Urathane paint

[chris tyler]

My coach was done in black Imuron [Dupont] by the PO. Holding up well except for one corner where it ws applied rather thinly.
Since I need to paint a couple hoods on my car procects I figured I would pick up a gallon
First surmise was thai actual Imuron is like finding hens teeth. Second, I got sticker shock with what suppliers want for urethane pain...even off
brands I hadn't heard of. We don't have VOC regulations here, so its not a special formulation or regulation issue

I haven't really done much paint work in the last 10 years or so [ I used to be able to use the downdraft booth at my sisters sign business on
weekends] and I know a lot has changed

I do note that the urethane paints from Eastwood and Summit Racing are still very reasonable. [MUCH less.] #Which of course make me wonder about the
quality...
Anyone used them?
--
76 Glenbrook

 

[Jim Hupy]

I haven't used urethane paint from summit, but I use Eastwood products
frequently. Their rust encapsulator and chassis paints are good products,
as is the glyptal coating. I also use their powder colors.
DuPont Imron was developed for use on aircraft. It is handled by
industrial suppliers. It is $$$$ because of the liability of the product.
It truly is a hazardous product, and requires very good ($) safety
equipment to use properly. It is incredibly durable stuff. Worth the extra
money??. Our coaches were painted with it. How many 40 year old vehicles do
you see driving around with paint that old? Not many. Isocyanates are bad
stuff to breathe or even get on your skin. Jus' sayin'.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or.

My coach was done in black Imuron [Dupont] by the PO. Holding up well
except for one corner where it ws applied rather thinly.
Since I need to paint a couple hoods on my car procects I figured I would
pick up a gallon
First surmise was thai actual Imuron is like finding hens teeth. Second, I
got sticker shock with what suppliers want for urethane pain...even off
brands I hadn't heard of. We don't have VOC regulations here, so its not a
special formulation or regulation issue

I haven't really done much paint work in the last 10 years or so [ I used
to be able to use the downdraft booth at my sisters sign business on
weekends] and I know a lot has changed

I do note that the urethane paints from Eastwood and Summit Racing are
still very reasonable. [MUCH less.] #Which of course make me wonder about
the
quality...
Anyone used them?
--
76 Glenbrook

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[Keith V]

Urethane paints are really good, as good as Imron? I don't know.

I also don't know if the cheaper paints are any good, I've only used PPG and Dupont.

Like James mentioned, if you do base coat/clear coat, the clear is highly toxic. You NEED a fresh air system. and organic vapor mask ( charcoal ) will not work and you will get nerve damage.

I painted my Vette in BC/CC and it's beautifull, the clear is deep and shiny.

I wouldn't ever paint my GMC with BC/CC, a single stage paint is more than good enough and 1000x easier

The cost difference between Eastwood and low end PPG isn't worth talking about.

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From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:01:40 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Urathane paint

I haven't used urethane paint from summit, but I use Eastwood products
frequently. Their rust encapsulator and chassis paints are good products,
as is the glyptal coating. I also use their powder colors.
DuPont Imron was developed for use on aircraft. It is handled by
industrial suppliers. It is $$$$ because of the liability of the product.
It truly is a hazardous product, and requires very good ($) safety
equipment to use properly. It is incredibly durable stuff. Worth the extra
money??. Our coaches were painted with it. How many 40 year old vehicles do
you see driving around with paint that old? Not many. Isocyanates are bad
stuff to breathe or even get on your skin. Jus' sayin'.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or.

My coach was done in black Imuron [Dupont] by the PO. Holding up well
except for one corner where it ws applied rather thinly.
Since I need to paint a couple hoods on my car procects I figured I would
pick up a gallon
First surmise was thai actual Imuron is like finding hens teeth. Second, I
got sticker shock with what suppliers want for urethane pain...even off
brands I hadn't heard of. We don't have VOC regulations here, so its not a
special formulation or regulation issue

I haven't really done much paint work in the last 10 years or so [ I used
to be able to use the downdraft booth at my sisters sign business on
weekends] and I know a lot has changed

I do note that the urethane paints from Eastwood and Summit Racing are
still very reasonable. [MUCH less.] #Which of course make me wonder about
the
quality...
Anyone used them?
--
76 Glenbrook

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[emerystora]

Not just nerve damage but possibly death. The catalyst is isocyanate (a cyanide product) and it is a deadly poison. Only a professional should apply it and only then with the proper equipment which is extensive and very expensive.

