Transmission won't shift from first, can shift it manually

Pete Faxon here, with a vapor lock problem. Any input would be appreciated.
Our 74 Glacier is giving us fits on the road. It runs normally for about an
hour and then begins to mis fire and lose power on even slight hills.
Dropping down to second gear with light throttle lasts for a time but then
I must drop it into low gear to keep it moving. Finally it just stops.
After a while it will restart and run normally (with light throttle) for a
while and then the same routine of dropping to second, then first, then
stall. This is a 455 Olds engine with the original Quad four Carb. It has a
second fuel pump at the gas tank(s) and an after market in line filter
about 2 ft. from the carb. On the previous trip to about the same location
we had the same problem. At that time the pre filter and the carb filter
were clogged with dirt and rust. New filters and a new fuel line were
installed. At a midpoint on the current trip we were experiencing the same
problem as before, and the pre-filter was totally clear. But still having
the same problem. I have not checked the pressure from the auxiliary pump,
and it was suggested that this pump may be over pressuring the sistem
beyond the seven pound designed carb and creating the vapor lock in the
manifold. It may also be clogged up. As suggested, we poured ice cubes and
cold water around the manifold to dispurse the vapor. It got us un the road
for a while. But only for a while. We limped home. It took about five and a
half hours to make a three and a half hour trip.
Any ideas? Thanks from Pete and Jeanne in California

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On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 5:51 AM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

> I forced the smaller hose - new piece - on the modulator and the pipe. It
> didn't split so I skipped the clamps. Works fine so far.
>
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There is a chance it could be ignition problem.
When the components get hot it starts misfiring.
Your best bet is to get a Delco Module and Coil as we are seeing the the
over sea products are poor quality and a bad coil can knock out a new
module.
In our shop, we no longer mess with just replacing just the module as then
later the coil goes and the customer wants it done free.
We have testors, but it does not test when driven.

> Pete Faxon here, with a vapor lock problem. Any input would be appreciated.
> Our 74 Glacier is giving us fits on the road. It runs normally for about an
> hour and then begins to mis fire and lose power on even slight hills.
> Dropping down to second gear with light throttle lasts for a time but then
> I must drop it into low gear to keep it moving. Finally it just stops.
> After a while it will restart and run normally (with light throttle) for a
> while and then the same routine of dropping to second, then first, then
> stall. This is a 455 Olds engine with the original Quad four Carb. It has a
> second fuel pump at the gas tank(s) and an after market in line filter
> about 2 ft. from the carb. On the previous trip to about the same location
> we had the same problem. At that time the pre filter and the carb filter
> were clogged with dirt and rust. New filters and a new fuel line were
> installed. At a midpoint on the current trip we were experiencing the same
> problem as before, and the pre-filter was totally clear. But still having
> the same problem. I have not checked the pressure from the auxiliary pump,
> and it was suggested that this pump may be over pressuring the sistem
> beyond the seven pound designed carb and creating the vapor lock in the
> manifold. It may also be clogged up. As suggested, we poured ice cubes and
> cold water around the manifold to dispurse the vapor. It got us un the road
> for a while. But only for a while. We limped home. It took about five and a
> half hours to make a three and a half hour trip.
> Any ideas? Thanks from Pete and Jeanne in California
>
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> > I forced the smaller hose - new piece - on the modulator and the pipe.
> It
> > didn't split so I skipped the clamps. Works fine so far.
> >
> > --johnny
> > --
> > 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> > Braselton, Ga.
> > "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to
> me
> > in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
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' it was suggested that this pump may be over pressuring the sistem
beyond the seven pound designed carb and creating the vapor lock in the
manifold.'
I'd be interested in how that occurs in the manifold. Check the module, it's likely getting hot... and check the cap and rotor for carbon tracks.
You're describing vapor lock. Cut your fuel filters apart and look, including the one in the carburetor. Check the manifold under the carb for
cracks. Be sure your cooling system is working at peak - clean radiator, good hoses, 50 - 50 coolant, etc. Are you using the original fuel line
routing? If you're original and all the hoses are good, here's what cured my 23' in August Georgia weather

