Was oil filters, now batteries
- Thread starter david h. jarvis
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I don't know the best but Ultima's are no longer worth buying. I've used them for years but, since they began making them outside the US their quality
is junk. Last one lasted a year.
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is junk. Last one lasted a year.
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Patti & Jerry Burt Fresno, CA.
73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
77 Palm Beach
Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS - 49ers
A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour.
Whoops, that would be Optima.
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73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
77 Palm Beach
Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS - 49ers
A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour.
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Patti & Jerry Burt Fresno, CA.
73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
77 Palm Beach
Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS - 49ers
A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour.
FWIW our Delco rep told use there is no less quality in their shorter warranty batteries than the full 72 month ones, just less CCA. They are betting
with the higher CCA ones you won't need a warranty claim.
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John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
with the higher CCA ones you won't need a warranty claim.
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John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
http://jgdarden.com/batteryfaq/batbrand.htm
The full list of who makes what
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John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
The full list of who makes what
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John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
When I went to GM TRAINING, this is what they told us. We, Corporate
GENERAL MOTORS, of course would prefer that you replace GENUINE GM DELCO
with GENUINE GM DELCO. That being said, batteries are sold by the pound.
All factors of construction being equal, the heaviest battery is the best
battery. So when you pick up a T-105 Trojan and it is 15 pounds heavier
than a Delco, it is 15 pounds better, too.
Jim Hupy
On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 6:45 PM John R. Lebetski FWIW our Delco rep told use there is no less quality in their shorter
> warranty batteries than the full 72 month ones, just less CCA. They are
> betting
> with the higher CCA ones you won't need a warranty claim.
>
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> Woodstock, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
>
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GENERAL MOTORS, of course would prefer that you replace GENUINE GM DELCO
with GENUINE GM DELCO. That being said, batteries are sold by the pound.
All factors of construction being equal, the heaviest battery is the best
battery. So when you pick up a T-105 Trojan and it is 15 pounds heavier
than a Delco, it is 15 pounds better, too.
Jim Hupy
On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 6:45 PM John R. Lebetski FWIW our Delco rep told use there is no less quality in their shorter
> warranty batteries than the full 72 month ones, just less CCA. They are
> betting
> with the higher CCA ones you won't need a warranty claim.
>
> --
> John Lebetski
> Woodstock, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
>
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Sorry, James, but that is not necessary true. Years back I was touring Atlas Laboratories in New Jersey which was the testing lab for all Standard Oil companies. In their battery testing area they showed some cutaways of various batteries. They tested theirs against other brands. A couple of them had a 1” thick slab of lead lying inside the bottom of the case not connected to anything. They told me the sole purpose was to make the battery heavier. Their testing showed it was actually inferior to the others but since many people feel that a heavier battery was better, it was a cheap way to add weight. So much for “the heavier the better “.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
>
> When I went to GM TRAINING, this is what they told us. We, Corporate
> GENERAL MOTORS, of course would prefer that you replace GENUINE GM DELCO
> with GENUINE GM DELCO. That being said, batteries are sold by the pound.
> All factors of construction being equal, the heaviest battery is the best
> battery. So when you pick up a T-105 Trojan and it is 15 pounds heavier
> than a Delco, it is 15 pounds better, too.
> Jim Hupy
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 6:45 PM John R. Lebetski
>> FWIW our Delco rep told use there is no less quality in their shorter
>> warranty batteries than the full 72 month ones, just less CCA. They are
>> betting
>> with the higher CCA ones you won't need a warranty claim.
>>
>> --
>> John Lebetski
>> Woodstock, IL
>> 77 Eleganza II
>>
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Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
>
> When I went to GM TRAINING, this is what they told us. We, Corporate
> GENERAL MOTORS, of course would prefer that you replace GENUINE GM DELCO
> with GENUINE GM DELCO. That being said, batteries are sold by the pound.
> All factors of construction being equal, the heaviest battery is the best
> battery. So when you pick up a T-105 Trojan and it is 15 pounds heavier
> than a Delco, it is 15 pounds better, too.
> Jim Hupy
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 6:45 PM John R. Lebetski
>> FWIW our Delco rep told use there is no less quality in their shorter
>> warranty batteries than the full 72 month ones, just less CCA. They are
>> betting
>> with the higher CCA ones you won't need a warranty claim.
>>
>> --
>> John Lebetski
>> Woodstock, IL
>> 77 Eleganza II
>>
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I said "All other factors being equal" which would include factors like you
mentioned. I was thinking about internal tie straps, vibration protection,
antimony alloy, electrolyte storage above the plates, insulation types, and
quality of construction like you mentioned, there are probably several
others. We recently lost one MAJOR player in the game, Die Hard by Sears.
