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heinz wittenbecher

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Ahhh, come on now Emery. It only takes an arrow or delete keystroke to
ignore/delete those few marginals.

Lets not get too dry on this.... p u l e e s e.

Heinz

- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 10:26 PM
Subject: GMC: Vette and Ham WWW Sites

> I know this is not going to be taken well by some of you but there are so
> many postings on the GMCnet about subjects not related at all to GMCs.
> Recent ones on Corvettes and Ham operators are two examples. I like
Vettes
> and I have done some ham radio in earlier years but It takes so long to go
> through all the messages as it is now without expanding the scope of this
> site from that of GMCs. I know there are several Corvette sites and
several
> Ham Radio sites that would love to read those postings.
>
> Emery Stora
>
>
 
Well... Keep in mind that every one gets stuck in the digest and archives.

Patrick

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heinz Wittenbecher [mailto:heinz]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 1:58 AM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: Vette and Ham WWW Sites / non-GMC
>
>
> Ahhh, come on now Emery. It only takes an arrow or delete keystroke to
> ignore/delete those few marginals.
>
> Lets not get too dry on this.... p u l e e s e.
>
> Heinz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 10:26 PM
> Subject: GMC: Vette and Ham WWW Sites
>
>
> > I know this is not going to be taken well by some of you
> but there are so
> > many postings on the GMCnet about subjects not related at
> all to GMCs.
> > Recent ones on Corvettes and Ham operators are two examples. I like
> Vettes
> > and I have done some ham radio in earlier years but It
> takes so long to go
> > through all the messages as it is now without expanding the
> scope of this
> > site from that of GMCs. I know there are several Corvette sites and
> several
> > Ham Radio sites that would love to read those postings.
> >
> > Emery Stora
> >
> >
>
 
> Thanks, Heinz, I guess I'm the guilty party here. But dang, where do you
> draw the line? I try to contribute when I think I can, but most of what I
> know I learned while foolin' with corvettes or ham radio. /Travis

Travis, I hope you don't mind my taking your email back to the net as the
topic is of great concern to me as too much dissention or regimentation
would certainly turn me into a lurker, or even worse... cause me to retreat
back into my little corner/world of oblivion.

Perhaps a bad batch of beans (coffee beans that is :-) casuses the odd
grumpiness in all of us and sometimes you just can't help but have it come
and jump out somewhat unintentionally.

I kinda enjoy the occasional "marginal" comments as it gives me a little bit
of insight as to what other GMC'ers interests are and what they may be up to
when they're not fussin' about their GMC.

However... I do concurr that once a subject is past marginal and
specificially "about", then its place is private email and/or another list.

For my 2 cents of opinion, this list is great just as it is. The odd fringe
message is no more of a bother than the 50 odd messages describing the hows
and whys of the recirculating toilet and how it functions, as I don't have
one in my rig. It only takes seconds to scan an email and to tell whether
it's of interest to me or not and whether to nuke or next.

It's a small price to pay to get to know our family better. As with all
families, not everyone will agree with everything and everyone at all times.
That's why we watch, read, absorb and make up our own minds on things. It's
really no difference than reading the morning paper... we read what's of
interest and turn the page to ignore the rest.

Well, I'll get off my soapbox before someone kicks me off.... which brings
me to a point of great concern: I can only assume, but I do assume we have
lots of lurkers and lots of GMC'ers that arn't on the GMCnet yet. If I was
one of those I'd not only think twice before attempting a post, but 3,4,5
times and perhaps never become a contributor. That, I trust and hope will
never come to be.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but to me it seems that
perhaps as much as 90% of the traffic is by 10% of the "members". I for one
would dearly love to hear from and about the other 90% percent. Now before
the "exactos" jump on me... the 90/10 ratio is not meant as accurate but
rather to simply paint a picture.

Lets keep enjoying our GMC's.... and this list.

Heinz

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heinz Wittenbecher
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Date: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 1:03 AM
> Subject: Re: GMC: Vette and Ham WWW Sites / non-GMC
>
>
> >Ahhh, come on now Emery. It only takes an arrow or delete keystroke to
> >ignore/delete those few marginals.
> >
> >Lets not get too dry on this.... p u l e e s e.
> >
> >Heinz
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From:
> >To:
> >Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 10:26 PM
> >Subject: GMC: Vette and Ham WWW Sites
> >
> >
> >> I know this is not going to be taken well by some of you but there are
so
> >> many postings on the GMCnet about subjects not related at all to GMCs.
> >> Recent ones on Corvettes and Ham operators are two examples. I like
> >Vettes
> >> and I have done some ham radio in earlier years but It takes so long to
> go
> >> through all the messages as it is now without expanding the scope of
this
> >> site from that of GMCs. I know there are several Corvette sites and
> >several
> >> Ham Radio sites that would love to read those postings.
> >>
> >> Emery Stora
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
 
Perhaps we need to see what can be done to to apply some filtering before or
after or some scheme to break the digest back into messages that can be
filtered.

This may be a silly/stupid question Patrick, but does the Digest contain ALL
messages? Is the reason for digest that headers are not repeated? In short,
the advantage of subscribing to the digest are?

