Paint looks great. Replaced all bumpers. 6 KYB shocks. Rear suspention. Serviced, cleaned, and painted along with the inter fender wells. New frig, Suburban furnace, Magic Chef cook top, Carrier roof A/C, and all new cushions/seats front to back. 455 compression # 150 to 155psi. That's new engine numbers. So with all of this. And there's a lot more to get done. I'm thinking that the EFI is a must option to have in a GMC that I want to sell in Sept. Rear disc brakes is another option that I'm thinking of. Bob Dunahugh
Value added for the Howell/GM EFI
- Thread starter Bob Dunahugh
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Bob,
When can I bring my coach and park it where you'll have to look at it every
day, so you'll be compelled to make IT "like new" again?
Ken H.
> Paint looks great. Replaced all bumpers. 6 KYB shocks. Rear suspention.
> Serviced, cleaned, and painted along with the inter fender wells. New frig,
> Suburban furnace, Magic Chef cook top, Carrier roof A/C, and all new
> cushions/seats front to back. 455 compression # 150 to 155psi. That's new
> engine numbers. So with all of this. And there's a lot more to get done.
> I'm thinking that the EFI is a must option to have in a GMC that I want to
> sell in Sept. Rear disc brakes is another option that I'm thinking of. Bob
> Dunahugh
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When can I bring my coach and park it where you'll have to look at it every
day, so you'll be compelled to make IT "like new" again?
Ken H.
> Paint looks great. Replaced all bumpers. 6 KYB shocks. Rear suspention.
> Serviced, cleaned, and painted along with the inter fender wells. New frig,
> Suburban furnace, Magic Chef cook top, Carrier roof A/C, and all new
> cushions/seats front to back. 455 compression # 150 to 155psi. That's new
> engine numbers. So with all of this. And there's a lot more to get done.
> I'm thinking that the EFI is a must option to have in a GMC that I want to
> sell in Sept. Rear disc brakes is another option that I'm thinking of. Bob
> Dunahugh
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I agree EFI is essential.
I would argue though that you should go with one of the newer ones like Fitech or MSD.
Howell is awesome but for your average user the Fitech and similar are much easier to use and troubleshoot, it has a warranty and a tech line, new
parts ready to overnight should something go wrong etc.
Not to mention easier for you to install and setup, bolt it on, run a couple wires and call it a day.
Just my opinion. (My flame suit is on awaiting angry rebuttals :d )
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http://www.thegmcrv.com/
1976 Palm Beach 455
I would argue though that you should go with one of the newer ones like Fitech or MSD.
Howell is awesome but for your average user the Fitech and similar are much easier to use and troubleshoot, it has a warranty and a tech line, new
parts ready to overnight should something go wrong etc.
Not to mention easier for you to install and setup, bolt it on, run a couple wires and call it a day.
Just my opinion. (My flame suit is on awaiting angry rebuttals :d )
--
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http://www.thegmcrv.com/
1976 Palm Beach 455
Rather than attempt to reconcile the EFI this'n'that argument, why not
stick with a tried & true carb. While not optimal, it leaves the
reconciliation to the new owner, who MAY have a strong preference.
Besides which, it knocks that much off of the sales price, always a good
thing.
JMHO,
Ken H.
> I agree EFI is essential.
> I would argue though that you should go with one of the newer ones like
> Fitech or MSD.
> Howell is awesome but for your average user the Fitech and similar are
> much easier to use and troubleshoot, it has a warranty and a tech line, new
> parts ready to overnight should something go wrong etc.
> Not to mention easier for you to install and setup, bolt it on, run a
> couple wires and call it a day.
>
> Just my opinion. (My flame suit is on awaiting angry rebuttals :d )
>
> --
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> http://www.thegmcrv.com/
> 1976 Palm Beach 455
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stick with a tried & true carb. While not optimal, it leaves the
reconciliation to the new owner, who MAY have a strong preference.
Besides which, it knocks that much off of the sales price, always a good
thing.
JMHO,
Ken H.
> I agree EFI is essential.
> I would argue though that you should go with one of the newer ones like
> Fitech or MSD.