That one will come back around and bite all of us in the butt.
Jim Hupy
On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 7:32 PM Emery Stora via Gmclist <
> Sorry, James, but that is not necessary true. Years back I was touring
> Atlas Laboratories in New Jersey which was the testing lab for all Standard
> Oil companies. In their battery testing area they showed some cutaways of
> various batteries. They tested theirs against other brands. A couple of
> them had a 1” thick slab of lead lying inside the bottom of the case not
> connected to anything. They told me the sole purpose was to make the
> battery heavier. Their testing showed it was actually inferior to the
> others but since many people feel that a heavier battery was better, it was
> a cheap way to add weight. So much for “the heavier the better “.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
>
> >
> > When I went to GM TRAINING, this is what they told us. We, Corporate
> > GENERAL MOTORS, of course would prefer that you replace GENUINE GM DELCO
> > with GENUINE GM DELCO. That being said, batteries are sold by the pound.
> > All factors of construction being equal, the heaviest battery is the best
> > battery. So when you pick up a T-105 Trojan and it is 15 pounds heavier
> > than a Delco, it is 15 pounds better, too.
> > Jim Hupy
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 6:45 PM John R. Lebetski >
> >> FWIW our Delco rep told use there is no less quality in their shorter
> >> warranty batteries than the full 72 month ones, just less CCA. They are
> >> betting
> >> with the higher CCA ones you won't need a warranty claim.
> >>
> >> --
> >> John Lebetski
> >> Woodstock, IL
> >> 77 Eleganza II
> >>
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mentioned. I was thinking about internal tie straps, vibration protection,
antimony alloy, electrolyte storage above the plates, insulation types, and
quality of construction like you mentioned, there are probably several
others. We recently lost one MAJOR player in the game, Die Hard by Sears.
That one will come back around and bite all of us in the butt.
Jim Hupy
On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 7:32 PM Emery Stora via Gmclist <
> Sorry, James, but that is not necessary true. Years back I was touring
> Atlas Laboratories in New Jersey which was the testing lab for all Standard
> Oil companies. In their battery testing area they showed some cutaways of
> various batteries. They tested theirs against other brands. A couple of
> them had a 1” thick slab of lead lying inside the bottom of the case not
> connected to anything. They told me the sole purpose was to make the
> battery heavier. Their testing showed it was actually inferior to the
> others but since many people feel that a heavier battery was better, it was
> a cheap way to add weight. So much for “the heavier the better “.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
>
> >
> > When I went to GM TRAINING, this is what they told us. We, Corporate
> > GENERAL MOTORS, of course would prefer that you replace GENUINE GM DELCO
> > with GENUINE GM DELCO. That being said, batteries are sold by the pound.
> > All factors of construction being equal, the heaviest battery is the best
> > battery. So when you pick up a T-105 Trojan and it is 15 pounds heavier
> > than a Delco, it is 15 pounds better, too.
> > Jim Hupy
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 6:45 PM John R. Lebetski >
> >> FWIW our Delco rep told use there is no less quality in their shorter
> >> warranty batteries than the full 72 month ones, just less CCA. They are
> >> betting
> >> with the higher CCA ones you won't need a warranty claim.
> >>
> >> --
> >> John Lebetski
> >> Woodstock, IL
> >> 77 Eleganza II
> >>
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BUT, how do you know “all other factors being equal” just by weighing the battery?You can’t see inside the case unless you cut it open.
Emery Stora
>
> I said "All other factors being equal" which would include factors like you
> mentioned. I was thinking about internal tie straps, vibration protection,
> antimony alloy, electrolyte storage above the plates, insulation types, and
> quality of construction like you mentioned, there are probably several
> others. We recently lost one MAJOR player in the game, Die Hard by Sears.
> That one will come back around and bite all of us in the butt.
> Jim Hupy
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 7:32 PM Emery Stora via Gmclist <
>
>> Sorry, James, but that is not necessary true. Years back I was touring
>> Atlas Laboratories in New Jersey which was the testing lab for all Standard
>> Oil companies. In their battery testing area they showed some cutaways of
>> various batteries. They tested theirs against other brands. A couple of
>> them had a 1” thick slab of lead lying inside the bottom of the case not
>> connected to anything. They told me the sole purpose was to make the
>> battery heavier. Their testing showed it was actually inferior to the
>> others but since many people feel that a heavier battery was better, it was
>> a cheap way to add weight. So much for “the heavier the better “.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
>>
>>
>>>
>>> When I went to GM TRAINING, this is what they told us. We, Corporate
>>> GENERAL MOTORS, of course would prefer that you replace GENUINE GM DELCO
>>> with GENUINE GM DELCO. That being said, batteries are sold by the pound.