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6198-cane-9-creek-rv-park-heflin-2c-al.html

A pair of Mr Gasket carb pumps, a pair of Wix filters on their inlets, a piece of flat steel to mount it all. Uses the original (upgraded) hoses and
the relay is run by the tank selector. Cap the selector valve and you can return it to stock for replacing the mechanical pump and moving the hoses.
30 minutes beside the coach with a screwdriver and 5/16" wrench for the terminal on the selector.

If (as in much of CA) there's no place you can get non-ethanol gasoline, you may have to convert to fuel injection. I run all my carbureted stuff on
no alcohol fuel.

--johnny

DOS Tip: To continue the discussion, start a new topic, we're drifting on this one.
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Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
Pete, Where in California are you? I'm in Fresno.

> Pete Faxon here,
> Any ideas? Thanks from Pete and Jeanne in California

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73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
77 Palm Beach
Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS
 
> Pete Faxon here, with a vapor lock problem. Any input would be appreciated.
> Our 74 Glacier is giving us fits on the road. It runs normally for about an hour and then begins to mis fire and lose power on even slight hills.
> Dropping down to second gear with light throttle lasts for a time but then I must drop it into low gear to keep it moving. Finally it just stops.
> After a while it will restart and run normally (with light throttle) for a while and then the same routine of dropping to second, then first,
> then
> stall. This is a 455 Olds engine with the original Quad four Carb. It has a second fuel pump at the gas tank(s) and an after market in line
> filter
> about 2 ft. from the carb. On the previous trip to about the same location we had the same problem. At that time the pre filter and the carb
> filter were clogged with dirt and rust. New filters and a new fuel line were installed. At a midpoint on the current trip we were experiencing the
> same problem as before, and the pre-filter was totally clear. But still having the same problem. I have not checked the pressure from the auxiliary
> pump, and it was suggested that this pump may be over pressuring the sistem beyond the seven pound designed carb and creating the vapor lock in the
> manifold. It may also be clogged up. As suggested, we poured ice cubes and cold water around the manifold to dispurse the vapor. It got us un the
> road for a while. But only for a while. We limped home. It took about five and a half hours to make a three and a half hour trip.
> Any ideas? Thanks from Pete and Jeanne in California

Pete and Jeanne,

I had missed this totally because I did not re-read the thread.

Vapor Lock does not happen in the intake manifold and throwing ice and cold water on the intake is not a good idea for many reasons.

The symptoms you are listing are very much like a bad ignition condenser. If your 74 coach still has points, that would be my first try. You can
actually change out the condenser without moving the distributor.

If it has be converted to HEI, then the failure could just as easily be any of the three main components. If it is not a full on failure, that is
most like the coil.

Matt
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SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
I am in Camarillo @ Camarillo Springs, Jerry. Nice to meet you.
Pete

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> Pete, Where in California are you? I'm in Fresno.
>
>

> > Pete Faxon here,
> > Any ideas? Thanks from Pete and Jeanne in California
>
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Matt,
It is not the old style distributer. My Brother-in-law is sending me
replacement parts which will either fix the problem, or eliminate this from
the problem.
Thanks for your input.