> Howell is awesome but for your average user the Fitech and similar are
> much easier to use and troubleshoot, it has a warranty and a tech line, new
> parts ready to overnight should something go wrong etc.
> Not to mention easier for you to install and setup, bolt it on, run a
> couple wires and call it a day.
>
> Just my opinion. (My flame suit is on awaiting angry rebuttals :d )
>
> --
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> http://www.thegmcrv.com/
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Ken,
That's a good point! I'm not sure if the EFI is going to add as much in value as it costs. For the fitech you're around 1500 and the howell 2500
that's a large chunk of change when most of these are not selling high regardless of condition.
It may be hard to recoup the spending.
> Rather than attempt to reconcile the EFI this'n'that argument, why not
> stick with a tried & true carb. While not optimal, it leaves the
> reconciliation to the new owner, who MAY have a strong preference.
>
> Besides which, it knocks that much off of the sales price, always a good
> thing.
>
> JMHO,
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>
> > I agree EFI is essential.
> > I would argue though that you should go with one of the newer ones like
> > Fitech or MSD.
> > Howell is awesome but for your average user the Fitech and similar are
> > much easier to use and troubleshoot, it has a warranty and a tech line, new
> > parts ready to overnight should something go wrong etc.
> > Not to mention easier for you to install and setup, bolt it on, run a
> > couple wires and call it a day.
> >
> > Just my opinion. (My flame suit is on awaiting angry rebuttals :d )
> >
> > --
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> > http://www.thegmcrv.com/
> > 1976 Palm Beach 455
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That's a good point! I'm not sure if the EFI is going to add as much in value as it costs. For the fitech you're around 1500 and the howell 2500
that's a large chunk of change when most of these are not selling high regardless of condition.
It may be hard to recoup the spending.
> Rather than attempt to reconcile the EFI this'n'that argument, why not
> stick with a tried & true carb. While not optimal, it leaves the
> reconciliation to the new owner, who MAY have a strong preference.
>
> Besides which, it knocks that much off of the sales price, always a good
> thing.
>
> JMHO,
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>
> > I agree EFI is essential.
> > I would argue though that you should go with one of the newer ones like
> > Fitech or MSD.
> > Howell is awesome but for your average user the Fitech and similar are
> > much easier to use and troubleshoot, it has a warranty and a tech line, new
> > parts ready to overnight should something go wrong etc.
> > Not to mention easier for you to install and setup, bolt it on, run a
> > couple wires and call it a day.
> >
> > Just my opinion. (My flame suit is on awaiting angry rebuttals :d )
> >
> > --
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> > http://www.thegmcrv.com/
> > 1976 Palm Beach 455
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Ken. Your in luck. 2 friends are coming over Sat AM to help me pour a concrete pad that's 12X75ft next to my shop. After it's down. I've got all the equipment to do the finish work. I'll make it REAL smooth for you. I'm really good at that job. Bob Dunahugh
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From: Bob Dunahugh
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:45 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Value added for the Howell/GM EFI
Paint looks great. Replaced all bumpers. 6 KYB shocks. Rear suspention. Serviced, cleaned, and painted along with the inter fender wells. New frig, Suburban furnace, Magic Chef cook top, Carrier roof A/C, and all new cushions/seats front to back. 455 compression # 150 to 155psi. That's new engine numbers. So with all of this. And there's a lot more to get done. I'm thinking that the EFI is a must option to have in a GMC that I want to sell in Sept. Rear disc brakes is another option that I'm thinking of. Bob Dunahugh
________________________________
From: Bob Dunahugh
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:45 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Value added for the Howell/GM EFI
Paint looks great. Replaced all bumpers. 6 KYB shocks. Rear suspention. Serviced, cleaned, and painted along with the inter fender wells. New frig, Suburban furnace, Magic Chef cook top, Carrier roof A/C, and all new cushions/seats front to back. 455 compression # 150 to 155psi. That's new engine numbers. So with all of this. And there's a lot more to get done. I'm thinking that the EFI is a must option to have in a GMC that I want to sell in Sept. Rear disc brakes is another option that I'm thinking of. Bob Dunahugh
the only thing that is going to add value, is a good running coach. I don't think most potential buyers is going to really fuss if it has EFI or a
carb, as long as it runs, drives and stops for the price. The market is flooded with coaches that have many issues.
