Toad prodecures

patrick flowers

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From: "Skid"
To: "GMC Motorhome.com mailing list post address"
Subject: Toad prodecures
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:25:29 -0700

Heinz Wittenbecher - you asked about correct procedures for towing
4-wheels down, and I'll be glad to share our experience - we towed our
'94 Olds van behind a 454-powered Executive, and then (and much more
successfully!) behind a 300-hp Cummins/6 speed Allison Safari
Continental.

You're absolutely correct in your hitching procedures - key in
ignition column in unlocked position (but not "on") and transmission
in neutral. Our van had the remote locking feature, so we just put
the ignition key/transmitter on a key ring that easily separates, and
when we're ready to go, close the van up and lock the doors. This
made me feel better about leaving the key in the ignition and walking
away from the van - even if it was just for a short time!

We also used locking pins where the tow bar attached to the motorhome
and the van, and in the hitch (for our first tow bar). (Our second
tow bar was one of those that had the universal joint at the motorhome
hitch receiver, and detached from the van - no hitch ball involved at
all. It was much easier to use, and towed a lot better, too! =) )

Regarding backing up, all of our literature gave the same information
that you've repeated: NEVER BACK UP! I know the reasons why - it can
mess up the front rolling parts of the toad very quickly (tires,
alignment, etc.). I don't know about you, but I figure that it's easy
to write a manual, and sometimes real life is different! So once in a
great while - it probably happened only 4 or 5 times in 30,000+ miles
of towing - I'd try to make sure that I was as much in a straight line
as possible (m/h & toad), turn the back camera on (if it wasn't
already...), and back up vvvveeeerrrrryyyyy
ssslllllooooowwwwwlllllllyyyyy, watching the front wheels on the van
to make sure they didn't jack-knife, and also try not to hit anyone or
anything!

I found that I was able to back up for 10-15 feet, once even a bit
more, before anything happened that made me stop. Fortunately, in
each case whatever distance I was able to reverse was enough to do the
job.

Hope this helps you - and I certainly applaud your light weight choice
for towing; we ended up using the van as a trailer, carrying lawn
chairs, folding bikes, etc., etc., etc. (!), and as a result, I knew
(from stopping at a truck scales) that loaded, and with a 1/2 tank of
gas, the van weighed about 4100 lbs. Behind the big diesel we hardly
noticed - but I promise that I'm never going to try it behind the GMC!

Have fun!

Bill Marx
'76 26' Eleganza II
 
Bill:

I'll repeat again, that although some may question the wisdom of towing
a heavy vehicle, a few years back Phil Scharr, an 83 year old gentleman,
towed a 94 Towncar behind his GMC. I know of another GMC owner, who
lives just a little ways west of Indianapolis, who towed an enclosed
trailer to Titusville FL that was almost as long as his coach, which
housed a pick-up truck. So it can be done!

Paul Bartz

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Skid [SMTP:Not_here]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 3:25 PM
> To: GMC Motorhome.com mailing list post address
> Subject: Toad prodecures
>
> Heinz Wittenbecher - you asked about correct procedures for towing
> 4-wheels down, and I'll be glad to share our experience - we towed our
> '94 Olds van behind a 454-powered Executive, and then (and much more
> successfully!) behind a 300-hp Cummins/6 speed Allison Safari
> Continental.
>
> You're absolutely correct in your hitching procedures - key in
> ignition column in unlocked position (but not "on") and transmission
> in neutral. Our van had the remote locking feature, so we just put
> the ignition key/transmitter on a key ring that easily separates, and
> when we're ready to go, close the van up and lock the doors. This
> made me feel better about leaving the key in the ignition and walking
> away from the van - even if it was just for a short time!
>
> We also used locking pins where the tow bar attached to the motorhome
> and the van, and in the hitch (for our first tow bar). (Our second
> tow bar was one of those that had the universal joint at the motorhome
> hitch receiver, and detached from the van - no hitch ball involved at
> all. It was much easier to use, and towed a lot better, too! =) )
>
> Regarding backing up, all of our literature gave the same information
> that you've repeated: NEVER BACK UP! I know the reasons why - it can
> mess up the front rolling parts of the toad very quickly (tires,
> alignment, etc.). I don't know about you, but I figure that it's easy
> to write a manual, and sometimes real life is different! So once in a
> great while - it probably happened only 4 or 5 times in 30,000+ miles
> of towing - I'd try to make sure that I was as much in a straight line
> as possible (m/h & toad), turn the back camera on (if it wasn't
> already...), and back up vvvveeeerrrrryyyyy
> ssslllllooooowwwwwlllllllyyyyy, watching the front wheels on the van
> to make sure they didn't jack-knife, and also try not to hit anyone or
> anything!
>
> I found that I was able to back up for 10-15 feet, once even a bit
> more, before anything happened that made me stop. Fortunately, in
> each case whatever distance I was able to reverse was enough to do the
> job.
>
> Hope this helps you - and I certainly applaud your light weight choice
> for towing; we ended up using the van as a trailer, carrying lawn
> chairs, folding bikes, etc., etc., etc. (!), and as a result, I knew
> (from stopping at a truck scales) that loaded, and with a 1/2 tank of
> gas, the van weighed about 4100 lbs. Behind the big diesel we hardly
> noticed - but I promise that I'm never going to try it behind the GMC!
>
> Have fun!
>
> Bill Marx
> '76 26' Eleganza II
>
>
 