Pete Faxon

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> > Pete Faxon here, with a vapor lock problem. Any input would be
> appreciated.
> > Our 74 Glacier is giving us fits on the road. It runs normally for about
> an hour and then begins to mis fire and lose power on even slight hills.
> > Dropping down to second gear with light throttle lasts for a time but
> then I must drop it into low gear to keep it moving. Finally it just stops.
> > After a while it will restart and run normally (with light throttle) for
> a while and then the same routine of dropping to second, then first,
> > then
> > stall. This is a 455 Olds engine with the original Quad four Carb. It
> has a second fuel pump at the gas tank(s) and an after market in line
> > filter
> > about 2 ft. from the carb. On the previous trip to about the same
> location we had the same problem. At that time the pre filter and the carb
> > filter were clogged with dirt and rust. New filters and a new fuel line
> were installed. At a midpoint on the current trip we were experiencing the
> > same problem as before, and the pre-filter was totally clear. But still
> having the same problem. I have not checked the pressure from the auxiliary
> > pump, and it was suggested that this pump may be over pressuring the
> sistem beyond the seven pound designed carb and creating the vapor lock in
> the
> > manifold. It may also be clogged up. As suggested, we poured ice cubes
> and cold water around the manifold to dispurse the vapor. It got us un the
> > road for a while. But only for a while. We limped home. It took about
> five and a half hours to make a three and a half hour trip.
> > Any ideas? Thanks from Pete and Jeanne in California
>
> Pete and Jeanne,
>
> I had missed this totally because I did not re-read the thread.
>
> Vapor Lock does not happen in the intake manifold and throwing ice and
> cold water on the intake is not a good idea for many reasons.
>
> The symptoms you are listing are very much like a bad ignition condenser.
> If your 74 coach still has points, that would be my first try. You can
> actually change out the condenser without moving the distributor.
>
> If it has be converted to HEI, then the failure could just as easily be
> any of the three main components. If it is not a full on failure, that is
> most like the coil.
>
> Matt
> --
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> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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Peter,
You need to clean up your sig lines, it appears that they are in RTF for an AVG account and they should be in plain text GMCnet. Just creates several line of garbage.

JR Wright
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1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
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>
> Matt,
> It is not the old style distributer. My Brother-in-law is sending me
> replacement parts which will either fix the problem, or eliminate this from
> the problem.
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Pete Faxon
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>>> Pete Faxon here, with a vapor lock problem. Any input would be
>> appreciated.
>>> Our 74 Glacier is giving us fits on the road. It runs normally for about
>> an hour and then begins to mis fire and lose power on even slight hills.
>>> Dropping down to second gear with light throttle lasts for a time but
>> then I must drop it into low gear to keep it moving. Finally it just stops.
>>> After a while it will restart and run normally (with light throttle) for
>> a while and then the same routine of dropping to second, then first,
>>> then
>>> stall. This is a 455 Olds engine with the original Quad four Carb. It
>> has a second fuel pump at the gas tank(s) and an after market in line
>>> filter
>>> about 2 ft. from the carb. On the previous trip to about the same
>> location we had the same problem. At that time the pre filter and the carb
>>> filter were clogged with dirt and rust. New filters and a new fuel line
>> were installed. At a midpoint on the current trip we were experiencing the
>>> same problem as before, and the pre-filter was totally clear. But still
>> having the same problem. I have not checked the pressure from the auxiliary
>>> pump, and it was suggested that this pump may be over pressuring the
>> sistem beyond the seven pound designed carb and creating the vapor lock in
>> the
>>> manifold. It may also be clogged up. As suggested, we poured ice cubes
>> and cold water around the manifold to dispurse the vapor. It got us un the
>>> road for a while. But only for a while. We limped home. It took about
>> five and a half hours to make a three and a half hour trip.
>>> Any ideas? Thanks from Pete and Jeanne in California
>>
>> Pete and Jeanne,
>>
>> I had missed this totally because I did not re-read the thread.
>>
>> Vapor Lock does not happen in the intake manifold and throwing ice and
>> cold water on the intake is not a good idea for many reasons.
>>
>> The symptoms you are listing are very much like a bad ignition condenser.
>> If your 74 coach still has points, that would be my first try. You can
>> actually change out the condenser without moving the distributor.
>>
>> If it has be converted to HEI, then the failure could just as easily be
>> any of the three main components. If it is not a full on failure, that is
>> most like the coil.
>>
>> Matt
>> --
>> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
>> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
>> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
>> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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