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carb, as long as it runs, drives and stops for the price. The market is flooded with coaches that have many issues.
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75 palm beach
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
If EFI units you mention ; like the MSD, and Fi Tech are that much better
than the Quadra Jet carbs that are rebuilt correctly and completly, then I
would be running it on my 403 Kinsly 78, but I run the Q Jet carb.
Should I decide to go for EFI, I will do the EBL/ Howell as it will give
the milage and performance as it gives full timing control that the others
cannot even touch.
If you understand that you'll see why.
We sell Fi Teck, MSD,Sniper and the rest, but they donot compare to the
EBL/Howll system.
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Ken Henderson
wrote:
> Rather than attempt to reconcile the EFI this'n'that argument, why not
> stick with a tried & true carb. While not optimal, it leaves the
> reconciliation to the new owner, who MAY have a strong preference.
>
> Besides which, it knocks that much off of the sales price, always a good
> thing.
>
> JMHO,
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>
> > I agree EFI is essential.
> > I would argue though that you should go with one of the newer ones like
> > Fitech or MSD.
> > Howell is awesome but for your average user the Fitech and similar are
> > much easier to use and troubleshoot, it has a warranty and a tech line,
> new
> > parts ready to overnight should something go wrong etc.
> > Not to mention easier for you to install and setup, bolt it on, run a
> > couple wires and call it a day.
> >
> > Just my opinion. (My flame suit is on awaiting angry rebuttals :d )
> >
> > --
> > Justin Brady
> > http://www.thegmcrv.com/
> > 1976 Palm Beach 455
> >
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than the Quadra Jet carbs that are rebuilt correctly and completly, then I
would be running it on my 403 Kinsly 78, but I run the Q Jet carb.
Should I decide to go for EFI, I will do the EBL/ Howell as it will give
the milage and performance as it gives full timing control that the others
cannot even touch.
If you understand that you'll see why.
We sell Fi Teck, MSD,Sniper and the rest, but they donot compare to the
EBL/Howll system.
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Ken Henderson
wrote:
> Rather than attempt to reconcile the EFI this'n'that argument, why not
> stick with a tried & true carb. While not optimal, it leaves the
> reconciliation to the new owner, who MAY have a strong preference.
>
> Besides which, it knocks that much off of the sales price, always a good
> thing.
>
> JMHO,
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>
> > I agree EFI is essential.
> > I would argue though that you should go with one of the newer ones like
> > Fitech or MSD.
> > Howell is awesome but for your average user the Fitech and similar are
> > much easier to use and troubleshoot, it has a warranty and a tech line,
> new
> > parts ready to overnight should something go wrong etc.
> > Not to mention easier for you to install and setup, bolt it on, run a
> > couple wires and call it a day.
> >
> > Just my opinion. (My flame suit is on awaiting angry rebuttals :d )
> >
> > --
> > Justin Brady
> > http://www.thegmcrv.com/
> > 1976 Palm Beach 455
> >
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Bob,
Rear disc brakes are another "option" which won't return their cost. I live in Colorado and I'm not noted for driving slowly, but I've never wished
I had rear discs. The stock drums (if in good condition) will stop just as fast as discs, just not over and over again in a short time. I try not to
ride the brakes all the way down from the Divide, or make more than one screeching emergency stop per half hour. Plus, they have legal parking brakes
(if properly adjusted). IMHO, all-wheel disc brakes are for people who tow in the mountains and forget to downshift. Or like to brag about them...
Now a backup vacuum pump, that's really good idea.
My .02, YMMV
Rick Staples
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"Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all paths may run ill." -Tolkien
Rear disc brakes are another "option" which won't return their cost. I live in Colorado and I'm not noted for driving slowly, but I've never wished
I had rear discs. The stock drums (if in good condition) will stop just as fast as discs, just not over and over again in a short time. I try not to
ride the brakes all the way down from the Divide, or make more than one screeching emergency stop per half hour. Plus, they have legal parking brakes
(if properly adjusted). IMHO, all-wheel disc brakes are for people who tow in the mountains and forget to downshift. Or like to brag about them...
