Tire problem

[rgogan]

In April 2017 and again in April 2018 I had the same brand and size of B F Goodrich tires blow out in the left rear of my GMC. Each time it caused
$2000 worth of damage. Tires were purchased in 2011 and had about 22,000 mi on them when they blew.
On inspection by retail installer, all the remaining tires have had the bead sliding out of the American Eagle aluminum wheels by a about a quarter of
an inch. B F Goodrich customer support will do nothing about this, because the tires are beyond their 6 year warranty period.
It looks like the cord that goes through the bead must be failing. This is allowing the bead to lift out of the rim and eventually fail, blowing out
the tire.
I had never heard of this happening before, but this is an alert to all to inspect the beads on their tires for potential failure.
I can post pictures if anyone does not understand what to look for.
I am in the process of deciding on replacement tires.
?Time for another discussion of the favorites out there among the group.
Bob Gogan

 

[Ken H.]

Mine are all dated 2414. I lost one in San Antonio on the way to Tucson.
It was my fault because I heard "something funny" and didn't identify it
before it blew -- fortunately at low speed, causing minimal damage.
They'll ALL be replaced before 2419!

Ken H.

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 4:14 PM Robert J. Gogan
wrote:

> In April 2017 and again in April 2018 I had the same brand and size of B F
> Goodrich tires blow out in the left rear of my GMC. Each time it caused
> $2000 worth of damage. Tires were purchased in 2011 and had about 22,000
> mi on them when they blew.
> On inspection by retail installer, all the remaining tires have had the
> bead sliding out of the American Eagle aluminum wheels by a about a quarter
> of
> an inch. B F Goodrich customer support will do nothing about this,
> because the tires are beyond their 6 year warranty period.
> It looks like the cord that goes through the bead must be failing. This is
> allowing the bead to lift out of the rim and eventually fail, blowing out
> the tire.
> I had never heard of this happening before, but this is an alert to all to
> inspect the beads on their tires for potential failure.
> I can post pictures if anyone does not understand what to look for.
> I am in the process of deciding on replacement tires.
> ?Time for another discussion of the favorites out there among the group.
> Bob Gogan
>
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[LarryW]

> I bought new tires two years ago and have roughly 10,000 miles on them.
> They are dated at 2012.
> I pay close attention to the air pressure and run 80 PSI in them.
> On the way home from Patterson the drivers side rear tire became oval.
> I believe the belt is coming apart.
> I got a new one coming from tire discount direct.
> My concern is that the other 5 may be a problem as time rolls on.
> I am wondering if anyone else out there has experienced this problem.
> I am running BFGOODRICH T/A commercial 225/75-16
> They now carry a commercial T/A 2, which makes me concerned that there was a problem with the T/A 1 (now discontinued)
> We called BFGoodrich and also Tire Discount Direct.
> Never got any "real" answers from either.
> So I am asking my fellow GMC'ers
> Has this happened to you?
> I hate to buy a new set of 6 when they are less than 3 years old, with ALOT of tread still left on them.
> No one can guess the future, just curious if this is a strange, or fairly common issue.
> Needless to say, I will be paying close attention to my tires, from here on out.
> Thanks for being there.
> Sincerely,
> Glenn Gardner

Glenn,

Sorry to say that if you bought tires two years ago that were dated 2012, they were already 4 yrs old when you installed them. You should probably not
run tires that are more than 6 yrs old, so the tires that you have on your coach are probably timed out. When you buy tires, look at the date codes
and do not allow install of tires that are more than 5- 6 mo. old, no matter what kind of price break you get. Our coaches are especially hard on on
tires, especially in the rear where the sidewalls get strained every time we turn a corner, so 6 yr old tires is the max you should be running. Now
Michelin Tire claims you can go 10 yrs, and some have gotten away with that, and some have had blowouts at 6 yrs.

As a side opinion, the installer should have never sold you 4 yr old tires. Personally, I'd run them over the coals on that and insist that they
compensate you in some way for this issue. JMHO

Sorry you are having this problem.
--
Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.

 

[john r. lebetski]

Discouraging as BFG are Michelin. I had great luck with my LTX. Sounds like a bad batch run. What is the country of origin just to keep score. So
far good luck w Cooper HT3. And much less money.
--
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II

 

[Ken H.]

Tires too old that should have never have been mounted.

If you think the GMC rides like a truck, it''s because of that 80 psi --
that's MAX, not recommended running pressure. Every manufacturer publishes
a chart of recommended pressure vs weight. Get the coach weighed, "axle"
by "axle" and use the recommended pressure. You'll enjoy the ride a lot
more and the tires will probably last longer.