>>> All factors of construction being equal, the heaviest battery is the best
>>> battery. So when you pick up a T-105 Trojan and it is 15 pounds heavier
>>> than a Delco, it is 15 pounds better, too.
>>> Jim Hupy
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 6:45 PM John R. Lebetski >>
>>>> FWIW our Delco rep told use there is no less quality in their shorter
>>>> warranty batteries than the full 72 month ones, just less CCA. They are
>>>> betting
>>>> with the higher CCA ones you won't need a warranty claim.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John Lebetski
>>>> Woodstock, IL
>>>> 77 Eleganza II
>>>>
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Emery Stora
>
> I said "All other factors being equal" which would include factors like you
> mentioned. I was thinking about internal tie straps, vibration protection,
> antimony alloy, electrolyte storage above the plates, insulation types, and
> quality of construction like you mentioned, there are probably several
> others. We recently lost one MAJOR player in the game, Die Hard by Sears.
> That one will come back around and bite all of us in the butt.
> Jim Hupy
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 7:32 PM Emery Stora via Gmclist <
>
>> Sorry, James, but that is not necessary true. Years back I was touring
>> Atlas Laboratories in New Jersey which was the testing lab for all Standard
>> Oil companies. In their battery testing area they showed some cutaways of
>> various batteries. They tested theirs against other brands. A couple of
>> them had a 1” thick slab of lead lying inside the bottom of the case not
>> connected to anything. They told me the sole purpose was to make the
>> battery heavier. Their testing showed it was actually inferior to the
>> others but since many people feel that a heavier battery was better, it was
>> a cheap way to add weight. So much for “the heavier the better “.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
>>
>>
>>>
>>> When I went to GM TRAINING, this is what they told us. We, Corporate
>>> GENERAL MOTORS, of course would prefer that you replace GENUINE GM DELCO
>>> with GENUINE GM DELCO. That being said, batteries are sold by the pound.
>>> All factors of construction being equal, the heaviest battery is the best
>>> battery. So when you pick up a T-105 Trojan and it is 15 pounds heavier
>>> than a Delco, it is 15 pounds better, too.
>>> Jim Hupy
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 6:45 PM John R. Lebetski >>
>>>> FWIW our Delco rep told use there is no less quality in their shorter
>>>> warranty batteries than the full 72 month ones, just less CCA. They are
>>>> betting
>>>> with the higher CCA ones you won't need a warranty claim.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John Lebetski
>>>> Woodstock, IL
>>>> 77 Eleganza II
>>>>
>>>>
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I guess that puts us back to blind brand loyalty, Ford vs Chev vs Chrysler,
etc. We can't cut them open, that's for sure.
Jim Hupy
On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 7:56 PM Emery Stora via Gmclist <
> BUT, how do you know “all other factors being equal” just by weighing the
> battery?You can’t see inside the case unless you cut it open.
>
> Emery Stora
>
> >
> > I said "All other factors being equal" which would include factors like
> you
> > mentioned. I was thinking about internal tie straps, vibration
> protection,
> > antimony alloy, electrolyte storage above the plates, insulation types,
> and
> > quality of construction like you mentioned, there are probably several
> > others. We recently lost one MAJOR player in the game, Die Hard by Sears.
> > That one will come back around and bite all of us in the butt.
> > Jim Hupy
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 7:32 PM Emery Stora via Gmclist <
> >
> >> Sorry, James, but that is not necessary true. Years back I was touring
> >> Atlas Laboratories in New Jersey which was the testing lab for all
> Standard
> >> Oil companies. In their battery testing area they showed some cutaways
> of
> >> various batteries. They tested theirs against other brands. A couple of
> >> them had a 1” thick slab of lead lying inside the bottom of the case not
> >> connected to anything. They told me the sole purpose was to make the
> >> battery heavier. Their testing showed it was actually inferior to the
> >> others but since many people feel that a heavier battery was better, it
> was
> >> a cheap way to add weight. So much for “the heavier the better “.
> >>
> >> Emery Stora
> >> 77 Kingsley
> >> Frederick, CO
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> When I went to GM TRAINING, this is what they told us. We, Corporate
> >>> GENERAL MOTORS, of course would prefer that you replace GENUINE GM
> DELCO
> >>> with GENUINE GM DELCO. That being said, batteries are sold by the
> pound.
> >>> All factors of construction being equal, the heaviest battery is the
> best
> >>> battery. So when you pick up a T-105 Trojan and it is 15 pounds heavier
> >>> than a Delco, it is 15 pounds better, too.