Now a backup vacuum pump, that's really good idea.
My .02, YMMV
Rick Staples
--
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"Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all paths may run ill." -Tolkien
Rick,
Apparently you have not tested our disk system.
Ours will out stop ay drum units and not fade out like the drum.
We spend time testing them, unlike our competition.
Those that have our system will back us up.
If you like I can explain why.
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 8:38 PM, Richard H Staples
wrote:
> Bob,
> Rear disc brakes are another "option" which won't return their cost. I
> live in Colorado and I'm not noted for driving slowly, but I've never wished
> I had rear discs. The stock drums (if in good condition) will stop just
> as fast as discs, just not over and over again in a short time. I try not to
> ride the brakes all the way down from the Divide, or make more than one
> screeching emergency stop per half hour. Plus, they have legal parking
> brakes
> (if properly adjusted). IMHO, all-wheel disc brakes are for people who tow
> in the mountains and forget to downshift. Or like to brag about them...
>
> Now a backup vacuum pump, that's really good idea.
> My .02, YMMV
> Rick Staples
> --
> Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
>
> "Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all paths
> may run ill." -Tolkien
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1-800-752-7502
Apparently you have not tested our disk system.
Ours will out stop ay drum units and not fade out like the drum.
We spend time testing them, unlike our competition.
Those that have our system will back us up.
If you like I can explain why.
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 8:38 PM, Richard H Staples
wrote:
> Bob,
> Rear disc brakes are another "option" which won't return their cost. I
> live in Colorado and I'm not noted for driving slowly, but I've never wished
> I had rear discs. The stock drums (if in good condition) will stop just
> as fast as discs, just not over and over again in a short time. I try not to
> ride the brakes all the way down from the Divide, or make more than one
> screeching emergency stop per half hour. Plus, they have legal parking
> brakes
> (if properly adjusted). IMHO, all-wheel disc brakes are for people who tow
> in the mountains and forget to downshift. Or like to brag about them...
>
> Now a backup vacuum pump, that's really good idea.
> My .02, YMMV
> Rick Staples
> --
> Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
>
> "Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all paths
> may run ill." -Tolkien
>
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I havnt seen any EFI ones yet and just assume they would be on the higher end of the price scale becasue that seems like it would be the type of
upgrade to do after everything else so one that had EFI would probably already have lots of other stuff.
I like carbs and EFI just depends on the purpose but on a GMC MH, I would rather have a carb because I know them pretty well and can either carry a
complete spare or anything it may need incase of a problem with it for very little extra cost and weight.
EFI would be expensive and heavier to have a full set of back-up components but thats another point that I think should be considered.. depending on
which EFI, how readily available will any given replacement part be out on the road? and then five years later?
I like the OEM TBI systems, I have had a few different types of factory EFI and the TBI has been the most trouble free. my truck ('88) has over 350,00
original miles, has the TBI and have never used any snake oil cleaners or anything and it still starts and runs great with the only EFI components
failed were one fuel pump and one knock sensor in all those miles so I like TBI
a TBI upgrade with all OEM components would be my first choice on a GMC MH if I could not have a carb.
one like this: http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Swartzendruber_Generic_TBI_SlidesNotes.pdf
I would like Electronic Spark Control with a carb though and there are two carbs that were available with it, both quadrajets, one with primariy
metering control and the other with only a secondary accelerator pump control. oneday I want to experiment with both of these! but first just ESC and
the OEM Q-jet
upgrade to do after everything else so one that had EFI would probably already have lots of other stuff.
I like carbs and EFI just depends on the purpose but on a GMC MH, I would rather have a carb because I know them pretty well and can either carry a
complete spare or anything it may need incase of a problem with it for very little extra cost and weight.
EFI would be expensive and heavier to have a full set of back-up components but thats another point that I think should be considered.. depending on
which EFI, how readily available will any given replacement part be out on the road? and then five years later?
