Had the left front tire on my Astro fixed at a tire center Sat. Was just on Interstate 380 at 70 MPH. Noticed a sound that didn't sound good. Pulled to the side of the interstate right then. All the lug nuts were about 20% unscrewed. The LP fill problem, and this can get people killed. Bob Dunahugh
Who do we trust? Do we have to check others work more often now days?
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I had new tires installed by a Discount Tire dealer a few years back on my GMC. On the way home I felt a vibration on the front and pulled over and found the right front tire loose and wobbling. I tighten the nuts and
I turned around and went back to the dealer. They found that none of the wheels had been torqued. So since then I have always checked the torque of lug nuts myself after getting work done on tires. Many times I have found then only torqued to 60 or 80 ft lbs. in spite of my instructions to torque to 140 ft-lbs. Incompetence is rampant!
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
>
> Had the left front tire on my Astro fixed at a tire center Sat. Was just on Interstate 380 at 70 MPH. Noticed a sound that didn't sound good. Pulled to the side of the interstate right then. All the lug nuts were about 20% unscrewed. The LP fill problem, and this can get people killed. Bob Dunahugh
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I turned around and went back to the dealer. They found that none of the wheels had been torqued. So since then I have always checked the torque of lug nuts myself after getting work done on tires. Many times I have found then only torqued to 60 or 80 ft lbs. in spite of my instructions to torque to 140 ft-lbs. Incompetence is rampant!
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
>
> Had the left front tire on my Astro fixed at a tire center Sat. Was just on Interstate 380 at 70 MPH. Noticed a sound that didn't sound good. Pulled to the side of the interstate right then. All the lug nuts were about 20% unscrewed. The LP fill problem, and this can get people killed. Bob Dunahugh
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My nearest Discount Tire outlet claims to use settable torque wrenches for final tightening. I have watched them do it!
D C "Mac" Macdonald
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Since 30 November '53
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I had new tires installed by a Discount Tire dealer a few years back on my GMC. On the way home I felt a vibration on the front and pulled over and found the right front tire loose and wobbling. I tighten the nuts and
I turned around and went back to the dealer. They found that none of the wheels had been torqued. So since then I have always checked the torque of lug nuts myself after getting work done on tires. Many times I have found then only torqued to 60 or 80 ft lbs. in spite of my instructions to torque to 140 ft-lbs. Incompetence is rampant!
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
>
> Had the left front tire on my Astro fixed at a tire center Sat. Was just on Interstate 380 at 70 MPH. Noticed a sound that didn't sound good. Pulled to the side of the interstate right then. All the lug nuts were about 20% unscrewed. The LP fill problem, and this can get people killed. Bob Dunahugh
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I had new tires installed by a Discount Tire dealer a few years back on my GMC. On the way home I felt a vibration on the front and pulled over and found the right front tire loose and wobbling. I tighten the nuts and
I turned around and went back to the dealer. They found that none of the wheels had been torqued. So since then I have always checked the torque of lug nuts myself after getting work done on tires. Many times I have found then only torqued to 60 or 80 ft lbs. in spite of my instructions to torque to 140 ft-lbs. Incompetence is rampant!
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
>
> Had the left front tire on my Astro fixed at a tire center Sat. Was just on Interstate 380 at 70 MPH. Noticed a sound that didn't sound good. Pulled to the side of the interstate right then. All the lug nuts were about 20% unscrewed. The LP fill problem, and this can get people killed. Bob Dunahugh
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G'day,
As many of you know I worked on the Project Apollo backpack as a technician. I had a desire to advance myself in the company and to
do so I read HEAPS of management books, one of which was "In Search of Excellence" (or something like that).
One of the engineers I worked with A LOT during Project Apollo became the Director of the Hamilton Standard operation at the Johnson
Spacecraft Center. From time to time he and I would discuss the problems he had.
He cracked up when I told him never mind EXCELLENCE I thought he should write a book titled; "In Search of COMPETENCE."
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Emery Stora
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 11:08 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Who do we trust? Do we have to check others work more often now days?
I had new tires installed by a Discount Tire dealer a few years back on my GMC. On the way home I felt a vibration on the front and
pulled over and found the right front tire loose and wobbling. I tighten the nuts and
I turned around and went back to the dealer. They found that none of the wheels had been torqued. So since then I have always
checked the torque of lug nuts myself after getting work done on tires. Many times I have found then only torqued to 60 or 80 ft
lbs. in spite of my instructions to torque to 140 ft-lbs. Incompetence is rampant!
