Tire Blowout

clark searle

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The whole thread about tire blowouts is sort of shocking to me. When is the
last time you had a blowout on a four wheeler (or heard about one)? Semi's
roll up millions of miles and although they occasionally shed some freeway
alligators, the casings are usually good enough to retread. And
semi-trailers going down the highway don't seem to have any wiggle-waggle
going in and out of the ruts. Of course these are apples and oranges
compared to our coaches, but it does cause you to wonder about the
differences. One big difference is the rear wheel suspension- our are
independent and theirs are tied to an axle which keeps the tires on both
sides tracking parallel. After about 5,000 miles on my new tires and Alcoa
wheels I'm seeing a slightly uneven wear pattern from one tread section to
the next. This caused me to suspect the alignment- so I made a fixture to
measure the situation. Without boring everyone with the details, I made a
track that is spaced out parallel to the frame rail. From that I mounted a
pivoting arrangement that picks up the outer flat area on the wheel and
using a 90 degree shape, points down the rail 46 inches to a scale graduated
in tenths of a degree. In my case the right forward wheel was pretty close-
towed in about 0.15 degree, but the rear was pointed out 0.35 degrees. On
the left side, again one wheel was in about 0.1 degree and the other out 0.4
degrees. At first, I thought that wasn't too bad, until I did the math and
concluded that the two worst wheels collectively point 0.75 degrees apart
and that means they scrub about 1.2 inches for each revolution of the tire.
I'm in the process of having them realigned right now, so I can't say if
this will make any difference in driveability, but I do expect an
improvement in tread wear and they should run cooler. My guess is that heat
is the biggest enemy of tire life. Heat increases with over-load,
under-inflation, high speed, out-of-balance, road hazards and mis-alignment.
I also was interested in the comments by a net-member a while ago who
reported much worse road wander with new tires and Alcoas. Could that be
related to the stiffness of his new Load Range E vs old D's? It makes me
wonder if lateral flexing of the side walls helps or hurts driveability.

Clark Searle
Mt. Pleasant, MI
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Clark & JoAnne Searle
To: owner-gmcmotorhome

Date: Monday, November 22, 1999 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: Tire Blowout

>Would like to add a post script. Last Saturday I got our coach back after
a
>rear wheel alignment, new rear shocks (KYB) and a 3.55 final drive.
>Driveability on the highway is tremendously improved. Before, driving was
>an active full time job- not impossible, but you had to be on your toes all
>the time. Now it drives like my car and I'm thrilled with the improvement
>(haven't experienced a groovey road yet, tho). I don't know whether to
>credit the alignment or the shocks or both. In the alignment category,
>according to my home made checking fixture, the error was cut in about
half-
>worst wheel now is 0.33 degrees off (vs. 0.65 before). By the way, the GMC
>Maintenance Manual (1978 Supplement) equates to a maximum of 0.31 degrees
>total error of the wheel on one side compared to the wheel on the opposite
>side. In my case, the worst combination is 0.41 degrees- not perfect, but
>much better than before (was 0.81 side to side). In fairness, I'll repeat
>that I don't know if or how much the shocks also contributed to the
>improvement- probably somewhat.
>
>As for the final drive, at first on start-ups, it sounded like the tranny
>needed to shift into high gear (but it already was there). Then after
>stabilizing at road speed, that feeling disapeared. In other words, there
>was some increase in engine noise, but not objectionable. As for driving,
>light accelerations are pretty effortless and the trasmission seems to run
>cooler (can't say for sure since it's also much cooler outside and I wasn't
>pulling any tough grades). All in all I'm very pleased with the
performance
>improvement, but I'm glad that I didn't hold out for an even higher ratio.
>Also, no differential whine so far.
>
>Bottom line, I'm a really happy camper with the effects of these changes.
>
>Clark Searle
>Mt. Pleasant, MI
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-gmcmotorhome
>
>To: gmcmotorhome
>Date: Sunday, November 14, 1999 9:46 PM
>Subject: GMC: Tire Blowout
>
>
>The whole thread about tire blowouts is sort of shocking to me. When is
the
>last time you had a blowout on a four wheeler (or heard about one)? Semi's
>roll up millions of miles and although they occasionally shed some freeway
>alligators, the casings are usually good enough to retread. And
>semi-trailers going down the highway don't seem to have any wiggle-waggle
>going in and out of the ruts. Of course these are apples and oranges
>compared to our coaches, but it does cause you to wonder about the
>differences. One big difference is the rear wheel suspension- our are
>independent and theirs are tied to an axle which keeps the tires on both
>sides tracking parallel. After about 5,000 miles on my new tires and Alcoa
>wheels I'm seeing a slightly uneven wear pattern from one tread section to
>the next. This caused me to suspect the alignment- so I made a fixture to
>measure the situation. Without boring everyone with the details, I made a
>track that is spaced out parallel to the frame rail. From that I mounted a
>pivoting arrangement that picks up the outer flat area on the wheel and
>using a 90 degree shape, points down the rail 64 inches to a scale
graduated
>in tenths of a degree. In my case the right forward wheel was pretty
close-
>towed in about 0.15 degree, but the rear was pointed out 0.35 degrees. On
>the left side, again one wheel was in about 0.1 degree and the other out
0.4
>degrees. At first, I thought that wasn't too bad, until I did the math and
>concluded that the two worst wheels collectively point 0.75 degrees apart
>and that means they scrub about 1.2 inches for each revolution of the tire.
>I'm in the process of having them realigned right now, so I can't say if
>this will make any difference in driveability, but I do expect an
>improvement in tread wear and they should run cooler. My guess is that
heat
>is the biggest enemy of tire life. Heat increases with over-load,
>under-inflation, high speed, out-of-balance, road hazards and
mis-alignment.
>I also was interested in the comments by a net-member a while ago who
>reported much worse road wander with new tires and Alcoas. Could that be
>related to the stiffness of his new Load Range E vs old D's? It makes me
>wonder if lateral flexing of the side walls helps or hurts driveability.
>
>Clark Searle
>Mt. Pleasant, MI
>
>
 
