wheel balance

Apr 18, 1999
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I have gone to the material used inside
the tires that the truckers use called
Equal. I find it works great!!

Bob Morris
Cortland NY 13045
74 Elganza SE
jayhawk

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Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 1:59 PM
Subject: GMC: wheel balance

> List, et al; I have found in the past that no
one has the ability to balance
> my tires. Is there anything I can buy that
centers on the 16.5 wheels that I
> can use at my local shop's spin balancer? Any
help and advice gladly
> accepted. Fremont-23', 1973 with original
wheels.
>
 
Who else is using Equal inside their tires?
Does it really work, where do you get, how much does it cost?

Bill Macdonald
77 Kingsley
Beaverton, OR

Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:13:32 -0500
From: "Robert Morris"
Subject: Re: GMC: wheel balance

I have gone to the material used inside
the tires that the truckers use called
Equal. I find it works great!!

Bob Morris
Cortland NY 13045
74 Elganza SE
jayhawk
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-gmcmotorhome
[mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Hanson9
Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 1:00 PM
To: gmcmotorhome
Subject: GMC: wheel balance

List, et al; I have found in the past that no one has the ability to balance
my tires. Is there anything I can buy that centers on the 16.5 wheels that I
can use at my local shop's spin balancer? Any help and advice gladly
accepted. Fremont-23', 1973 with original wheels.

Mr. Hanson,

I've owned a '77 Palm Beach since 1986. Among other things, I spent the
first 8 years trying to balance the 16.5 inch wheels and repairing exhaust
leaks to no avail. My advice is to spring for the Alcoa wheels and Doug
Thorley headers. You'll feel like you've got a new motorhome.
 
I am really not sure that using equal in GMC motorhome tires is the answer
for the simple fact that most of us cannot control the amount of moisture in
our air when we add it to the tires. It is especially bad when we are on
the road and find that one or more tires are down a little. Moisture causes
the substance to clot and than the balance is even worse.

The problem with GMC motorhome wheels is that they do not have a centering
hole and have a large offset. At the factory they wheels were promatched to
the tires to get optimal conditions to balance them.

When you have your GMC wheels and tires balanced make sure that they are
always balanced with the wheel to the outside of the balancer, the same as
they will be mounted on your motorhome. In addition make sure that you make
a deal with the dealer that after the first one is balanced they remove it
from the balancer, roll it around the room and than remount it on the
balancer and run it up again. If you do not get the exact same results, the
machine is not able to balance the GMC tires.

I would suggest you call the Hoffman company and ask what dealer in your
area has the Hoffman Geodyna Pro-match tire balancer. Their number is
1-800-251-4500 (613-962-9138 in Canada)

>
> Who else is using Equal inside their tires?
> Does it really work, where do you get, how much does it cost?
>
> Bill Macdonald
> 77 Kingsley
> Beaverton, OR >>
>
>Bill,
>
>I got mine at Les Schwab's in Independence. It was a bargain (Alcoa paid for
>it as part of their recall deal). I was told Equal is slightly more
>expensive than dynamic balancing, but was peferred by the shop for tires
>larger than passenger car tires. Here, the logging trucks use Equal because
>of the way their tires are abused on rough roads. Seems to be the only thing
>that'll keep their tires halfway in balance.
>
>There should be a Les Schwab near you that can tell you what it costs and
>whether they have the installation device. If they don't carry Equal, have
>them call the Independence shop and find out about it. 503 838 6340.
>
>Happy trails and smooth riding,
>
>Glenn
>78 Kingsley II
>Independence, OR
>
>
 
Arch many of the tire dealers now have people that are minimally trained and
do not know how to properly balance a duelly wheel. In addition they do not
have the proper adapters to mount the GMC rim to the machine, causing the
wheel to be mounted cocked, and thus unable to balance.

Also many coaches have other problems like bad wheel bearings or loose
bearings, bad shocks, bad knuckles all of which give the appearance of out
of balance tires.

>In a message dated 12/11/1999 8:23:09 PM Central Standard Time,

>
>>
>> I am really not sure that using equal in GMC motorhome tires is the answer
>> for the simple fact that most of us cannot control the amount of moisture
>in
>> our air
>
>Tom
>
>Could you please tell me what the problem is here. I agree with you on
>the powders added to tires, they can be a problem. I do not understand
>why there is so much problem with 16 inch wheels with our offset. GMC
>dually trucks run them. Is it because I live in a rural area and this is not
>an uncommon tire to balance or what? I am not trying to start a fight I am
>just wondering what the big deal is. 2 Year ago I saw the stuff about
>Alcoa wheels and the prices. Heck my Sears store beat the wheel and
>tire prices. Then my tire dealer that I had done business with for 30 beat
>them all. Then when I started seeing this stuff about checking to see if
>your tires were really balanced I took the lady back in after about 50 miles
>driving her and ask that one tire be removed and checked. It was fine.
>Yes, I was standing there watching the machine. He charged me $10
>and I think he was miffed. Could someone explain what this problem
>is all about? I dont understand.
>
>Take Care
>Arch
>
>
 
>
> > Who else is using Equal inside their tires?
> > Does it really work, where do you get, how much does it cost?

I have been using Equal for about a year. It solved a balance problem that=
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I have had for over 10 years. I never could find someone to properly=20
balance my 16.5" steel wheels. After getting new tires and a couple tries=20
at spin balancing I gave up and tried Equal. So far so good. Just remember=
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to position the valve stems at the top and blow a little air into them=20
(this clears the powder out of the valve stem) before checking the air=20
pressure.

Here are a couple links that I used to help make the decision to try the=20
dry balance approach. The second is pretty long and doesn't mention wheel=20
balancing until somewhere in the middle of the article.

http://www.ccjmagazine.com/balance.htm
http://jppsosat.randolph.af.mil/transformer/issue14/vehmx.html

> If I had it all to do over, I'd still look for someone to properly=20
> balance
>the wheels, THEN add the Counteract/Equal.

My understanding is that it will not work properly if there are wheel=20
weights already on the tires. I think the instructions say that you should=
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remove the weights before installing equal. I did some experiments this=20
summer with another vehicle (91 Jeep) and what I found bears this out.

This summer I was trying to see if I could use powdered silica gel (its=20
sold at craft stores for drying flowers) to balance tires. My jeep was in=20
need of new tires so I thought I could experiment a bit before having the=20
tires replaced. If the experiments where a failure it was no big deal since=
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I would be replacing the tires anyway. In the end it worked quite well. I=20
was able to balance the tires and ran them another 10K miles before the=20
tread was bad enough that they needed to be replaced.

I posted this to the list earlier but here it is again for anyone else who=
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may be interested:
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I made an injector out of a length of metal pipe, two reducing fittings, a=
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hose barb, an air valve and a length of 1/4" rubber hose. I removed the=20
valve from the valve stem on the wheel. Then I put 3 oz of silica gel in=20
the pipe. I attach the rubber hose between the pipe and the tires valve=20
stem. I slowly turn on the air and the air pressure blows the silica gel=20
from the pipe into the tire. Then I replace the valve and fill the tire to=
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normal pressure.

So far my test results have been inconclusive. When I first installed the=20
silica gel it seemed to work intermittently. It would run smooth for a=20
while and then, if I hit a patch of rough pavement, it would start=20
vibrating. Later I removed the wheel weights. That seemed to solve the=20
problem. Now it runs smooth all the time. Actually the end results are=20
quite impressive.

But the reason I say my results are inconclusive is that I don't know how=20
bad the tires and wheels are when there are no weights and no balancing=20
compound inside. Maybe removing the weights is all I needed to do. There is=
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no simple way to do that test now unless I dismount the tires and vacuum=20
out the silica gel. So at this point I would say that it may work but more=
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real world testing would have to be done to know for sure.

Other notes. If anyone is interested in trying this experiment here are=20
some other things to think about:

I chose silica gel because its cheap ($10 for 1.5 lbs), stable, has a=20
course texture (like very fine sand) and absorbs moisture. If there is=20
moisture in the tire (from the compressed air) then the moisture may=20
condense or freeze during the winter and cause the power to clump up.=20
Silica gel absorbs moisture so it should stay loose even during cold=
weather.

Be sure to dry the silica gel before placing it in the tire. I baked mine=20
on a cookie sheet for about an hour at 300 degrees. Most Silica gel has=20
indicator particles that will change color (mine went from brown to blue)=20
when its dry.

Be sure the pipe is at least long enough so that you don't fill it more=20
than half way with the silica gel. If the pipe is too short the powder will=
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not flow freely when the air is turned on.

Never open the air valve unless there is air pressure applied to the valve.=
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Opening the air valve with no pressure will allow the powder to get into=20
the valve and trash the seals in the valve.

When checking your tire pressure the powder tends to get into the tire=20
valve and cause slow leaks. Be sure the valve stem is at the top when=20
checking air pressure. I blow a little air into the tire to clear the dust=
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before checking the pressure. I also use metal valve stem caps with rubber=
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seals. The metal caps will hold the pressure even if the valve leaks.

Hope this is food for thought for anyone else interested in experimenting.=
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If you try this, please post your results to the list. Maybe we can come up=
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with a cheap and dirty way to keep our wheels/tires in balance.

Dave
Ann Arbor, MI.
73 Sequoia (26'/455/EFI/HEI/160=B0)