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Troops..........Can those of you who are using the stock , 16.5, radial,
steel rims tell us what brand of tire you're using along with the price
you paid if you still have it available. I've got some older Michelins on
mine now and want to make some changes in the near future. I think it
would be of interest to many of us with the stock radial wheels. There has
to be some other brands out there that you're using. Let us know the size
as shown on the sidewall of the tire.
Jim Davis, 77 Coca Cola
Bandon, Oregon
 
Jim:

I put on a couple Dunlops last March. They are 8.75 x 16.5 radials, load
range F. They cost me $123 each, plus balancing & tax (a CA curse). They
seem to be holding up well, with no signs of wear in 10,000 miles. I'll
probably put on 4 more this year.

HTH

Dave Lowry, '76 Royale, Santa Barbara
 
Jim,

Four years ago we replaced 7 & 8 year old Goodyear Wrangler LT LR "D"
tires that had about 25,000 miles on them. We followed the GMC community's
strongly recommended use of steel side walls such as Goodyear G159s and
Michelin XPS Rib have. There are others listed in the GMC Int'l Parts
Exchange. We decided on 8.75x16.5 LR "E" Michelin XPSs. They are wearing
very well and no side wall cracking - yet! They were $135 US incl taxes
installed.

Kathy & Al Hamilton
76 Eleganza II
Kingston, Ont
 
Al I have to admit that I am now predjudiced towards the Michelin tires
after my recent experience with their warranty service. They are very very
concerned about the many circulating stories about Michelin tires throwing
treads and blowing up and have told me that mine is one of the first that
they have substantiated and hence why they want my tires back to test them.

I would have bought new 16.5 tires but found them very hard to get here
except on special order. I have heard(again maybe the myth acting up again)
that they are hard to get in other areas also. I did not want to go through
that song and dance while travelling (thats the song and dance that I gave
marj so I could buy the Alcoas).

I also have friends here in Vernon with a business that have a ford
econoline with over 190,000 miles on it. They are now on their third set of
Michelin LT24575R16 10 ply tires, the first set taken off at 95,000 miles.
Believe it or not still had good tread on them!!!! They will boy nothing but
Michelin tires.

> Jim,
>
> Four years ago we replaced 7 & 8 year old Goodyear Wrangler LT LR "D"
>tires that had about 25,000 miles on them. We followed the GMC community's
>strongly recommended use of steel side walls such as Goodyear G159s and
>Michelin XPS Rib have. There are others listed in the GMC Int'l Parts
>Exchange. We decided on 8.75x16.5 LR "E" Michelin XPSs. They are wearing
>very well and no side wall cracking - yet! They were $135 US incl taxes
>installed.
>
> Kathy & Al Hamilton
> 76 Eleganza II
> Kingston, Ont
>
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
Tom,

I normally don't pass on hearsay, but this time I'll make an exception.
Before my time with a GMC, (1980s) Michelin "X" series tires had a
reputation for separating and doing other nasty things. The current XPS
series I don't think has any problems.

Before the Goodyear Wranglers went on in 1988, approximately, our coach
had Michelin "X" series tires. I found some receipts, other papers, and it
had a Michelin spare with a 1983 date on it when we got it in 1991. The
front intermediate tire blew at some time and left scratches and rubber
marks in the tire well that are still there today. It is very unlikely that
it was a Wrangler tire because their dates and serial numbers are too close
together and they didn't have steel sidewalls.

We may still hear stories of the older series of "X" tires. I am very
happy with the Michelin XPSs
Kathy & Al Hamilton
76 Eleganza II
Kingston, Ont
 
Rick have you tried deflating one of the rear bogie wheels and than checking
the clearance. From talking to others including Wes Caughlan if a flat
occurs at speed you can do a lot of damage because of the reduced clearance.
I understand (maybe another myth) that they can actually tear out some of
the floor over the wheels.