Ken H.

> > I bought new tires two years ago and have roughly 10,000 miles on them.
> > They are dated at 2012.
> > I pay close attention to the air pressure and run 80 PSI in them.
> > On the way home from Patterson the drivers side rear tire became oval.
> > I believe the belt is coming apart.
> > I got a new one coming from tire discount direct.
> > My concern is that the other 5 may be a problem as time rolls on.
> > I am wondering if anyone else out there has experienced this problem.
> > I am running BFGOODRICH T/A commercial 225/75-16
> > They now carry a commercial T/A 2, which makes me concerned that there
> was a problem with the T/A 1 (now discontinued)
> > We called BFGoodrich and also Tire Discount Direct.
> > Never got any "real" answers from either.
> > So I am asking my fellow GMC'ers
> > Has this happened to you?
> > I hate to buy a new set of 6 when they are less than 3 years old, with
> ALOT of tread still left on them.
> > No one can guess the future, just curious if this is a strange, or
> fairly common issue.
> > Needless to say, I will be paying close attention to my tires, from here
> on out.
> > Thanks for being there.
> > Sincerely,
> > Glenn Gardner
>
>
> Glenn,
>
> Sorry to say that if you bought tires two years ago that were dated 2012,
> they were already 4 yrs old when you installed them. You should probably not
> run tires that are more than 6 yrs old, so the tires that you have on your
> coach are probably timed out. When you buy tires, look at the date codes
> and do not allow install of tires that are more than 5- 6 mo. old, no
> matter what kind of price break you get. Our coaches are especially hard on
> on
> tires, especially in the rear where the sidewalls get strained every time
> we turn a corner, so 6 yr old tires is the max you should be running. Now
> Michelin Tire claims you can go 10 yrs, and some have gotten away with
> that, and some have had blowouts at 6 yrs.
>
> As a side opinion, the installer should have never sold you 4 yr old
> tires. Personally, I'd run them over the coals on that and insist that they
> compensate you in some way for this issue. JMHO
>
> Sorry you are having this problem.
> --
> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
>
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[emerystora]

Scooby Doo —

Why are you running 80 psi?
That might be contributing to the wear problem you are stating. You are probably reading the sidewall that say Max Tire Pressure is 80 psi. That doesn’t mean that you should use the Max pressure.
You should base your tire pressure on the weight on the tire. Most GMC motorhomes do not exceed 2000 pounds per tire.

You are running way too high a pressure. I use 65 psi all around and you could even use less. Several GMCers run even lower pressures. Since I drive the speed limit on interstates I prefer the 65 psi.

There is nothing wrong with the TA1. The TA2 is just a slightly different thread design. I have used both over several years and don’t notice any difference.

The last time I bought tires from Discount Tire they put on 4 T/A2 and 2 T/A1.
Since I always inspect my tires before I leave a dealer I brought this to their attention and I pointed out that the T/A1 were already two years old so I told them to take them off and replace them with T/A2 tires.

They did so.

The pressure of 80 psi will support 2650 pounds. I checked with BF Goodrich for you and they tell me that the recommended pressure for 2000 pounds is 60 psi.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO


>

>> I bought new tires two years ago and have roughly 10,000 miles on them.
>> They are dated at 2012.
>> I pay close attention to the air pressure and run 80 PSI in them.
>> On the way home from Patterson the drivers side rear tire became oval.
>> I believe the belt is coming apart.
>> I got a new one coming from tire discount direct.
>> My concern is that the other 5 may be a problem as time rolls on.
>> I am wondering if anyone else out there has experienced this problem.
>> I am running BFGOODRICH T/A commercial 225/75-16
>> They now carry a commercial T/A 2, which makes me concerned that there was a problem with the T/A 1 (now discontinued)
>> We called BFGoodrich and also Tire Discount Direct.
>> Never got any "real" answers from either.
>> So I am asking my fellow GMC'ers
>> Has this happened to you?
>> I hate to buy a new set of 6 when they are less than 3 years old, with ALOT of tread still left on them.
>> No one can guess the future, just curious if this is a strange, or fairly common issue.
>> Needless to say, I will be paying close attention to my tires, from here on out.
>> Thanks for being there.
>> Sincerely,
>> Glenn Gardner
>
>
> Glenn,
>
> Sorry to say that if you bought tires two years ago that were dated 2012, they were already 4 yrs old when you installed them. You should probably not
> run tires that are more than 6 yrs old, so the tires that you have on your coach are probably timed out. When you buy tires, look at the date codes
> and do not allow install of tires that are more than 5- 6 mo. old, no matter what kind of price break you get. Our coaches are especially hard on on
> tires, especially in the rear where the sidewalls get strained every time we turn a corner, so 6 yr old tires is the max you should be running. Now
> Michelin Tire claims you can go 10 yrs, and some have gotten away with that, and some have had blowouts at 6 yrs.
>
> As a side opinion, the installer should have never sold you 4 yr old tires. Personally, I'd run them over the coals on that and insist that they
> compensate you in some way for this issue. JMHO
>
> Sorry you are having this problem.
> --
> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
>
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[Gene Fisher]