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
As many of you know I worked on the Project Apollo backpack as a technician. I had a desire to advance myself in the company and to
do so I read HEAPS of management books, one of which was "In Search of Excellence" (or something like that).
One of the engineers I worked with A LOT during Project Apollo became the Director of the Hamilton Standard operation at the Johnson
Spacecraft Center. From time to time he and I would discuss the problems he had.
He cracked up when I told him never mind EXCELLENCE I thought he should write a book titled; "In Search of COMPETENCE."
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Emery Stora
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 11:08 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Who do we trust? Do we have to check others work more often now days?
I had new tires installed by a Discount Tire dealer a few years back on my GMC. On the way home I felt a vibration on the front and
pulled over and found the right front tire loose and wobbling. I tighten the nuts and
I turned around and went back to the dealer. They found that none of the wheels had been torqued. So since then I have always
checked the torque of lug nuts myself after getting work done on tires. Many times I have found then only torqued to 60 or 80 ft
lbs. in spite of my instructions to torque to 140 ft-lbs. Incompetence is rampant!
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
Any repair or installation - not limited to GMCs or even vehicles - is as good as the competence and time available to the person doing the work. My
experience has been that neither are available in any quantity at the big box stores and many of the retail chains. The independents tend to do a
better job but there's great variation between individual shops. Best case is to develop a relationship and nurture it.
--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
experience has been that neither are available in any quantity at the big box stores and many of the retail chains. The independents tend to do a
better job but there's great variation between individual shops. Best case is to develop a relationship and nurture it.
--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
See the same back here in KC. Having a hard time finding someone to do the simpilist things on the motorhome. Good things is I'm fed up with it and
learning to do it myself. Last place I took it too charged me 500+ buck to service the transmission and time the ignition. The did not time it right
and could not get the transmission pan to seal. Took it back after 3 weeks back and forth with
them and did it all myself, and its correct now. Thanks with the help of you guys! But I see the same on other things too. Not sure what is going on
anymore, but not good!
learning to do it myself. Last place I took it too charged me 500+ buck to service the transmission and time the ignition. The did not time it right
and could not get the transmission pan to seal. Took it back after 3 weeks back and forth with
them and did it all myself, and its correct now. Thanks with the help of you guys! But I see the same on other things too. Not sure what is going on
anymore, but not good!
Education system decided everyone should go to college and did away with all shop courses. Big mistake.
Hal Kading 78 Buskirk Stretch Las Cruces NM
Hal Kading 78 Buskirk Stretch Las Cruces NM
There was an article on the news last night noting that a large percentage of college graduates in Australia think their degree is
worthless when it comes to getting a job!
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Hal Kading
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 4:42 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Who do we trust? Do we have to check others work more often now days?
Education system decided everyone should go to college and did away with all shop courses. Big mistake.
Hal Kading
worthless when it comes to getting a job!
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Hal Kading
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 4:42 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Who do we trust? Do we have to check others work more often now days?
Education system decided everyone should go to college and did away with all shop courses. Big mistake.
Hal Kading
I'm currently reading a book (Cartoon, my speed) by Larry Gonick and a psychologist from a midwestern school called "Hyper Capitalism" which points
out to a degree how this has come about; and while I don't agree with all the conclusions drawn it does give some food for thought.
--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
out to a degree how this has come about; and while I don't agree with all the conclusions drawn it does give some food for thought.
--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
A few years ago in Ontario, (Canada) there was a rash of wheels coming off heavy trucks. Several people were
killed (takes that to get the attention of the politicians) Now, in Ontario, everyone who instals wheels on
vehicles over some GVW must have taken and passed a course on the sublect. The fine for a wheel coming
off a heavy vehicle due to loose wheel nuts is $50,000, Suddenly a LOT less wheels are falling off.
Stil happens but is rarely due to loose lug nuts.
Also a lot of heavy vehicles in Ontario now have tell-tales on the lug nuts. (including the BIG School
Bus I drive daily)
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DAVE KING
lurker, wannabe
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
killed (takes that to get the attention of the politicians) Now, in Ontario, everyone who instals wheels on
vehicles over some GVW must have taken and passed a course on the sublect. The fine for a wheel coming
off a heavy vehicle due to loose wheel nuts is $50,000, Suddenly a LOT less wheels are falling off.
Stil happens but is rarely due to loose lug nuts.