Emery
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

>
> Urethane paints are really good, as good as Imron? I don't know.
>
> I also don't know if the cheaper paints are any good, I've only used PPG and Dupont.
>
>
> Like James mentioned, if you do base coat/clear coat, the clear is highly toxic. You NEED a fresh air system. and organic vapor mask ( charcoal ) will not work and you will get nerve damage.
>
>
> I painted my Vette in BC/CC and it's beautifull, the clear is deep and shiny.
>
> I wouldn't ever paint my GMC with BC/CC, a single stage paint is more than good enough and 1000x easier
>
>
> The cost difference between Eastwood and low end PPG isn't worth talking about.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:01:40 AM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Urathane paint
>
> I haven't used urethane paint from summit, but I use Eastwood products
> frequently. Their rust encapsulator and chassis paints are good products,
> as is the glyptal coating. I also use their powder colors.
> DuPont Imron was developed for use on aircraft. It is handled by
> industrial suppliers. It is $$$$ because of the liability of the product.
> It truly is a hazardous product, and requires very good ($) safety
> equipment to use properly. It is incredibly durable stuff. Worth the extra
> money??. Our coaches were painted with it. How many 40 year old vehicles do
> you see driving around with paint that old? Not many. Isocyanates are bad
> stuff to breathe or even get on your skin. Jus' sayin'.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or.
>

>
> My coach was done in black Imuron [Dupont] by the PO. Holding up well
> except for one corner where it ws applied rather thinly.
> Since I need to paint a couple hoods on my car procects I figured I would
> pick up a gallon
> First surmise was thai actual Imuron is like finding hens teeth. Second, I
> got sticker shock with what suppliers want for urethane pain...even off
> brands I hadn't heard of. We don't have VOC regulations here, so its not a
> special formulation or regulation issue
>
> I haven't really done much paint work in the last 10 years or so [ I used
> to be able to use the downdraft booth at my sisters sign business on
> weekends] and I know a lot has changed
>
> I do note that the urethane paints from Eastwood and Summit Racing are
> still very reasonable. [MUCH less.] #Which of course make me wonder about
> the
> quality...
> Anyone used them?
> --
> 76 Glenbrook
>
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[chris tyler]

Yes, Isocyanates are bad juju and are a problem with all urethanes AFAIK, not just Imron

Imron is the only urethane I have experience with though

For the small area I would be painting [rear roof corner apron 4'x4'] I would shoot it outdoors with a vapor mask and coveralls. I can pretty much
hold my breath that long.

For doing the other black items, Id rent a booth with air for half day.

I actually did go to trade school for body and paint back in the 70s, and wanted to do it as a career for a time as I knew a couple of guys who were
making 50k a year which was really good money then. But they were very experienced, knew how to hustle and had shops that were well organized and kept
them productive. What I found was that most shops were not, and since it paid in percentage it wasn't working out. I did use that knowledge in the RV
business as a tech

What I also noticed, is all of the old time painter I knew are either dead or mad as hatters from the chemical exposure. When I shot Imron I used an
M17a1 protective mask with combat filters. They had to be changed at 20 minutes for cyanydes.

I had a 54E secondary in the Army. One of the dirty tricks of Russian chemical doctrine was to hit us with cynagen chloride or HCN [blood agents]
first to render the masks ineffective and then nerve agents. Thankfully we never had to find out how that would work
--
76 Glenbrook

 

[sgltrac]

It is not possible to filter isocyanates with activated charcoal and
particulate filters. The only way to prevent injestion through your
respertory system is to use a supplied air system. Also, iso is
directly absorbed through your eyes and skin so a proper prevention system
would include a supplied air respirator and vapor tight gloves and garments
( "shoot suit"). Barring the above, the second best method of avoiding
absorption is exceptional air flow in the spray area and starting down
stream in the spray enclosure and working your way up stream with the
application assuming a cross flow or semi downdraft ventilated enclosure.
There are paint application performance benefits from working up stream as
well.

Isocyanates cause different reactions in different people. Some people can
be routinely exposed at low levels for years and suffer no obvious physical
side effects while others can be exposed only briefly and become sensitized
to the chemicals. Once you have become sensitized you need to be removed
from the presence of isocyanates forever as you are now allergic and the
allergy never subsides.

Sully
77 eleganza 2
Seattle

> Yes, Isocyanates are bad juju and are a problem with all urethanes AFAIK,
> not just Imron
>
> Imron is the only urethane I have experience with though
>
> For the small area I would be painting [rear roof corner apron 4'x4'] I
> would shoot it outdoors with a vapor mask and coveralls. I can pretty much
> hold my breath that long.
>
> For doing the other black items, Id rent a booth with air for half day.
>
> I actually did go to trade school for body and paint back in the 70s, and
> wanted to do it as a career for a time as I knew a couple of guys who were
> making 50k a year which was really good money then. But they were very
> experienced, knew how to hustle and had shops that were well organized and
> kept
> them productive. What I found was that most shops were not, and since it
> paid in percentage it wasn't working out. I did use that knowledge in the RV
> business as a tech
>
> What I also noticed, is all of the old time painter I knew are either dead
> or mad as hatters from the chemical exposure. When I shot Imron I used an
> M17a1 protective mask with combat filters. They had to be changed at 20
> minutes for cyanydes.
>
> I had a 54E secondary in the Army. One of the dirty tricks of Russian
> chemical doctrine was to hit us with cynagen chloride or HCN [blood agents]
> first to render the masks ineffective and then nerve agents. Thankfully we
> never had to find out how that would work
> --
> 76 Glenbrook
>
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