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Was reading online, cinnabar recommended 80psi tire pressure . My glovebox says 60psi. Have talked with another GMC’r and he says 65 front, 60 rear.
What is the general thought process? By the way, Firestone says 80psi on the tire.
Thanx
Thom High
1973 Sequoia
Vancouver Washington
 
Firestone Number is MAXIMUM INFLATION PRESSURE. Not what you should run.
Start with 65 psi all around. If that is a bit too harsh a ride, reduce by
5 psi at a time.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

> Was reading online, cinnabar recommended 80psi tire pressure . My glovebox
> says 60psi. Have talked with another GMC’r and he says 65 front, 60 rear.
> What is the general thought process? By the way, Firestone says 80psi on
> the tire.
> Thanx
> Thom High
> 1973 Sequoia
> Vancouver Washington
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80psi is nuts, unless you're into loose fillings and a hard ride. All tire manufacturers have inflation charts for their tires on their websites.
The correct tire pressure for a given tire is 95% dependent on the load on that particular tire.

I've assisted at GMCMI rallies where they weigh all 6 tires and check ride height. It's very illuminating. Without knowing the actual load and ride
heights many people mistakenly believe that their handling and ride problems have to do with the steering box or linkage. We've seen coaches where
the side to side weights were so far out of balance that I was surprised the things could drive straight in the parking lot. Over or under inflation
affects the tire's contact patch and tread and sidewall stiffness. These are things that affect the safety of you and yours. Don't guess. Make it a
point to get your coach weighed. There are a number of places to have it done.

Generally you won't go wrong with 65psi all the way around, but the rear 4 tires have less of a load than the front tires, so some will drop the rear
tires by a couple or five psi. Again, the manufacturer's load tables rule. Know your weights.

Richard
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'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte
 
Thom,
What is on the glove box refers to Bias Belted tires, and were all using
Radials.
Lot depends on how much stuff your carrying inside the coach.
I run r65-70 in front

> Firestone Number is MAXIMUM INFLATION PRESSURE. Not what you should run.
> Start with 65 psi all around. If that is a bit too harsh a ride, reduce by
> 5 psi at a time.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>

>
> > Was reading online, cinnabar recommended 80psi tire pressure . My
> glovebox
> > says 60psi. Have talked with another GMC’r and he says 65 front, 60 rear.
> > What is the general thought process? By the way, Firestone says 80psi on
> > the tire.
> > Thanx
> > Thom High
> > 1973 Sequoia
> > Vancouver Washington
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.gmcrvparts.com
1-800-752-7502
 
Keep in mind, the pressures are taken COLD, not HOT.
There can be from 3-6 psi difference.

> Thom,
> What is on the glove box refers to Bias Belted tires, and were all using
> Radials.
> Lot depends on how much stuff your carrying inside the coach.
> I run r65-70 in front
>

>
>> Firestone Number is MAXIMUM INFLATION PRESSURE. Not what you should run.
>> Start with 65 psi all around. If that is a bit too harsh a ride, reduce by
>> 5 psi at a time.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
>>

>>
>> > Was reading online, cinnabar recommended 80psi tire pressure . My
>> glovebox
>> > says 60psi. Have talked with another GMC’r and he says 65 front, 60
>> rear.
>> > What is the general thought process? By the way, Firestone says 80psi on
>> > the tire.
>> > Thanx
>> > Thom High
>> > 1973 Sequoia
>> > Vancouver Washington
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > GMCnet mailing list
>> > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
> 1-800-752-7502
>

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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.gmcrvparts.com
1-800-752-7502
 
Also the pressure is for load range D tires, most are running E’s.

Sent from my iPad stormn

>
> Thom,
> What is on the glove box refers to Bias Belted tires, and were all using
> Radials.
> Lot depends on how much stuff your carrying inside the coach.
> I run r65-70 in front
>

>>
>> Firestone Number is MAXIMUM INFLATION PRESSURE. Not what you should run.
>> Start with 65 psi all around. If that is a bit too harsh a ride, reduce by
>> 5 psi at a time.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
>>

>>>
>>> Was reading online, cinnabar recommended 80psi tire pressure . My
>> glovebox
>>> says 60psi. Have talked with another GMC’r and he says 65 front, 60 rear.
>>> What is the general thought process? By the way, Firestone says 80psi on
>>> the tire.
>>> Thanx
>>> Thom High
>>> 1973 Sequoia
>>> Vancouver Washington
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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>
>
> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
> 1-800-752-7502
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> Also the pressure is for load range D tires, most are running E’s.
>
> Sent from my iPad stormn

Norm,

If you pull up the tables, you will see that the recommended inflation by tire size for a load is typically constant regardless of ply rating.
The only reason I buy all 10 ply (LRE-rating) is because they all start out on the front when they are new. I also keep the spare at a front
inflation.

Matt
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Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
For our coach (78Royale @ 11,960lbs) I have found that on Michelin 245-75 tires 70lbs front, 65lbs rear seems to get me an acceptable ride and decent
wear characteristics. You need to weigh your coach (each axle) 'then go to tire brand web site to find weight scales which will tell you what pressure
you should run for any given weight/tire. JWID
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Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
 
This is a repost of something I wrote December 2019. Might be worth repeating.

I have put the coach on a 6 yr replacement plan. 2 tires every two years. Seems the front tires wear the fastest. Then is seems the mid axle wears
next. and the rear axle is just along for the ride and wear the least. When the front wear to a point where traction may be compromised or reach 4 yrs
old, I move them to mid axle. Mid axle rims get new tires and moved to the rear. Rear tires get moved to the front. Do this every two years, so I'm
only laying out money for two at a time every two years. We also put on about 10 - 14 k miles every year. So by the time replace two 6yr old tires,
they have between 30-42K miles on them. They have now timed out with as many miles as I can get out of them and still safely run them. This way,
oldest tires are 6yrs, followed by 4 yrs and 2yrs. I've actually got one wheel...the passenger side mid axle that is slightly toed in and wears faster
than all of the others. But it has become not worth the effort to correct the slight toe problem on that wheel, because the tire there times out
before it is worn below the wear bars. This all works for me running Michelin LTX-MS tires. If the coach will stand still for more than a couple of
weeks, I tire cover them as I do not have inside storage.