Also a lot of heavy vehicles in Ontario now have tell-tales on the lug nuts. (including the BIG School
Bus I drive daily)
--
DAVE KING
lurker, wannabe
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Im not sure if the difference is ignorance or apathy...or some combination of the two.
This is why I have historically tried to do most home, auto and RV repairs and modifications myself. Its important to know ones limitations though,
and having had a few setbacks health wise as well as getting older I can see that I will need to farm more things out.
I have a habit of playing dumb with a shop, tech or contractor just to see what they will tell me. Its appalling sometimes. Often rather than argue I
just walk away.
Particularly acute at least locally is a lack of a machine shop I can trust to do precision work.
--
76 Glenbrook
This is why I have historically tried to do most home, auto and RV repairs and modifications myself. Its important to know ones limitations though,
and having had a few setbacks health wise as well as getting older I can see that I will need to farm more things out.
I have a habit of playing dumb with a shop, tech or contractor just to see what they will tell me. Its appalling sometimes. Often rather than argue I
just walk away.
Particularly acute at least locally is a lack of a machine shop I can trust to do precision work.
--
76 Glenbrook
I'va a gray haired machinist buddy who breed my brand of BWDs in Missouri. The few times I need something precise I send him the prints and it comes
back correct.
--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
back correct.
--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
Local Honda installed 4 new tires on my Fit. This Fall, needed to remove one for flat repair. It took a 3/4 inch breaker bar and a 10 foot steel pipe
to get enough leverage to break free the over-torqued lug nuts. And, the dealer wonders why the Honda will never go back to his shop.
The dealer did the tires only because no one else had the correct tire size without a 3 day lead time.
On the bright side, following a youtube video, I now have a remote lock/unlock fob for the base model Fit. Total investment, $40.
Tom
--
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
to get enough leverage to break free the over-torqued lug nuts. And, the dealer wonders why the Honda will never go back to his shop.
The dealer did the tires only because no one else had the correct tire size without a 3 day lead time.
On the bright side, following a youtube video, I now have a remote lock/unlock fob for the base model Fit. Total investment, $40.
Tom
--
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
No one comes within air hose reach of any of my vehicles. I brought my Alcoas to tire shop 3 at a time then rechecked balance on my machine before
installing and hand torquing to the Alcoa pattern. Don't get me started with directional and corner specific tire / wheel mounting. 3rd Gen Firebirds
with 16x8 have front and rear only wheels stamped FRONT and REAR in the castings. Due to different offsets. Put a rear in front on one side only and
it will pull the wheel out of your hand if you brake hard. I was aware of this so it was easy to spot on friends car with eratic handling problems.
Then he had a guy super over torque aluminum wheel nuts with an impact 90 spec up to 150. So he want back and the mgr had the tech redo the car by
setting a tq wrench to 90 and hitting all the lugs, but never loosened them first. So he said they were all FINE. All fine but still at 150.
--
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
installing and hand torquing to the Alcoa pattern. Don't get me started with directional and corner specific tire / wheel mounting. 3rd Gen Firebirds
with 16x8 have front and rear only wheels stamped FRONT and REAR in the castings. Due to different offsets. Put a rear in front on one side only and
it will pull the wheel out of your hand if you brake hard. I was aware of this so it was easy to spot on friends car with eratic handling problems.
Then he had a guy super over torque aluminum wheel nuts with an impact 90 spec up to 150. So he want back and the mgr had the tech redo the car by
setting a tq wrench to 90 and hitting all the lugs, but never loosened them first. So he said they were all FINE. All fine but still at 150.
--
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
I mount wheels while the coach is on stands. I start all threads by hand,
always. I run the nuts with an air tool, that is set on lowest setting.
With my shop air supply and a good Ingersoll air wrench, that equates to
about 70 ft. pounds. I then lower the coach to the ground and torque by
hand. Never trust an air wrench. Too many variables.
I too, have encountered lugs too tight to be loosened by a 1/2" air
wrench. But, it scares me more to find loose lugs. Seen quite a few broken
studs on GMC motorhomes. 150 ft.lbs is a lot of torque on a 9/16" fastener.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
> No one comes within air hose reach of any of my vehicles. I brought my
> Alcoas to tire shop 3 at a time then rechecked balance on my machine before
> installing and hand torquing to the Alcoa pattern. Don't get me started
> with directional and corner specific tire / wheel mounting. 3rd Gen
> Firebirds
> with 16x8 have front and rear only wheels stamped FRONT and REAR in the
> castings. Due to different offsets. Put a rear in front on one side only
> and
> it will pull the wheel out of your hand if you brake hard. I was aware of
> this so it was easy to spot on friends car with eratic handling problems.