Read here
http://bdub.net/gmcmotorhome.info/tires.html

> Scooby Doo —
>
> Why are you running 80 psi?
> That might be contributing to the wear problem you are stating. You are
> probably reading the sidewall that say Max Tire Pressure is 80 psi. That
> doesn’t mean that you should use the Max pressure.
> You should base your tire pressure on the weight on the tire. Most GMC
> motorhomes do not exceed 2000 pounds per tire.
>
> You are running way too high a pressure. I use 65 psi all around and you
> could even use less. Several GMCers run even lower pressures. Since I
> drive the speed limit on interstates I prefer the 65 psi.
>
> There is nothing wrong with the TA1. The TA2 is just a slightly different
> thread design. I have used both over several years and don’t notice any
> difference.
>
> The last time I bought tires from Discount Tire they put on 4 T/A2 and 2
> T/A1.
> Since I always inspect my tires before I leave a dealer I brought this to
> their attention and I pointed out that the T/A1 were already two years old
> so I told them to take them off and replace them with T/A2 tires.
>
> They did so.
>
> The pressure of 80 psi will support 2650 pounds. I checked with BF
> Goodrich for you and they tell me that the recommended pressure for 2000
> pounds is 60 psi.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
>

> >

> >> I bought new tires two years ago and have roughly 10,000 miles on them.
> >> They are dated at 2012.
> >> I pay close attention to the air pressure and run 80 PSI in them.
> >> On the way home from Patterson the drivers side rear tire became oval.
> >> I believe the belt is coming apart.
> >> I got a new one coming from tire discount direct.
> >> My concern is that the other 5 may be a problem as time rolls on.
> >> I am wondering if anyone else out there has experienced this problem.
> >> I am running BFGOODRICH T/A commercial 225/75-16
> >> They now carry a commercial T/A 2, which makes me concerned that there
> was a problem with the T/A 1 (now discontinued)
> >> We called BFGoodrich and also Tire Discount Direct.
> >> Never got any "real" answers from either.
> >> So I am asking my fellow GMC'ers
> >> Has this happened to you?
> >> I hate to buy a new set of 6 when they are less than 3 years old, with
> ALOT of tread still left on them.
> >> No one can guess the future, just curious if this is a strange, or
> fairly common issue.
> >> Needless to say, I will be paying close attention to my tires, from
> here on out.
> >> Thanks for being there.
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Glenn Gardner
> >
> >
> > Glenn,
> >
> > Sorry to say that if you bought tires two years ago that were dated
> 2012, they were already 4 yrs old when you installed them. You should
> probably not
> > run tires that are more than 6 yrs old, so the tires that you have on
> your coach are probably timed out. When you buy tires, look at the date
> codes
> > and do not allow install of tires that are more than 5- 6 mo. old, no
> matter what kind of price break you get. Our coaches are especially hard on
> on
> > tires, especially in the rear where the sidewalls get strained every
> time we turn a corner, so 6 yr old tires is the max you should be running.
> Now
> > Michelin Tire claims you can go 10 yrs, and some have gotten away with
> that, and some have had blowouts at 6 yrs.
> >
> > As a side opinion, the installer should have never sold you 4 yr old
> tires. Personally, I'd run them over the coals on that and insist that they
> > compensate you in some way for this issue. JMHO
> >
> > Sorry you are having this problem.
> > --
> > Larry
> > 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> > Menomonie, WI.
> >
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[Carl Stouffer]

Guys,

Look at the date of the original posting by Glenn

April 2015
--
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'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles,
Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member

 

[Ken H.]

I must be missing something: I see no posting from "Glenn".

Ken H.

> Guys,
>
> Look at the date of the original posting by Glenn
>
> April 2015
> --
>
>

 

[LarryW]

> I must be missing something: I see no posting from "Glenn".
>
> Ken H.
>

>
> > Guys,
> >
> > Look at the date of the original posting by Glenn
> >
> > April 2015
> > --
> >
> >
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The original posting was April 6th 2015. See top of the thread.

http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=33761&start=0&rid=19

It got me to.
--
Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.

