Tune Up Requirements

mike

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So...now that I know what engine I have (see threadhttp://gmc.backyardwildlife.com/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=42989&start=0&rid=5830) I'm making a
list of AC Delco part numbers for a tune up. I want to replace the PCV valve. They are cheap and I don't know when it was last done. However, I
cannot find the PCV valve listed in my parts manual. Everything listed is for the 455 not the 403. I looked up a 78 Toranado and found one, but I'm
not sure yet which engine parts cross over and which do not.

Also on the breather side, I have a breather in good shape, but the two rubber elbows that connect it to the air horn are shot. Are those available?

--
Mike and Jessica
West Michigan (Just north of Grand Rapids)
1978 Royale Twin bed, Dry Bath
 
78 toro was 403.
Do not gap the plug any more than .40 , prefer .37.

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 8:08 PM Mike via Gmclist
wrote:

> So...now that I know what engine I have (see threadhttp://
> gmc.backyardwildlife.com/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=42989&start=0&rid=5830)
> I'm making a
> list of AC Delco part numbers for a tune up. I want to replace the PCV
> valve. They are cheap and I don't know when it was last done. However, I
> cannot find the PCV valve listed in my parts manual. Everything listed is
> for the 455 not the 403. I looked up a 78 Toranado and found one, but I'm
> not sure yet which engine parts cross over and which do not.
>
> Also on the breather side, I have a breather in good shape, but the two
> rubber elbows that connect it to the air horn are shot. Are those
> available?
>
> --
> Mike and Jessica
> West Michigan (Just north of Grand Rapids)
> 1978 Royale Twin bed, Dry Bath
>
>
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
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Part # in parts book are not very good

> 78 toro was 403.
> Do not gap the plug any more than .40 , prefer .37.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 8:08 PM Mike via Gmclist

>
>> So...now that I know what engine I have (see threadhttp://
>> gmc.backyardwildlife.com/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=42989&start=0&rid=5830)
>> I'm making a
>> list of AC Delco part numbers for a tune up. I want to replace the PCV
>> valve. They are cheap and I don't know when it was last done. However, I
>> cannot find the PCV valve listed in my parts manual. Everything listed
>> is for the 455 not the 403. I looked up a 78 Toranado and found one, but
>> I'm
>> not sure yet which engine parts cross over and which do not.
>>
>> Also on the breather side, I have a breather in good shape, but the two
>> rubber elbows that connect it to the air horn are shot. Are those
>> available?
>>
>> --
>> Mike and Jessica
>> West Michigan (Just north of Grand Rapids)
>> 1978 Royale Twin bed, Dry Bath
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
>
--
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
 
The Toronado elbows are the same. I got them both at Advance Auto for under $10 but they are more fragile than the originals. Our vendors may have more durable replacements. The valve cover grommets on each side are the same as well. PCV should be the same too.

-Dave
1978 Transmode near Pittsburgh.

>
> So...now that I know what engine I have (see threadhttp://gmc.backyardwildlife.com/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=42989&start=0&rid=5830) I'm making a
> list of AC Delco part numbers for a tune up. I want to replace the PCV valve. They are cheap and I don't know when it was last done. However, I
> cannot find the PCV valve listed in my parts manual. Everything listed is for the 455 not the 403. I looked up a 78 Toranado and found one, but I'm
> not sure yet which engine parts cross over and which do not.
>
> Also on the breather side, I have a breather in good shape, but the two rubber elbows that connect it to the air horn are shot. Are those available?
>
> --
> Mike and Jessica
> West Michigan (Just north of Grand Rapids)
> 1978 Royale Twin bed, Dry Bath
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
 
Mike, Do not get hung up on the NB? RPO code When I saw it I guessed it had something to do with emissions, fuel tank, or something like that. It was
a guess on my part that it was a California thing but since I did not look it up I did not post a response.

So just go to what ever auto parts store and get the parts for a 78 Toronado with a 403 engine. Those parts you listed were common across many, many,
GM vehicles.

As an example that PCV valve is: AC Delco 19310783, or Standard Motor products PCV112, Microguard PCV112, or Autozone PCV1118DL. The rubber grommet
if fits in is either Dorman 42314 or 42061.