> Then he had a guy super over torque aluminum wheel nuts with an impact 90
> spec up to 150. So he want back and the mgr had the tech redo the car by
> setting a tq wrench to 90 and hitting all the lugs, but never loosened
> them first. So he said they were all FINE. All fine but still at 150.
> --
> John Lebetski
> Woodstock, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
>
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always. I run the nuts with an air tool, that is set on lowest setting.
With my shop air supply and a good Ingersoll air wrench, that equates to
about 70 ft. pounds. I then lower the coach to the ground and torque by
hand. Never trust an air wrench. Too many variables.
I too, have encountered lugs too tight to be loosened by a 1/2" air
wrench. But, it scares me more to find loose lugs. Seen quite a few broken
studs on GMC motorhomes. 150 ft.lbs is a lot of torque on a 9/16" fastener.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
> No one comes within air hose reach of any of my vehicles. I brought my
> Alcoas to tire shop 3 at a time then rechecked balance on my machine before
> installing and hand torquing to the Alcoa pattern. Don't get me started
> with directional and corner specific tire / wheel mounting. 3rd Gen
> Firebirds
> with 16x8 have front and rear only wheels stamped FRONT and REAR in the
> castings. Due to different offsets. Put a rear in front on one side only
> and
> it will pull the wheel out of your hand if you brake hard. I was aware of
> this so it was easy to spot on friends car with eratic handling problems.
> Then he had a guy super over torque aluminum wheel nuts with an impact 90
> spec up to 150. So he want back and the mgr had the tech redo the car by
> setting a tq wrench to 90 and hitting all the lugs, but never loosened
> them first. So he said they were all FINE. All fine but still at 150.
> --
> John Lebetski
> Woodstock, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
>
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I'm saddened yet at the same time relieved to hear that other people encounter the same problems I've ran into. I was starting to think I'm just being
unreasonable in my expectations or something along those lines.
I recently had tires installed on my passenger car. About a day later I thought that the car did not feel right - it was getting a weird bump sound
at certain times. I lifted the car and determined that one of the bushings on the front was going bad. I wanted to take the wheel off check few more
things there. Got my lug wrench from the trunk - lug nuts would not budge. Got a longer and larger 3/8" ratchet to help... I managed to twist off
the square tip on the end of the ratchet - the lug nuts did not budge. In the end I had to get a 24" long 1/2" breaker bar with an additional 3 foot
pipe extension on the handle and my entire girth on that lever to finally loosen the lug nuts. Next day took the car back to the tire shop explained
to them what the issue was - over tightening lug nuts. They just laughed me off and tried to explain that it is not possible to torque the nuts that
much with their impact guns. I made them loosen every lug nut, and then I tightened them myself with the hand held lug wrench. I promised the
manager that he will never see another dime of my money and will not see any one of my personal vehicles of the small fleet of trucks and trailers I
manage at work.
I don't think this problem is related to "everybody going to college" as someone earlier put it. The people who work in these chain repair shops
never spend a day in college. What is worse, it seems like the on the job training is not there for them ether. So you end up with unqualified people
doing the work. Worse yet... Since we live in a disposable society, the problem is amplified by the fact that even the car owners don't really cares
if the work done on their car is not very good. Many times I've heard something along the lines of - "...oh well, my car is now 3 or 4 of years old
now, and it doesn't sync with my IPhone, I don't want to fix it - I'm just going to buy me a new shiny one sooner..." This attitude drives me up the
wall :x
Like many people on this forum, long ago I learned to do all the work on my personal vehicles myself. It is sad, but true - if you want it done right
- do it yourself. Out of more than a dozen repair shops in my area I trust only two mechanics in two different shops. Lucky for me they both are not
close to retiring and both have experience with the 455s and carburetors if I ever need extra help.
--
Vadim Jitkov
'76 Glenbrook 26'
Pullman, WA
unreasonable in my expectations or something along those lines.