 

[bdub1]

I was talking to a fellow the other day about the BFG Commercial TA that
threw it's tread. He said that he'd had trouble with them as well and that
there'd been a recall but nobody knew about it. He said his insurance
company readily paid for the tire and damage and told him that they'd get
their money back from BG Goodrich with no problem at all as it wasn't the
first time.
Just what I heard. I had no damage from the 6 year old tire so chalked it
up to luck since I shouldn't have been running it in the first place. I
made it another 2000 miles on the rears but will change them out before the
next trip.

I heard good things about the Toyo HT so am thinking I'll try them next
bdub

> In April 2017 and again in April 2018 I had the same brand and size of B F
> Goodrich tires blow out in the left rear of my GMC. Each time it caused
> $2000 worth of damage. Tires were purchased in 2011 and had about 22,000
> mi on them when they blew.
> On inspection by retail installer, all the remaining tires have had the
> bead sliding out of the American Eagle aluminum wheels by a about a quarter
> of
> an inch. B F Goodrich customer support will do nothing about this,
> because the tires are beyond their 6 year warranty period.
> It looks like the cord that goes through the bead must be failing. This is
> allowing the bead to lift out of the rim and eventually fail, blowing out
> the tire.
> I had never heard of this happening before, but this is an alert to all to
> inspect the beads on their tires for potential failure.
> I can post pictures if anyone does not understand what to look for.
> I am in the process of deciding on replacement tires.
> ?Time for another discussion of the favorites out there among the group.
>

 

[johnny]

If they're dated 2012 they're fast approaching the end of their service life. For what it's worth, one of the Goorich commercial t/a tires I took off
the drive (front) wheels had a belt separation. Replaced with Cooper HT3s.

--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased

 

[jim kanomata1]

Your insurance will cover the body damage.
Lot of times the tire shop did not mount the tire by using the small
diameter of the rim to eable it to slip on with out streching the cord at
the bead.
I see that often as the tire machines have the power to do it.

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

> If they're dated 2012 they're fast approaching the end of their service
> life. For what it's worth, one of the Goorich commercial t/a tires I took
> off
> the drive (front) wheels had a belt separation. Replaced with Cooper HT3s.
>
> --johnny
> --
> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>
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[tom geiger]

I've had a set of T/A's and have been struggle with the passenger side tand tires keeping in balance. Wonder if one of them is simply bad??

 

[LarryW]

IMO, one needs to stay with a well known brand of tire. I tried out a set of off brand tires from Hercules and distributed by a local dealer. Made
here in the USA and with a tread that was almost identical to the Michelin LTS MS, the price was 1/2 of the Michelin. Rode nice for the first year.
Then started having tread separation issues. Problem is they are distributed mostly in the upper Midwest, so when you have issues while traveling in
the south, there is nowhere to go to get it adjusted. If you can find a place to adjust, they are few and far between so it may cost more in fuel to
get to the adjuster than the tire is worth. I had to put a timed out spare on which got me another 2K miles home. I now get Michelin LTS MS,
replacing two every two years. NO issues accept I've had to learn to keep my foot out of the throttle as I seem to wear the fronts out quicker than
any of the rears. I have a slight alignment problem with the mid axle passenger side. Wearing a little on the outside. But, have found that 10-12K
mi/year is not enough to wear significantly enought to bother with fixing the alignment. Tires age out before they wear out. Just how I do things.
Your milage may vary.

Go to a empty parking lot sometime, and make like you are turning a sharp corner. In the middle of corner, stop, get out and look at the rear tires
both sides. The twisting action as a result of turning on a pivot that is between the two rears really stresses the sidewalls. Now considering that we
make hundreds of turns on any given life of these tires, it is a wonder that we don't have more blowouts than we do. The extra money spent on a BRAND
name will pay for itself in the long run. JMHO.

--
Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.

 

[les holmes]

Got to thinking of tire problems I never had, bought my coach all-most 10 years ago out of New Hampshire flew out took delivery and drove home to
Vancouver BC. O problems since then we have not stopped travelling going south to AZ and Mex and many beautiful stops along the way to the sunshine
every winter [ Nov to May ] every year lots of miles YES we have had our problems Engine and tranny never a tire problem . the old girl will be 45
this year and doing just fine,I do most of my own maintenance big stuff to the experts I have found many on my travels who love and know the ins &
outs of the G M C. I have always used Firestone tires. And hope to keeps on rolling along for a few more years.love it. Les Holmes
--
homer