>
>> .Can those of you who are using the stock , 16.5, radial,
>> steel rims tell us what brand of tire you're using along with the price
>> you paid if you still have it available.
>
>Jim,
> Sorry so slow to reply, but I wanted to check my records, and they're
>scattered. ;-) I have the Cinnabar replacement steel wheels (16.5 X 6.75 ,
>3,000 lbs capacity) which are slightly wider than the originals, IIRC. Since
>these rims can handle 9.50R16.5 tires, and since I always go for the biggest
>tires that fit, that's what I got last summer.
> Bought 4 Bridgestone R273 all-weather tires, 9.50R16.5, load range E, from
>GCR Truck Tire Center in north Denver, for $127 ea., NOT including mounting,
>etc. By the time the mounting, balancing powder, sales tax, and disposal of a
>couple old tires was included, they came to about $153 each. GCR had these 4
>in stock, which should comfort those who worry about availability on the road.
>I finally ended up with these 4 on the rear (long painful story recounted
>herein last summer), and had to order 2 more to finish up the job.
> For the front, I decided to go for maximum traction, and ordered a pair of
>Bridgestone M773 full-fledged snow-rated tires,also 9.50R16.5/E. These have
>an aggressive tread that I hope will help with the GMC's greatest design
>weakness: poor traction. The one time I used them in snow they seemed much
>better than the old Michelins. GCR agreed to the same price as the R273s,
>although I think the M773s list for a little more. Oh, and although they have
>a pretty mean-looking tread, I can't notice any increase in road noise over
>the Michelin XPS Ribs (with the sidewall cracks...).
> BTW, there IS room for the 9.50s on the rear, with about 3/8" clearance to
>the air bags. Since steel-belted tires don't "grow" at speed as do bias-ply
>tires, I feel safe with this clearance. (But I wouldn't try 9.50 bias-ply in
>back. YMMV.) In front there's plenty of room for the 9.50s, with room left
>for the chains (which I carry) if necessary.
> The Bridgestones have polyester sidewall plies which I think gives a
>slightly softer ride, protected from curb damage by a molded rib on the
>sidewall. Some have voiced a preference for steel sidewalls, but the
>9.50R16.5/Es have so much reserve weight capacity ( 3,170 lbs each @ 80 psi,
>more than the wheels! ) that I'm not worried.
> It's nice to get back out on the Interstate and cruise up to 75 - 80 mph
>without worrying about the tires! The 1" larger diameter of the 9.50s makes
>me want a set of 3.42 gears even more than before, but that's another story...
>
>PS: I think I may have reported getting R265s or some such in a previous
>post. I had so many tire types and sizes floating around in my mind that I
>must have gotten brain fade. Sorry for any confusion, M773 front/R273 rear is
>correct.
>
>Rick Staples
>'75 Eleganza
>Louisville, CO
>
>
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
Rick not talking about the clearance between the tire and the bag, its the
tire and the top of the wheel well with the larger tires. Wes has a caution
in one of his articles not to move the coach if you have a flat with the
larger tires. It apparently hits the floor.

>
>> Rick have you tried deflating one of the rear bogie wheels and than checking
>> the clearance. From talking to others including Wes Caughlan if a flat
>> occurs at speed you can do a lot of damage because of the reduced
>clearance.
>> I understand (maybe another myth) that they can actually tear out some of
>> the floor over the wheels.
>
>Tom,
> I've heard that concern, and I have great respect for Wes Coughlin. I'm
>not sure if the original 3/4" clearance is that much better than my 3/8". If
>a tire really comes apart enough to damage the wheel wells, I suspect it'd
>take out the air bag either way. One advantage of the smaller tires is that
>they leave room enough for those air bag protectors some folks use, whereas
>the 9.50s don't. I think in my case that the larger
>diameter/capacity/footprint tire is worth the slight risk. My .02.
>
>Rick Staples
>'75 Eleganza
>Louisville, CO
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
>> occurs at speed you can do a lot of damage because of the reduced
>clearance.
>> I understand (maybe another myth) that they can actually tear out
>some of
>> the floor over the wheels.

Not a myth and nothing to do with oversized tires. My blow out
(steel/poly tire) not only blew the skirt into the next century but tore
up the wheel well too. Those steel belts whirling at a gazillion rpm and
probably getting longer as they whip, can do damage. I didn't have air
bag shields but do have a air bag lift kit, so for whatever reason, the
bag didn't blow. I still had over $800 of damage.

Dave Greenberg
Boston Homes
1220 US Highway 1, Suite B
North Palm Beach, FL 33408
561/776-1414
 
Dave I am not talking about the damage from the tire that blows up I am
talking about the damage caused by the good tire on the same side that than
hits the upper wheel well.

>
>>> occurs at speed you can do a lot of damage because of the reduced
>>clearance.
>>> I understand (maybe another myth) that they can actually tear out
>>some of
>>> the floor over the wheels.
>
>Not a myth and nothing to do with oversized tires. My blow out
>(steel/poly tire) not only blew the skirt into the next century but tore
>up the wheel well too. Those steel belts whirling at a gazillion rpm and
>probably getting longer as they whip, can do damage. I didn't have air
>bag shields but do have a air bag lift kit, so for whatever reason, the
>bag didn't blow. I still had over $800 of damage.
>
> Dave Greenberg
> Boston Homes
> 1220 US Highway 1, Suite B
> North Palm Beach, FL 33408
> 561/776-1414
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:28:11 -0500 (EST) "Thomas G. Warner"

>Dave I am not talking about the damage from the tire that blows up I
>am
>talking about the damage caused by the good tire on the same side that
>than
>hits the upper wheel well.

Gotcha! This reminds me of one of our club members (he may be lurking as
I speak) who bought some large economy sized Goodyears size 245 85 R16.
They rubbed the edges off his skirts in no time at all. If he had
suffered a flat they would have rubbed the coach into a 23 footer, and if
he had a blowout, well, I don't even want to think about it.

David Lee Greenberg F22009
GMC Motorhome Registry
200 MacFarlane Drive PH4
Delray Beach, FL 33483-6829