I recently had tires installed on my passenger car. About a day later I thought that the car did not feel right - it was getting a weird bump sound
at certain times. I lifted the car and determined that one of the bushings on the front was going bad. I wanted to take the wheel off check few more
things there. Got my lug wrench from the trunk - lug nuts would not budge. Got a longer and larger 3/8" ratchet to help... I managed to twist off
the square tip on the end of the ratchet - the lug nuts did not budge. In the end I had to get a 24" long 1/2" breaker bar with an additional 3 foot
pipe extension on the handle and my entire girth on that lever to finally loosen the lug nuts. Next day took the car back to the tire shop explained
to them what the issue was - over tightening lug nuts. They just laughed me off and tried to explain that it is not possible to torque the nuts that
much with their impact guns. I made them loosen every lug nut, and then I tightened them myself with the hand held lug wrench. I promised the
manager that he will never see another dime of my money and will not see any one of my personal vehicles of the small fleet of trucks and trailers I
manage at work.
I don't think this problem is related to "everybody going to college" as someone earlier put it. The people who work in these chain repair shops
never spend a day in college. What is worse, it seems like the on the job training is not there for them ether. So you end up with unqualified people
doing the work. Worse yet... Since we live in a disposable society, the problem is amplified by the fact that even the car owners don't really cares
if the work done on their car is not very good. Many times I've heard something along the lines of - "...oh well, my car is now 3 or 4 of years old
now, and it doesn't sync with my IPhone, I don't want to fix it - I'm just going to buy me a new shiny one sooner..." This attitude drives me up the
wall :x
Like many people on this forum, long ago I learned to do all the work on my personal vehicles myself. It is sad, but true - if you want it done right
- do it yourself. Out of more than a dozen repair shops in my area I trust only two mechanics in two different shops. Lucky for me they both are not
close to retiring and both have experience with the 455s and carburetors if I ever need extra help.
--
Vadim Jitkov
'76 Glenbrook 26'
Pullman, WA
Right along this line....
I have a lift in my barn. People think I have it so I can save money on oil changes.
Well, that is not really it. I have always done a lot of my own work, but used to farm out lube services. I thought I had a reputable shop. But
once I had to go under that car for something, and noticed a scratch on the oil filter. I didn't think much of it under I was under there again (for
the same reason) and noticed that the oil filter (that I had just paid to replace) had the same scratch....
I always do my own services now. And with the lift, I can take my time to inspect everything underneath.
When I ran an engine lab, I was always looking for good techs. Sometimes I would find one to do work on the family cars and after we cultivated a
good relationship, sometimes I would offer said tech a job in the labs. This was universally a mistake for me, because when the tech had a
comfortable and stable job, he didn't want to do my work anymore....
That is why the coach is in my barn getting ready to pull the engine out the front. (Lenzi-esk type)
Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
I have a lift in my barn. People think I have it so I can save money on oil changes.
Well, that is not really it. I have always done a lot of my own work, but used to farm out lube services. I thought I had a reputable shop. But
once I had to go under that car for something, and noticed a scratch on the oil filter. I didn't think much of it under I was under there again (for
the same reason) and noticed that the oil filter (that I had just paid to replace) had the same scratch....
I always do my own services now. And with the lift, I can take my time to inspect everything underneath.
When I ran an engine lab, I was always looking for good techs. Sometimes I would find one to do work on the family cars and after we cultivated a
good relationship, sometimes I would offer said tech a job in the labs. This was universally a mistake for me, because when the tech had a
comfortable and stable job, he didn't want to do my work anymore....
That is why the coach is in my barn getting ready to pull the engine out the front. (Lenzi-esk type)
Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
Take a walk through a parking lot and see how many RED dots are lined up
with the valve stem. Red rules, Not yellow at the stem or worse still
nothing lined up with the stem at all.
At a tire shop I was told the colored dots doesn't mean anything, just
manufacturers markings...guess they didn't get the memo !
Mike in NM
> Right along this line....
> I have a lift in my barn. People think I have it so I can save money on
> oil changes.
> Well, that is not really it. I have always done a lot of my own work, but
> used to farm out lube services. I thought I had a reputable shop. But
> once I had to go under that car for something, and noticed a scratch on
> the oil filter. I didn't think much of it under I was under there again
> (for
> the same reason) and noticed that the oil filter (that I had just paid to
> replace) had the same scratch....
>
> I always do my own services now. And with the lift, I can take my time to
> inspect everything underneath.
>
> When I ran an engine lab, I was always looking for good techs. Sometimes
> I would find one to do work on the family cars and after we cultivated a
> good relationship, sometimes I would offer said tech a job in the labs.
> This was universally a mistake for me, because when the tech had a
> comfortable and stable job, he didn't want to do my work anymore....