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:51:31 -0711
From: Scott Woodworth
To: gmcmotorhome
Subject: Re: GMC: [Fwd: Toad prodecures]

Backing up procedure:

Lock the steering column with the wheels straight and back up
slowly. If you turn, the front wheels of the towed vehicle will skid a
little, but as long as you don't try to turn too sharply, it works
fine.

I've towed cars with other cars cross country for many miles even in
snow. Am I nuts? Maybe...

- -Scott Woodworth
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bartz, Paul [SMTP:s9d3452]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 4:46 PM
> To: 'gmcmotorhome'
> Subject: RE: GMC: Toad prodecures
>
> Bill:
>
> I'll repeat again, that although some may question the wisdom of
> towing a heavy vehicle, a few years back Phil Scharr, an 83 year old
> gentleman, towed a 94 Towncar behind his GMC. I know of another GMC
> owner, who lives just a little ways west of Indianapolis, who towed an
> enclosed trailer to Titusville FL that was almost as long as his
> coach, which housed a pick-up truck. So it can be done!
>
> Paul Bartz
>
> From: Skid [SMTP:Not_here]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 3:25 PM
> Subject: Toad prodecures
>
> Heinz Wittenbecher - you asked about correct procedures for towing
> 4-wheels down, and I'll be glad to share our experience - we towed our
> '94 Olds van behind a 454-powered Executive, and then (and much more
> successfully!) behind a 300-hp Cummins/6 speed Allison Safari
> Continental.
>
> You're absolutely correct in your hitching procedures - key in
> ignition column in unlocked position (but not "on") and transmission
> in neutral. Our van had the remote locking feature, so we just put
> the ignition key/transmitter on a key ring that easily separates, and
> when we're ready to go, close the van up and lock the doors. This
> made me feel better about leaving the key in the ignition and walking
> away from the van - even if it was just for a short time!
>
> We also used locking pins where the tow bar attached to the motorhome
> and the van, and in the hitch (for our first tow bar). (Our second
> tow bar was one of those that had the universal joint at the motorhome
> hitch receiver, and detached from the van - no hitch ball involved at
> all. It was much easier to use, and towed a lot better, too! =) )
>
> Regarding backing up, all of our literature gave the same information
> that you've repeated: NEVER BACK UP! I know the reasons why - it can
> mess up the front rolling parts of the toad very quickly (tires,
> alignment, etc.). I don't know about you, but I figure that it's easy
> to write a manual, and sometimes real life is different! So once in a
> great while - it probably happened only 4 or 5 times in 30,000+ miles
> of towing - I'd try to make sure that I was as much in a straight line
> as possible (m/h & toad), turn the back camera on (if it wasn't
> already...), and back up vvvveeeerrrrryyyyy
> ssslllllooooowwwwwlllllllyyyyy, watching the front wheels on the van
> to make sure they didn't jack-knife, and also try not to hit anyone or
> anything!
>
> I found that I was able to back up for 10-15 feet, once even a bit
> more, before anything happened that made me stop. Fortunately, in
> each case whatever distance I was able to reverse was enough to do the
> job.
>
> Hope this helps you - and I certainly applaud your light weight choice
> for towing; we ended up using the van as a trailer, carrying lawn
> chairs, folding bikes, etc., etc., etc. (!), and as a result, I knew
> (from stopping at a truck scales) that loaded, and with a 1/2 tank of
> gas, the van weighed about 4100 lbs. Behind the big diesel we hardly
> noticed - but I promise that I'm never going to try it behind the GMC!
>
> Bill Marx
> '76 26' Eleganza II