The hard part is getting into that replacement management scheme. You may have to replace a set a year or two earlier or later to get the rotation
right. I was able to do it when I bought an off-brand set of tires that tread separated. Two of them at two years use and another two at 4 years. Just
worked out for me. The problem with off-brand tires is that they were regionally available, so when they went bad while traveling south, I was not
able to get to a shop that carried the brand to make the adjustment. The one time I could get to a shop that carried them, it was far enough out of
the way that it would have cost me more in gas to get there than the cost of the replacement tire. JMHO, but now I use only Michelin LTXMS, and have
never had a problem with them. To me, the peace of mind is worth the extra money for the Brand Name.

I also take the best of the two 6 yr old tires and move it to the spare. Requires having same size rim on spare as the other 6 on the coach. That way
the spare is never more than 8 yrs old.

FWIW, some time when you have time, take your GMCMH to a empty part of a parking lot. Stop somewhere out of the way. Then, turning the steering wheel,
crank the wheel all of the way either left or right. Put coach in gear and go forward 1/4 to 1/2 of a circle. Stop, put it in park and get out and
look at the 4 rear wheel/tires. It is shocking how much those bogie arms and tires bend/squirm to accommodate a turn. / | \ Front tires don't react
nearly as extreme as rears. So, every time you turn a corner, you are really working those sidewalls. IMO, with that kind of squirm, this is why most
blow-outs occur on the rear as those sidewalls are consistantly being bent/streatched to their limits. So, I think we need to be running a well
made/engineered tire that is capable of handling this abuse. When I park my coach for the night or for that matter, any period of time, if I had just
turned the wheel a little, I will point the wheels straight forward, then pull forward and back 2-3 times just to take the bend/squirm out of the
tires. Just what I do. (JWID)
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Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
 
80 is the maximum allowed inflation for load range E, AND the pressure required to carry the max load molded into the tire sidewall. I run 65 fronts
and 63 rears. 65 spare. If I ever get 4 corner weights I will adjust accordingly, probably lower I’m guessing.
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John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
 
John,

That is exactly where I run my coach based on the weights measured on each tire. If you are ever coming through NW Indiana with your coach, call me
and we will have you stop by the airport in Valparaiso, Indiana. We can weigh your coach at each wheel. The portable scales are hanging on the wall
in my hangar there.

We also usually weigh coaches at most GMCMI rallys if I attend. We will probably weigh coaches next fall at the GMCMI rally in Wisconsin.
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
Hope to get it weighed there in Wi this fall Ken. Thanks.
Remember the driver education classes for spouses and such at the rally’s? Might be interesting to have a couple good driving and bad driving
coaches for owners to compare if the fairgrounds had a paved area parking lot at one of the rallies someday. I remember how they drove back in the
70’s.
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John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
 
John, yes! This. I've asked a number of GMC owners how many GMCs they've driven - a very common answer being one. It's hard to compare when your
data set is one.

Alex Ferrara related a story about how he was, as usual, spending his time at a GMCMI convention fixing peoples' coaches to drive straight. He was
talking to a long time GMCer, with decades of automotive knowledge and business experience, and Alex asked to take a look at the guy's steering setup.
Guy's like no, no need it's fine. Alex says humor me. Yep, the steering box was mis-clocked. Alex does his thing, fifteen minutes later says take
it for a drive. Guy comes back with a huge smile exclaiming that he had always thought that that was how they were supposed to drive and just got
used to it!

I'm willing to assist in this any way I can.

Richard

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'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte
 
I've weighed my coach several times and it's pretty heavy. I use almost the exact same tire pressures as you do, John.
--
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte
 
Thom
I have Firestone Transforce tires and there tire chart recommended 60 psi front (4190 weight) 55 back tires (6260 rear axle weight.) I did not weigh
each tire. I just weighed the front and divide by two and rear divide by four. I think it should get you in the ballpark. Too much pressure keeps
tires cooler but higher risk of impact damage. To low of pressure moves towards more heat but less chance of impact damage and better tread patch on
road. Hope this helps.
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M Beam
75’ Avion
TBI EBL , 3.70 LSD and other stuff
Zuki Sidekick,
Dozier Al
 
Start of with 65# or 60# in the front and 60# in the rear. You could try 55# later.

J.R. Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMC Eastern States Charter Member
GMCMI
78 GMC Buskirk 29.5’ Stretch
75 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan

>
> Thom
> I have Firestone Transforce tires and there tire chart recommended 60 psi front (4190 weight) 55 back tires (6260 rear axle weight.) I did not weigh
> each tire. I just weighed the front and divide by two and rear divide by four. I think it should get you in the ballpark. Too much pressure keeps
> tires cooler but higher risk of impact damage. To low of pressure moves towards more heat but less chance of impact damage and better tread patch on
> road. Hope this helps.
> --
> M Beam
> 75’ Avion
> TBI EBL , 3.70 LSD and other stuff
> Zuki Sidekick,
> Dozier Al
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WAAAY back in the days of the tire wars didn't Wes Coughlin of Cinnabar come up with the 80psi?
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
 
Yes, he read it right off of the side of any LRE tire of that size but failed to read, or understand, the weight molded in the tire next to it. Then
he passed that information on to us GMC dummies.
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana