Water Consumption

l.j. christoph

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I have noticed in the past few trips that I am using water in the
radiator. It seems there is a leak somewhere and I am having a
hard time finding it. Changed the thermostat and also the short
bypass hose. I have looked for water leaks and I can't find any.
Is it possible that I have a head gasket going? How can I tell if
it is a head gasket?
 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-gmcmotorhome
>[mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of L.J. CHRISTOPH
>Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 8:39 PM
>To: gmcmotorhome
>Subject: GMC: Water Consumption
>
>
>I have noticed in the past few trips that I am using water in the
>radiator. It seems there is a leak somewhere and I am having a
>hard time finding it. Changed the thermostat and also the short
>bypass hose. I have looked for water leaks and I can't find any.
>Is it possible that I have a head gasket going? How can I tell if
>it is a head gasket?
>
>
Its been my experience that a leaking head gasket will cause white
smoke out the exhaust...
Rob Teed
 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-gmcmotorhome
>[mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Robert Teed
>Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 10:14 PM
>To: gmcmotorhome
>Subject: RE: GMC: Water Consumption
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-gmcmotorhome
>>[mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of L.J. CHRISTOPH
>>Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 8:39 PM
>>To: gmcmotorhome
>>Subject: GMC: Water Consumption
>>
>>
>>I have noticed in the past few trips that I am using water in the
>>radiator. It seems there is a leak somewhere and I am having a
>>hard time finding it. Changed the thermostat and also the short
>>bypass hose. I have looked for water leaks and I can't find any.
>>Is it possible that I have a head gasket going? How can I tell if
>>it is a head gasket?
>>
>>
>Its been my experience that a leaking head gasket will cause white
> smoke out the exhaust...
> Rob Teed
>
Im talking about other vehicles...as I just got My GMC. And Its
not running yet.
 
L.J. need more details.

1. Do you have a temp gauge that reads numbers or are you using the factory
one? What is it reading ie; is the engine overheating and are you losing
coolant out of the overflow?

2. have you replaced the radiator cap with the correct one?

3. Have you run a compression check on the engine?

4. (easiest) Have you filled the radiator with coolant to the top of the
neck, let the engine get up to temperature and watched the coolant for
bubbles from the exhaust. Optionally get a pressure tester to pressurize
the radiator and see if it will hold pressure. If it does not you either
have an external leak( you already said that you cannot find any external
leaks) or a head gasket.

>I have noticed in the past few trips that I am using water in the
>radiator. It seems there is a leak somewhere and I am having a
>hard time finding it. Changed the thermostat and also the short
>bypass hose. I have looked for water leaks and I can't find any.
>Is it possible that I have a head gasket going? How can I tell if
>it is a head gasket?
>
>
>
 
>
> I have noticed in the past few trips that I am using water in the
> radiator. It seems there is a leak somewhere and I am having a
> hard time finding it. Changed the thermostat and also the short
> bypass hose. I have looked for water leaks and I can't find any.
> Is it possible that I have a head gasket going? How can I tell if
> it is a head gasket?

Christopher,

If you think you have a blown or suspect head gasket problem, pick up a
cooling system presurizing pump with a guage. Snap it on the water cap
inlet and pump up the system. If it holds pressure, the leak could
still be there but small. Heat the engine up and test again, there may
now be a leak down. Next, turn on the engine and see if there is
cylinder pressure coming from the water inlet. If water is being forced
out the inlet, only while running, you may have a leaking head and or
gasket.
Good luck on your search.

Jim Bounds www.gmccoop.com
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: L.J. CHRISTOPH
To: gmcmotorhome
Date: Sunday, May 31, 1998 5:55 PM
Subject: GMC: Water Consumption

>I have noticed in the past few trips that I am using water in the
>radiator. It seems there is a leak somewhere and I am having a
>hard time finding it. Changed the thermostat and also the short
>bypass hose. I have looked for water leaks and I can't find any.
>Is it possible that I have a head gasket going? How can I tell if
>it is a head gasket?
>
>LJ.........The "Okie" method of checking for a leaking head gasket works
every time. Run your jewel up to a sturdy phone pole until it is touching.
Pull off the radiator cap and fill the radiator to the top so the water is
easy to see. Have someone put the transmission in high gear and then slowly
increase the engine speed. As the engine goes under load, if you have a bad
head gasket, the water in the radiator will bubble up. To find which side is
bad, drive around for a while and then pull the spark plugs. Usually the
plug nearest to the leak will be clean looking in relation to all the other
seven. Don't do the phone pole thing too long or your burn up the tranny. If
you knock down the phone pole, get the hell out of the area! Apologizies to
anyone from Oklahoma.........Jim Davis
 
>>
>> I have noticed in the past few trips that I am using water in the
>> radiator. It seems there is a leak somewhere and I am having a
>> hard time finding it. Changed the thermostat and also the short
>> bypass hose. I have looked for water leaks and I can't find any.
>> Is it possible that I have a head gasket going? How can I tell if
>> it is a head gasket?
>
>
>Christopher,
>
>If you think you have a blown or suspect head gasket problem, pick up a
>cooling system presurizing pump with a guage. Snap it on the water cap
>inlet and pump up the system. If it holds pressure, the leak could
>still be there but small. Heat the engine up and test again, there may
>now be a leak down. Next, turn on the engine and see if there is
>cylinder pressure coming from the water inlet. If water is being forced
>out the inlet, only while running, you may have a leaking head and or
>gasket.
>Good luck on your search.
>
>Jim Bounds www.gmccoop.com
>
>Chris:

I was loosing small amounts of water from the cooling system. It finally
showed up on the ground below the radiator. I noted it was leaking near
the bottom portion of radiator.
My transmission cooler was in that area and when I removed it there was
the leak (small pin hole). The leak was caused by the transmission cooler
rubbing against the radiator and eventually chaffed a small hole. I
cleaned the area, applied acid flux and solder which sealed the leak.
(remember that you have to drain the radiator completely or you won't heat
the area sufficient to have the solder stick to the radiator--the water
acts as a heat sink--)
Also check where any hose is water hose is rubbing against anything that
can chaff a small pin. I had one hose that chaffed a small which was routed
over the top of the radiator near the filler cap
Jim gave you some excellent advice. I would also suggest you check your
oil. It may be entering your engine through the cylinders/cylinders and
discolor your oil.

Bob
 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: L.J. CHRISTOPH
>To: gmcmotorhome
>Date: Sunday, May 31, 1998 5:55 PM
>Subject: GMC: Water Consumption
>
>
>>I have noticed in the past few trips that I am using water in the
>>radiator. It seems there is a leak somewhere and I am having a
>>hard time finding it. Changed the thermostat and also the short
>>bypass hose. I have looked for water leaks and I can't find any.
>>Is it possible that I have a head gasket going? How can I tell if
>>it is a head gasket?
>>
>>LJ.........The "Okie" method of checking for a leaking head gasket works
>every time. Run your jewel up to a sturdy phone pole until it is touching.
>Pull off the radiator cap and fill the radiator to the top so the water is
>easy to see. Have someone put the transmission in high gear and then slowly
>increase the engine speed. As the engine goes under load, if you have a bad
>head gasket, the water in the radiator will bubble up. To find which side is
>bad, drive around for a while and then pull the spark plugs. Usually the
>plug nearest to the leak will be clean looking in relation to all the other
>seven. Don't do the phone pole thing too long or your burn up the tranny. If
>you knock down the phone pole, get the hell out of the area! Apologizies to
>anyone from Oklahoma.........Jim Davis
>

LJ:

You may have a defective cap or the filler neck may be distorted.

Also the cap may not be installed correctly.

If I am not mistaken the arrow on the cap should be pointing to the
overflow hose when installed correctly.

The cap should be rated at 9 pounds.

Bob