C,
>
> Thanks for the warm welcome. I've already found this group to be the
> warmest and that's pretty swell.
>
> I updated my info and am in compliance. Looking forward to meeting one day.
>
> JR
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> JR Williams
> St Petersburg FL
> 77 Birchaven
>
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
 
OK, here's some detail I hope somebody can clear up. I'm beginning to see double searching for answers... here we go.

The wheel I'm looking at...

ION 167 series
Backspacing / 7.516"
Offset / 4.01575"

Compared to...

Alcoa Classic 8 (160231)
Backspacing / 8.13"
Offset / 5.15"

The differences...

Backspacing / 0.614
Offset / 1.15

What issues will the ION have?

JR
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JR Williams
St Petersburg FL
77 Birchaven
 
I have a set of the IONs on my 75 GMC

No problems at all with them. Bought them off Amazon a year ago for
$127.50. Just checked the price on Amazon and they are up to $154.49
but if you look at price history the were $133.97 on Aug 20th of this year.

The same thing for Firestone Transforce 16.5. Most of the time I see them
for $129.00 but a while back they were down to $110.00 then up to $155.00

Just got to catch them at the right time I guess.

You can find the rating for the wheels on IONs site. I think I remember
they were good for 85 psi and around 3200 lbs.

Bob
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Bob Broadwell
75 Eleganza II-Rebuilt performance engine, Manny trans, Manny 1-ton front end, 73 23ft with a side bath getting some updates-both living in Las Vegas
 
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