I like the OEM TBI systems, I have had a few different types of factory EFI and the TBI has been the most trouble free. my truck ('88) has over 350,00
original miles, has the TBI and have never used any snake oil cleaners or anything and it still starts and runs great with the only EFI components
failed were one fuel pump and one knock sensor in all those miles so I like TBI
a TBI upgrade with all OEM components would be my first choice on a GMC MH if I could not have a carb.
one like this: http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Swartzendruber_Generic_TBI_SlidesNotes.pdf
I would like Electronic Spark Control with a carb though and there are two carbs that were available with it, both quadrajets, one with primariy
metering control and the other with only a secondary accelerator pump control. oneday I want to experiment with both of these! but first just ESC and
the OEM Q-jet
After the mechanical fuel pump comes off, the EFI isn't any heavier - I suspect it's (MSD Atomic) a pound or two lighter. It also starts instantly
cold or hot. Past that, you pays your money and you takes your choice. A properly done carb doesn't crank quiote as quickly, and when heat soaked
may take a bit to start, but beyond that there's little difference at the outset. However, just llike an analog audio chain, the carb begins to
deteriorate the moment it's bolted on. Keep after it (not an onerous task) and it will perform for a long time.
Good rebuilds? Dick Patterson. Dollar Carburetor/electric. Unfortunately the old gent who used to set up my street Mopar stuff passed. An old
NASCAR mechanic he was, and when he did an AFB oran ABS, it cranked hot or cold at a touch of the key, and ran like I'd stolen it. Gonna miss him.
The injection system is to a greater degree self - healing than the carb.
--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
cold or hot. Past that, you pays your money and you takes your choice. A properly done carb doesn't crank quiote as quickly, and when heat soaked
may take a bit to start, but beyond that there's little difference at the outset. However, just llike an analog audio chain, the carb begins to
deteriorate the moment it's bolted on. Keep after it (not an onerous task) and it will perform for a long time.
Good rebuilds? Dick Patterson. Dollar Carburetor/electric. Unfortunately the old gent who used to set up my street Mopar stuff passed. An old
NASCAR mechanic he was, and when he did an AFB oran ABS, it cranked hot or cold at a touch of the key, and ran like I'd stolen it. Gonna miss him.
The injection system is to a greater degree self - healing than the carb.
--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
Re: stock carbs. Does anyone have an inexpensive carb from a 403 in need of
rebuild? I would like to use it to test, learn and improve my carb rebuild
knowledge.
The message that this knowledge is falling away scares me... I'd like to
keep it going.
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:43 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
> After the mechanical fuel pump comes off, the EFI isn't any heavier - I
> suspect it's (MSD Atomic) a pound or two lighter. It also starts instantly
> cold or hot. Past that, you pays your money and you takes your choice. A
> properly done carb doesn't crank quiote as quickly, and when heat soaked
> may take a bit to start, but beyond that there's little difference at the
> outset. However, just llike an analog audio chain, the carb begins to
> deteriorate the moment it's bolted on. Keep after it (not an onerous
> task) and it will perform for a long time.
> Good rebuilds? Dick Patterson. Dollar Carburetor/electric.
> Unfortunately the old gent who used to set up my street Mopar stuff
> passed. An old
> NASCAR mechanic he was, and when he did an AFB oran ABS, it cranked hot or
> cold at a touch of the key, and ran like I'd stolen it. Gonna miss him.
> The injection system is to a greater degree self - healing than the carb.
>
> --johnny
> --
> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>
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rebuild? I would like to use it to test, learn and improve my carb rebuild
knowledge.
The message that this knowledge is falling away scares me... I'd like to
keep it going.
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:43 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
> After the mechanical fuel pump comes off, the EFI isn't any heavier - I
> suspect it's (MSD Atomic) a pound or two lighter. It also starts instantly
> cold or hot. Past that, you pays your money and you takes your choice. A
> properly done carb doesn't crank quiote as quickly, and when heat soaked
> may take a bit to start, but beyond that there's little difference at the
> outset. However, just llike an analog audio chain, the carb begins to
> deteriorate the moment it's bolted on. Keep after it (not an onerous
> task) and it will perform for a long time.
> Good rebuilds? Dick Patterson. Dollar Carburetor/electric.