Perhaps you could email me one to enlighten me :-)

Thanks

Heinz

> Well... Keep in mind that every one gets stuck in the digest and archives.
>
> Patrick
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heinz Wittenbecher [mailto:heinz]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 1:58 AM
> > To: gmcmotorhome
> > Subject: Re: GMC: Vette and Ham WWW Sites / non-GMC
> >
> >
> > Ahhh, come on now Emery. It only takes an arrow or delete keystroke to
> > ignore/delete those few marginals.
> >
> > Lets not get too dry on this.... p u l e e s e.
> >
> > Heinz
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 10:26 PM
> > Subject: GMC: Vette and Ham WWW Sites
> >
> >
> > > I know this is not going to be taken well by some of you
> > but there are so
> > > many postings on the GMCnet about subjects not related at
> > all to GMCs.
> > > Recent ones on Corvettes and Ham operators are two examples. I like
> > Vettes
> > > and I have done some ham radio in earlier years but It
> > takes so long to go
> > > through all the messages as it is now without expanding the
> > scope of this
> > > site from that of GMCs. I know there are several Corvette sites and
> > several
> > > Ham Radio sites that would love to read those postings.
> > >
> > > Emery Stora
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
 
why make such a deal out of a few off topic messages - a few days and
they will be gone and forgotten

just remember that part of the reason for the group is to establish
comraderie and trust in each other - what better way then to know a
little bit more about each other other than we all own a GMC

my GMC is not my life - it is only a small part of my life - the
combination of all the pieces is what I really am

- --

ron keener near Austin, Texas http://MidAmericaBreedingTech.com
**************************************************************
* Amateur radio station WA0REE
*
* proud owner of classic 1978 GMC Birchaven motorhome
**************************************************************
 
>
> Heinz - I said my statement was not going to be popular. I'm sorry if I
was
> insensitive and I can see the other side as well. I was just getting
tired
> late in the evening and it seemed that I deleted about 30 of those
messages.

Ahhhhh.... it wasn't bad beans but too many :-)
....been there, done that... more times than I care to remember [g]

Like in any family, there are good days and bad days and hopefully by the
time the door on our GMC is closed for that last time it'll only be the good
days that are remembered by all.

> Perhaps we can go back to using the words "Non-GMC" in the Subject area as
> people were doing some time back so that those of us who use the archives
can
> weed out hundreds of messages that don't apply to the GMC.

I meant to add that reminder to my earlier email, but the hand was quicker
than the mind... which happens occasionally (ok... frequently [g]).

Glad you mentioned it.

Heinz

....and all you lurkers out there, don't be affeared to hit that "send"
button occasionally.

>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Santa Fe, NM
>
>
 
>
> Perhaps we need to see what can be done to to apply some
> filtering before or after or some scheme to break the
> digest back into messages that can be filtered.

The digest function is controlled by majordomo and, while I can control some
of the functions, I don't believe there is any way available to me to
"filter" messages out of the digest.

> This may be a silly/stupid question Patrick, but does the
> Digest contain ALL messages? Is the reason for digest
> that headers are not repeated? In short, the advantage
> of subscribing to the digest are?

Reduces the volume of mail greatly. Instead of 60 - 80 emails a day, you
get one or two BIG emails a day.

> Perhaps you could email me one to enlighten me :-)

Easier than that - just have a look at the archives. They're basically a
compilation of digests without the mail headers up top(I delete them
manually with a text editor before posting the digest).

Patrick
 
>
> > This may be a silly/stupid question Patrick, but does the
> > Digest contain ALL messages? Is the reason for digest
> > that headers are not repeated? In short, the advantage
> > of subscribing to the digest are?
>
> Reduces the volume of mail greatly. Instead of 60 - 80 emails a day, you
> get one or two BIG emails a day.
>

Pardon me for continuing my stupid streak :-)
Assuming each msg is 1k including headers, etc.
60 msgs in the digest... will the digest be 60k or much less?

> > Perhaps you could email me one to enlighten me :-)
>
> Easier than that - just have a look at the archives. They're basically a
> compilation of digests without the mail headers up top(I delete them
> manually with a text editor before posting the digest).

Do you remove all headers between messages. I.e. a 60 msg archive is smaller
than digest for same 60 msgs?
Sounds like you need a gadget (program) to create the archives?

Heinz

>
> Patrick
>
>
 
>
> >
> > > This may be a silly/stupid question Patrick, but does the
> > > Digest contain ALL messages? Is the reason for digest
> > > that headers are not repeated? In short, the advantage
> > > of subscribing to the digest are?
> >
> > Reduces the volume of mail greatly. Instead of 60 - 80
> > emails a day, you get one or two BIG emails a day.
> >
>
> Pardon me for continuing my stupid streak :-)
> Assuming each msg is 1k including headers, etc.
> 60 msgs in the digest... will the digest be 60k or much less?

With all email programs that I've ever tried, the whole(digest) was always
less than the sum of the parts. Some ISP's, specifically AOL and some of
the freemail companies, place a limit on number of messages vs. a MB limit
on mailbox size. Also, many "digesters" just enjoy the "one big email"
format(by now, you've already read Tim Brown's response which is an
excellent example).

> Do you remove all headers between messages. I.e. a 60 msg
> archive is smaller than digest for same 60 msgs?

No, just the email headers for each digest. The digest strips out mail
headers, with the exception of "To", "From", "Subject" and "Date" from the
individual messages. What's left when I'm done is one long text document.
If you try to archive each message separately, the minimum file size "Catch
22" will eat you alive for drive space.

> Sounds like you need a gadget (program) to create the archives?

Would be nice, but someone else will have to create it. I've got more than
I can handle right now and all available "spare"(defined as waking hours not
consumed by employer and family members) time is being spent trying to get
my coach back on the road.

Patrick
 
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