When looking up these products on line, none of the asked about the RPO code and they fit various Oldsmobiles from 1963 through 1979.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
Mike and Jessica, GMCMI has a really good chart for plugs online that =
I created, but I have added a text version today. If you need to have ques=
tions please call Jim K or you can call me at nine8nine eight5nine-zero 7on=
e5. The GMC community is large and very knowledgeable. The 78Z parts book=
is a 1970=E2=80=99s snapshot in time as Ken has said. The part interchang=
e list on GMCMI is probably the most current listing of part number for the=
GMC coach. As for you request on PCV valves you can use any of the fo=
llowing: Fram FV-112 Motorcraft EV-10 AcDelco CV-679-C NAPA C=
BR-29281 Typically if you have a 455 motor then use the 1975 Toronado =
as a base and a 77 Toronado for the 403 and chances of you have a Californi=
a version are very slim. Anything other that the engine use the 1975 Toron=
ado as a search item. J.R. Wright GMC Great Laker MHC GMCGL Tech E=
ditor GMC Eastern States Charter Member GMCMI 78 GMC Buskirk 29.5=
=E2=80=99 Stretch 75 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction) Michigan Midland=
Spark Plug Application Guide (09/28/13)Reviewed 5/8/17 Brand=
Type 455 403 =
Gap ACDelco Platinum 41818 4=
1818 .038 ACDelco Standard R46SZ =
R46SZ .060 ACDelco Platinum AC=
41833 (Napa) AC41833 (Napa) .038 Autolite Standard =
847 847 .060 Autolit=
e Platinum AP847 AP847 =
.038 Bosch Standard 7921(WR10FCZ) 7920(WR10FCY) =
.060 Bosch Platinum 4023(WR9FPZ) 4022(WR9FPY) =
.038 Champion Standard 66(RJ18YC6) 66(RJ18YC6) =
.060 E3 Premium E3.52 E3.=
52 As from Box NGK Standard 4536 =
4536 .038 NGK Iridi=
um XR45IX (7293) XR45IX (7293) .038 NGK =
Iridium XR5IX (7355) XR5IX ( 7355) .038 =
Plug Gap Settings: Gap setting is gap out of the box; plug gaps out of =
the box vary by manufacture and application and should always be checked be=
fore installation. Dick Paterson several years ago conducted Dyno testing o=
n several different plug gaps and found that there was little difference be=
tween the large and small gap settings for power output. My personal setup =
was a Paterson HEI, running original ACDelco #7 Rapidfire gapped @ .038 as =
per DP, yours may vary. The smaller gap reduces the load on the HEI coil. F=
actory specified gaps have varied over the years for the coach. The 73/74 p=
oint distributor called for a .040 gap. The 455 with the HEI distributor (7=
5 thru 77) called for a .080 gap. The 403 with HEI distributor (77 thru 78)=
had 2 gaps listed. The gap for the Federal motor was .060 and the Californ=
ia motor was .080. It has been seen that the .080 gap was hard on the coil =
and module and had seen a higher failure rate. An article in GMCMHI newslet=
ter V 4, I 3, P 3 stated that GM dealers both in California and east were r=
ecommending a .045 for the 403 HEI giving the best performance. Now a=
personal comment and again yours may vary. I had run our 77 403 with the .=
060 gap (R46SZ) (98 thru 03) and saw that the plug gap was pounded out to b=
etter than .075 in less than 4K miles. I was changing plugs every year. I a=
lso had several modules failures during that time. I switched to the DP HEI=
and #7 plug in 2004 I did not had any failures. Same #7 plugs, 32K miles, =
Cleaned and regapped in 2008, still looked good, ACDelco listed these as a =
100K-mile plug. Another personal comment, is I would run one of the platinu=
m or Iridium plugs and close the gap down to the .036 to .040 range or the =
E3 plug as it comes out of he box. NOTE: The original ACDelco #7 i=
s no longer available in original plug tip. New ACDelco #7 is not the same =
construction and should be avoided. In 2010 Dick Paterson recommended the N=
GK XR5IX plug as a replacement. I now run the E3 Brand E3.52 plug and have =
about 10000 miles. Onan Spark Plugs: Both the 4K & 6K use the same=
heat range spark plug. Plug gap for both is .020=E2=80=9D Cummins On=
an spark plugs are part# 167-0262-99 On=
Sep 29, 2019, at 11:07 PM, Mike via Gmclist wrot=
e: > > So...now that I know what engine I have (see threadhttp://gmc.b=
ackyardwildlife.com/GMCforum/index.php?t msg&th 42989&start 0&rid 5=
830) I'm making a > list of AC Delco part numbers for a tune up. I want =
to replace the PCV valve. They are cheap and I don't know when it was last=
done. However, I > cannot find the PCV valve listed in my parts manual.=
Everything listed is for the 455 not the 403. I looked up a 78 Toranado =
and found one, but I'm > not sure yet which engine parts cross over and w=
hich do not. > > Also on the breather side, I have a breather in goo=
d shape, but the two rubber elbows that connect it to the air horn are shot=
. Are those available? > > -- > Mike and Jessica > West Michiga=
n (Just north of Grand Rapids) > 1978 Royale Twin bed, Dry Bath