> Unfortunately the old gent who used to set up my street Mopar stuff
> passed. An old
> NASCAR mechanic he was, and when he did an AFB oran ABS, it cranked hot or
> cold at a touch of the key, and ran like I'd stolen it. Gonna miss him.
> The injection system is to a greater degree self - healing than the carb.
>
> --johnny
> --
> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>
>
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Will,
To truly rebuild a carb, you need tools to re bush shafts as a start.
Not about just replacing parts.
Not worth our time to try to learn.
WE let people that work on them all the time to do those things as there is
better chance it will be done correctly.
> Re: stock carbs. Does anyone have an inexpensive carb from a 403 in need of
> rebuild? I would like to use it to test, learn and improve my carb rebuild
> knowledge.
>
> The message that this knowledge is falling away scares me... I'd like to
> keep it going.
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:43 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
>
> > After the mechanical fuel pump comes off, the EFI isn't any heavier - I
> > suspect it's (MSD Atomic) a pound or two lighter. It also starts
> instantly
> > cold or hot. Past that, you pays your money and you takes your choice.
> A
> > properly done carb doesn't crank quiote as quickly, and when heat soaked
> > may take a bit to start, but beyond that there's little difference at the
> > outset. However, just llike an analog audio chain, the carb begins to
> > deteriorate the moment it's bolted on. Keep after it (not an onerous
> > task) and it will perform for a long time.
> > Good rebuilds? Dick Patterson. Dollar Carburetor/electric.
> > Unfortunately the old gent who used to set up my street Mopar stuff
> > passed. An old
> > NASCAR mechanic he was, and when he did an AFB oran ABS, it cranked hot
> or
> > cold at a touch of the key, and ran like I'd stolen it. Gonna miss him.
> > The injection system is to a greater degree self - healing than the carb.
> >
> > --johnny
> > --
> > 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> > Braselton, Ga.
> > "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to
> me
> > in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
> >
> >
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To truly rebuild a carb, you need tools to re bush shafts as a start.
Not about just replacing parts.
Not worth our time to try to learn.
WE let people that work on them all the time to do those things as there is
better chance it will be done correctly.
> Re: stock carbs. Does anyone have an inexpensive carb from a 403 in need of
> rebuild? I would like to use it to test, learn and improve my carb rebuild
> knowledge.
>
> The message that this knowledge is falling away scares me... I'd like to
> keep it going.
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:43 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
>
> > After the mechanical fuel pump comes off, the EFI isn't any heavier - I
> > suspect it's (MSD Atomic) a pound or two lighter. It also starts
> instantly
> > cold or hot. Past that, you pays your money and you takes your choice.
> A
> > properly done carb doesn't crank quiote as quickly, and when heat soaked
> > may take a bit to start, but beyond that there's little difference at the
> > outset. However, just llike an analog audio chain, the carb begins to
> > deteriorate the moment it's bolted on. Keep after it (not an onerous
> > task) and it will perform for a long time.
> > Good rebuilds? Dick Patterson. Dollar Carburetor/electric.
> > Unfortunately the old gent who used to set up my street Mopar stuff
> > passed. An old
> > NASCAR mechanic he was, and when he did an AFB oran ABS, it cranked hot
> or
> > cold at a touch of the key, and ran like I'd stolen it. Gonna miss him.
> > The injection system is to a greater degree self - healing than the carb.
> >
> > --johnny
> > --
> > 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> > Braselton, Ga.
> > "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to
> me
> > in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
> >
> >
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1-800-752-7502
Very much understood Jim. The family business is Corvette restorations. We
send em out for rebuild as well, as it makes much more sense from a cost
stand point, but used to rebuild in house.
I'm curious to dissect to see what's different from a motorhome vs what we
have sitting on the shelves. I have no dependency to put it back on.
> Will,
> To truly rebuild a carb, you need tools to re bush shafts as a start.
> Not about just replacing parts.
> Not worth our time to try to learn.
> WE let people that work on them all the time to do those things as there is
> better chance it will be done correctly.
>
>
>
> > Re: stock carbs. Does anyone have an inexpensive carb from a 403 in need
> of
> > rebuild? I would like to use it to test, learn and improve my carb
> rebuild
> > knowledge.