> >>> Jim Hupy
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 6:45 PM John R. Lebetski >>>
> >>>> FWIW our Delco rep told use there is no less quality in their shorter
> >>>> warranty batteries than the full 72 month ones, just less CCA. They
> are
> >>>> betting
> >>>> with the higher CCA ones you won't need a warranty claim.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> John Lebetski
> >>>> Woodstock, IL
> >>>> 77 Eleganza II
> >>>>
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etc. We can't cut them open, that's for sure.
Jim Hupy
On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 7:56 PM Emery Stora via Gmclist <
> BUT, how do you know “all other factors being equal” just by weighing the
> battery?You can’t see inside the case unless you cut it open.
>
> Emery Stora
>
> >
> > I said "All other factors being equal" which would include factors like
> you
> > mentioned. I was thinking about internal tie straps, vibration
> protection,
> > antimony alloy, electrolyte storage above the plates, insulation types,
> and
> > quality of construction like you mentioned, there are probably several
> > others. We recently lost one MAJOR player in the game, Die Hard by Sears.
> > That one will come back around and bite all of us in the butt.
> > Jim Hupy
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 7:32 PM Emery Stora via Gmclist <
> >
> >> Sorry, James, but that is not necessary true. Years back I was touring
> >> Atlas Laboratories in New Jersey which was the testing lab for all
> Standard
> >> Oil companies. In their battery testing area they showed some cutaways
> of
> >> various batteries. They tested theirs against other brands. A couple of
> >> them had a 1” thick slab of lead lying inside the bottom of the case not
> >> connected to anything. They told me the sole purpose was to make the
> >> battery heavier. Their testing showed it was actually inferior to the
> >> others but since many people feel that a heavier battery was better, it
> was
> >> a cheap way to add weight. So much for “the heavier the better “.
> >>
> >> Emery Stora
> >> 77 Kingsley
> >> Frederick, CO
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> When I went to GM TRAINING, this is what they told us. We, Corporate
> >>> GENERAL MOTORS, of course would prefer that you replace GENUINE GM
> DELCO
> >>> with GENUINE GM DELCO. That being said, batteries are sold by the
> pound.
> >>> All factors of construction being equal, the heaviest battery is the
> best
> >>> battery. So when you pick up a T-105 Trojan and it is 15 pounds heavier
> >>> than a Delco, it is 15 pounds better, too.
> >>> Jim Hupy
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 6:45 PM John R. Lebetski >>>
> >>>> FWIW our Delco rep told use there is no less quality in their shorter
> >>>> warranty batteries than the full 72 month ones, just less CCA. They
> are
> >>>> betting
> >>>> with the higher CCA ones you won't need a warranty claim.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> John Lebetski
> >>>> Woodstock, IL
> >>>> 77 Eleganza II
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> Who makes the best battery?
House or chassis?
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House or chassis?
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Peer Oliver Schmidt
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'76a 26' Eleganza II - Virginia, US
'73 23' Sequoia - Schleswig-Holstein, Germany
WOW! What a battery education that leads to!
In preparation for designing a solid state voltage regulator back when such
devices were rare, I did quite a bit of research into batteries -- I could
have used only: http://jgdarden.com/batteryfaq/index.htm
Check it out -- When you have lots of time for study.
Ken H.
On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 10:12 PM John R. Lebetski
wrote:
> http://jgdarden.com/batteryfaq/batbrand.htm
> The full list of who makes what
> --
>
In preparation for designing a solid state voltage regulator back when such
devices were rare, I did quite a bit of research into batteries -- I could
have used only: http://jgdarden.com/batteryfaq/index.htm
Check it out -- When you have lots of time for study.
Ken H.
On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 10:12 PM John R. Lebetski
wrote:
> http://jgdarden.com/batteryfaq/batbrand.htm
> The full list of who makes what
> --
>
Too bad their temp comp tables only go down to 0F, not minus 30F like we just had.
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Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
> Who makes the best battery?
> How many manufacturers are there?
> Who sells the best battery?
These are all good questions, and the answers are not easy.
I was required to learn more than I knew before because of the number of RFQ and contracts to upgrade performance cruisers.
For those that do not recognize this label, these are former racing yachts (limited or no creature comforts) that are still nice sailing boats, but no
longer competitive (low resale value) and now the owners want to keep them for cruising.
First the question has to be segregated by service:
Main engine start
House/hotel
Back up power
If you are going to mix any of these two, be ready for issues.
I never even quoted any of the new technology batteries as cost has always been an issue.
AGM beats flooded cell in every category except cost.