>
> That is why the coach is in my barn getting ready to pull the engine out
> the front. (Lenzi-esk type)
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>
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Michael Beaton
1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
Antigonish, NS
Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
with the valve stem. Red rules, Not yellow at the stem or worse still
nothing lined up with the stem at all.
At a tire shop I was told the colored dots doesn't mean anything, just
manufacturers markings...guess they didn't get the memo !
Mike in NM
> Right along this line....
> I have a lift in my barn. People think I have it so I can save money on
> oil changes.
> Well, that is not really it. I have always done a lot of my own work, but
> used to farm out lube services. I thought I had a reputable shop. But
> once I had to go under that car for something, and noticed a scratch on
> the oil filter. I didn't think much of it under I was under there again
> (for
> the same reason) and noticed that the oil filter (that I had just paid to
> replace) had the same scratch....
>
> I always do my own services now. And with the lift, I can take my time to
> inspect everything underneath.
>
> When I ran an engine lab, I was always looking for good techs. Sometimes
> I would find one to do work on the family cars and after we cultivated a
> good relationship, sometimes I would offer said tech a job in the labs.
> This was universally a mistake for me, because when the tech had a
> comfortable and stable job, he didn't want to do my work anymore....
>
> That is why the coach is in my barn getting ready to pull the engine out
> the front. (Lenzi-esk type)
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>
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Michael Beaton
1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
Antigonish, NS
Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
What red dots?
This is new to me too
________________________________
From: Gmclist on behalf of Kingsley Coach
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:05 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Who do we trust? Do we have to check others work more often now days?
Take a walk through a parking lot and see how many RED dots are lined up
with the valve stem. Red rules, Not yellow at the stem or worse still
nothing lined up with the stem at all.
At a tire shop I was told the colored dots doesn't mean anything, just
manufacturers markings...guess they didn't get the memo !
Mike in NM
-----------------------------------------------
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View, MN
1975 ex-Royale.
Microlevel Ride height controller
This is new to me too
________________________________
From: Gmclist on behalf of Kingsley Coach
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:05 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Who do we trust? Do we have to check others work more often now days?
Take a walk through a parking lot and see how many RED dots are lined up
with the valve stem. Red rules, Not yellow at the stem or worse still
nothing lined up with the stem at all.
At a tire shop I was told the colored dots doesn't mean anything, just
manufacturers markings...guess they didn't get the memo !
Mike in NM
-----------------------------------------------
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View, MN
1975 ex-Royale.
Microlevel Ride height controller
Check this out.
http://www.tirebusiness.com/article/20070813/ISSUE/308139967/are-you-seeing-dots-those-color-coded-sidewall-markings-serve-a-purpose http://www.tirebusiness.com/article/20070813/ISSUE/308139967/are-you-seeing-dots-those-color-coded-sidewall-markings-serve-a-purpose
Emery Stora
>
>
> What red dots?
> This is new to me too
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of Kingsley Coach
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:05 AM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Who do we trust? Do we have to check others work more often now days?
>
> Take a walk through a parking lot and see how many RED dots are lined up
> with the valve stem. Red rules, Not yellow at the stem or worse still
> nothing lined up with the stem at all.
> At a tire shop I was told the colored dots doesn't mean anything, just
> manufacturers markings...guess they didn't get the memo !
>
> Mike in NM
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> Keith Vasilakes
>
> Mounds View, MN
>
> 1975 ex-Royale.
>
> Microlevel Ride height controller
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http://www.tirebusiness.com/article/20070813/ISSUE/308139967/are-you-seeing-dots-those-color-coded-sidewall-markings-serve-a-purpose http://www.tirebusiness.com/article/20070813/ISSUE/308139967/are-you-seeing-dots-those-color-coded-sidewall-markings-serve-a-purpose
Emery Stora
>
>
> What red dots?
> This is new to me too
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of Kingsley Coach
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:05 AM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Who do we trust? Do we have to check others work more often now days?
>
> Take a walk through a parking lot and see how many RED dots are lined up
> with the valve stem. Red rules, Not yellow at the stem or worse still
> nothing lined up with the stem at all.
> At a tire shop I was told the colored dots doesn't mean anything, just
> manufacturers markings...guess they didn't get the memo !
>
> Mike in NM
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> Keith Vasilakes
>
> Mounds View, MN
>
> 1975 ex-Royale.
>
> Microlevel Ride height controller
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