> >
> > The message that this knowledge is falling away scares me... I'd like to
> > keep it going.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:43 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
> >
> > > After the mechanical fuel pump comes off, the EFI isn't any heavier - I
> > > suspect it's (MSD Atomic) a pound or two lighter. It also starts
> > instantly
> > > cold or hot. Past that, you pays your money and you takes your choice.
> > A
> > > properly done carb doesn't crank quiote as quickly, and when heat
> soaked
> > > may take a bit to start, but beyond that there's little difference at
> the
> > > outset. However, just llike an analog audio chain, the carb begins to
> > > deteriorate the moment it's bolted on. Keep after it (not an onerous
> > > task) and it will perform for a long time.
> > > Good rebuilds? Dick Patterson. Dollar Carburetor/electric.
> > > Unfortunately the old gent who used to set up my street Mopar stuff
> > > passed. An old
> > > NASCAR mechanic he was, and when he did an AFB oran ABS, it cranked hot
> > or
> > > cold at a touch of the key, and ran like I'd stolen it. Gonna miss
> him.
> > > The injection system is to a greater degree self - healing than the
> carb.
> > >
> > > --johnny
> > > --
> > > 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> > > Braselton, Ga.
> > > "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to
> > me
> > > in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
> > >
> > >
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send em out for rebuild as well, as it makes much more sense from a cost
stand point, but used to rebuild in house.
I'm curious to dissect to see what's different from a motorhome vs what we
have sitting on the shelves. I have no dependency to put it back on.
> Will,
> To truly rebuild a carb, you need tools to re bush shafts as a start.
> Not about just replacing parts.
> Not worth our time to try to learn.
> WE let people that work on them all the time to do those things as there is
> better chance it will be done correctly.
>
>
>
> > Re: stock carbs. Does anyone have an inexpensive carb from a 403 in need
> of
> > rebuild? I would like to use it to test, learn and improve my carb
> rebuild
> > knowledge.
> >
> > The message that this knowledge is falling away scares me... I'd like to
> > keep it going.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:43 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
> >
> > > After the mechanical fuel pump comes off, the EFI isn't any heavier - I
> > > suspect it's (MSD Atomic) a pound or two lighter. It also starts
> > instantly
> > > cold or hot. Past that, you pays your money and you takes your choice.
> > A
> > > properly done carb doesn't crank quiote as quickly, and when heat
> soaked
> > > may take a bit to start, but beyond that there's little difference at
> the
> > > outset. However, just llike an analog audio chain, the carb begins to
> > > deteriorate the moment it's bolted on. Keep after it (not an onerous
> > > task) and it will perform for a long time.
> > > Good rebuilds? Dick Patterson. Dollar Carburetor/electric.
> > > Unfortunately the old gent who used to set up my street Mopar stuff
> > > passed. An old
> > > NASCAR mechanic he was, and when he did an AFB oran ABS, it cranked hot
> > or
> > > cold at a touch of the key, and ran like I'd stolen it. Gonna miss
> him.
> > > The injection system is to a greater degree self - healing than the
> carb.
> > >
> > > --johnny
> > > --
> > > 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> > > Braselton, Ga.
> > > "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to
> > me
> > > in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
> > >
> > >
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> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
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> Will,
> To truly rebuild a carb, you need tools to re bush shafts as a start.
> Not about just replacing parts.
> Not worth our time to try to learn.
> WE let people that work on them all the time to do those things as there is
> better chance it will be done correctly.
I think it would be worth it become familiar with the equipment so that if/when something comes up on the road it would be less head scratching and
more importantly trying to find a real carb expert out in the stix somewhere. fewer and fewer around these days too.
Ive had a tough time getting anything done correctly more and more as time goes on. Ive decided that the only way to get anything done right anymore
is DIY but there is always some limitations.
the shaft bores might could be upgraded to ball bearings instead of bushes if their is room to fit them in? some webers have these from OEM and do not
suffer from the worn shaft bores.
> To truly rebuild a carb, you need tools to re bush shafts as a start.
> Not about just replacing parts.
> Not worth our time to try to learn.
> WE let people that work on them all the time to do those things as there is
> better chance it will be done correctly.