Of the AGM house batteries, Lifeline was a good supplier and there was never an issue. Some installations are now 10 seasons old.
If you are willing to spend the money for good flooded cell, Look to Trojan. This is a current love of the solar power installers.
If cost is less of an object (Yeah, Sure) there are the top line brands of Rolls and Surette. These are both known in the marine industry for their
quality and long cycle life. Both companies actually do cycle life testing.
For main engine starting batteries, the rolled cell (Looks like a 6-pack) batteries were hard to beat because of the low internal resistance that
makes for great cranking power.
As with others, I have seen (I did not have to warranty) problems with recent Optima batteries, but the Orbitals seem to have avoided the issue.
Flooded cell engine batteries are a complete crap-shoot. While there are apparently only three sources still operating in the USA (Johnson Controls,
Deka and Exide), they do run different lines for different clients. A client can even change suppliers at times.
Some installations wanted a standalone system for things of importance like the VHF radio and some navigational instruments. this is where a
Gell-Cell is great. They are very low leakage and I have seen them a year old, untouched and still at full power. There is a lot they are not good
at and they take special handling. This is what most UPS have in the box.
One thing that is a given, is that Lead Acid Batteries have a shelf life. So, when you are battery shopping, look for the month/year stickers. The
original house battery in the coach was a 4D. It was dead, so I went to the local Waste Marine and got a replacement. It was bad when I put it in.
Its replacement was better and lasted until I made a mistake and let the Buzz-Box fry it. This fall (when the coach first got back on the road, I
replaced the nine year old and getting weak but still serviceable GC2s from Sams with a pair of T105s. They are too new to report on at this time.
This will kind of frost some folks that have favorite brands, but as if it is any store brand that could change any time so be ready.
I hope this is a help to someone.
Matt
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Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
> How many manufacturers are there?
> Who sells the best battery?
These are all good questions, and the answers are not easy.
I was required to learn more than I knew before because of the number of RFQ and contracts to upgrade performance cruisers.
For those that do not recognize this label, these are former racing yachts (limited or no creature comforts) that are still nice sailing boats, but no
longer competitive (low resale value) and now the owners want to keep them for cruising.
First the question has to be segregated by service:
Main engine start
House/hotel
Back up power
If you are going to mix any of these two, be ready for issues.
I never even quoted any of the new technology batteries as cost has always been an issue.
AGM beats flooded cell in every category except cost.
Of the AGM house batteries, Lifeline was a good supplier and there was never an issue. Some installations are now 10 seasons old.
If you are willing to spend the money for good flooded cell, Look to Trojan. This is a current love of the solar power installers.
If cost is less of an object (Yeah, Sure) there are the top line brands of Rolls and Surette. These are both known in the marine industry for their
quality and long cycle life. Both companies actually do cycle life testing.
For main engine starting batteries, the rolled cell (Looks like a 6-pack) batteries were hard to beat because of the low internal resistance that
makes for great cranking power.
As with others, I have seen (I did not have to warranty) problems with recent Optima batteries, but the Orbitals seem to have avoided the issue.
Flooded cell engine batteries are a complete crap-shoot. While there are apparently only three sources still operating in the USA (Johnson Controls,
Deka and Exide), they do run different lines for different clients. A client can even change suppliers at times.
Some installations wanted a standalone system for things of importance like the VHF radio and some navigational instruments. this is where a
Gell-Cell is great. They are very low leakage and I have seen them a year old, untouched and still at full power. There is a lot they are not good
at and they take special handling. This is what most UPS have in the box.
One thing that is a given, is that Lead Acid Batteries have a shelf life. So, when you are battery shopping, look for the month/year stickers. The
original house battery in the coach was a 4D. It was dead, so I went to the local Waste Marine and got a replacement. It was bad when I put it in.
Its replacement was better and lasted until I made a mistake and let the Buzz-Box fry it. This fall (when the coach first got back on the road, I
replaced the nine year old and getting weak but still serviceable GC2s from Sams with a pair of T105s. They are too new to report on at this time.
This will kind of frost some folks that have favorite brands, but as if it is any store brand that could change any time so be ready.
I hope this is a help to someone.
Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
I bought an Optima red top in 1985. It finally died in 2010. So I started
buying them for everything in about 2008 I believe. Then I was lucky to get
3 years out of these later ones if I was lucky. there junk now. Bob
Dunahugh
buying them for everything in about 2008 I believe. Then I was lucky to get
3 years out of these later ones if I was lucky. there junk now. Bob
Dunahugh
What Tom said. I don't even stick a hand under my coach until it is cribbed safely with 4x4s. You will NOT survive it coming down with you under
it.
-johnny
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Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
it.
-johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