I think it would be worth it become familiar with the equipment so that if/when something comes up on the road it would be less head scratching and
more importantly trying to find a real carb expert out in the stix somewhere. fewer and fewer around these days too.
Ive had a tough time getting anything done correctly more and more as time goes on. Ive decided that the only way to get anything done right anymore
is DIY but there is always some limitations.
the shaft bores might could be upgraded to ball bearings instead of bushes if their is room to fit them in? some webers have these from OEM and do not
suffer from the worn shaft bores.
I'm not selling this GMC that will be still in need of repair. When it leaves my drive. There will be no drought in my mind. ( I don't have that much mind to lose anymore ) That it will give someone years of trouble free service. And the fuel, and ignition systems are part of the possible problems. The Vitec is basically an electronic Q Jet. And can handle todays fuels better. The HEI distributor is out of date. As to the mileage/performance. Much comes by way of the distributor that's controlled by the ECM. So the Howell/GM is my choice. Cutting corners doesn't product a really good GMC. This one is going to be good. Bob Dunahugh
________________________________
From: Bob Dunahugh
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:45 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Value added for the Howell/GM EFI
Paint looks great. Replaced all bumpers. 6 KYB shocks. Rear suspention. Serviced, cleaned, and painted along with the inter fender wells. New frig, Suburban furnace, Magic Chef cook top, Carrier roof A/C, and all new cushions/seats front to back. 455 compression # 150 to 155psi. That's new engine numbers. So with all of this. And there's a lot more to get done. I'm thinking that the EFI is a must option to have in a GMC that I want to sell in Sept. Rear disc brakes is another option that I'm thinking of. Bob Dunahugh
________________________________
From: Bob Dunahugh
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:45 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Value added for the Howell/GM EFI
Paint looks great. Replaced all bumpers. 6 KYB shocks. Rear suspention. Serviced, cleaned, and painted along with the inter fender wells. New frig, Suburban furnace, Magic Chef cook top, Carrier roof A/C, and all new cushions/seats front to back. 455 compression # 150 to 155psi. That's new engine numbers. So with all of this. And there's a lot more to get done. I'm thinking that the EFI is a must option to have in a GMC that I want to sell in Sept. Rear disc brakes is another option that I'm thinking of. Bob Dunahugh
I agree the howell is a better system, but just for the record the fitech also allows distributor control, just with a smaller matrix. It allows the
use of a modern msd distributor.
Not arguing, just posting so that if someone else reads they know that fitech also does control timing if you set it up that way.
--
Justin Brady
http://www.thegmcrv.com/
1976 Palm Beach 455
use of a modern msd distributor.
Not arguing, just posting so that if someone else reads they know that fitech also does control timing if you set it up that way.
--
Justin Brady
http://www.thegmcrv.com/
1976 Palm Beach 455
Now I got to go look closely. My coach has MSD Atomic and an MSD 'Flamethrower' distributor. Haven't chased the wires yet... there have been other
concerns.
--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
concerns.
--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
The Howel system is mainly the wiring and sensors.
The main thing is the EBL Flash ECM.
The Timing curve that was dedeloped by the GMC MH owners in the past just
for this application cannot begin to match it as there are couple dyno runs
done to back it up.
Should you understand the value of ignition timing, you'll see how this
along with all the data the EBL senses and integrates to give maximum
timing is what the EBL Flash is all about.
On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 5:51 AM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
> Now I got to go look closely. My coach has MSD Atomic and an MSD
> 'Flamethrower' distributor. Haven't chased the wires yet... there have
> been other
> concerns.
>
> --johnny
> --
> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>
>
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Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
The main thing is the EBL Flash ECM.
The Timing curve that was dedeloped by the GMC MH owners in the past just
for this application cannot begin to match it as there are couple dyno runs
done to back it up.
Should you understand the value of ignition timing, you'll see how this
along with all the data the EBL senses and integrates to give maximum
timing is what the EBL Flash is all about.
On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 5:51 AM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
> Now I got to go look closely. My coach has MSD Atomic and an MSD
> 'Flamethrower' distributor. Haven't chased the wires yet... there have
> been other
> concerns.
>
> --johnny
> --
> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>
>
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Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