Would like to add a post script. Last Saturday I got our coach back after
a rear wheel alignment, new rear shocks (KYB) and a 3.55 final drive.
Driveability on the highway is tremendously improved. Before, driving was
an active full time job- not impossible, but you had to be on your toes all
the time. Now it drives like my car and I'm thrilled with the improvement
(haven't experienced a groovey road yet, tho). I don't know whether to
credit the alignment or the shocks or both. In the alignment category,
according to my home made checking fixture, the error was cut in about
half- worst wheel now is 0.33 degrees off (vs. 0.65 before). By the way,
the
GMC Maintenance Manual (1978 Supplement) equates to a maximum of 0.31
degrees total error of the wheel on one side compared to the wheel on the
opposite side. In my case, the worst combination is 0.41 degrees- not
perfect, but much better than before (was 0.81 side to side). In fairness,
I'll
repeat that I don't know if or how much the shocks also contributed to the
improvement- probably somewhat.

As for the final drive, at first on start-ups, it sounded like the tranny
needed to shift into high gear (but it already was there). Then after
stabilizing at road speed, that feeling disapeared. In other words, there
was some increase in engine noise, but not objectionable. As for driving,
light accelerations are pretty effortless and the trasmission seems to run
cooler (can't say for sure since it's also much cooler outside and I wasn't
pulling any tough grades). All in all I'm very pleased with the
performance improvement, but I'm glad that I didn't hold out for an even
higher ratio. Also, no differential whine so far.

Bottom line, I'm a really happy camper with the effects of these changes.

Clark Searle
Mt. Pleasant, MI
- -----Original Message-----
From: Clark
To: gmcmotorhome
Date: Sunday, November 14, 1999 9:46 PM
Subject: Tire Blowout

The whole thread about tire blowouts is sort of shocking to me. When is the
last time you had a blowout on a four wheeler (or heard about one)? Semi's
roll up millions of miles and although they occasionally shed some freeway
alligators, the casings are usually good enough to retread. And
semi-trailers going down the highway don't seem to have any wiggle-waggle
going in and out of the ruts. Of course these are apples and oranges
compared to our coaches, but it does cause you to wonder about the
differences. One big difference is the rear wheel suspension- our are
independent and theirs are tied to an axle which keeps the tires on both
sides tracking parallel. After about 5,000 miles on my new tires and Alcoa
wheels I'm seeing a slightly uneven wear pattern from one tread section to
the next. This caused me to suspect the alignment- so I made a fixture to
measure the situation. Without boring everyone with the details, I made a
track that is spaced out parallel to the frame rail. From that I mounted a
pivoting arrangement that picks up the outer flat area on the wheel and
using a 90 degree shape, points down the rail 46 inches to a scale graduated
in tenths of a degree. In my case the right forward wheel was pretty close-
towed in about 0.15 degree, but the rear was pointed out 0.35 degrees. On
the left side, again one wheel was in about 0.1 degree and the other out 0.4
degrees. At first, I thought that wasn't too bad, until I did the math and
concluded that the two worst wheels collectively point 0.75 degrees apart
and that means they scrub about 1.2 inches for each revolution of the tire.
I'm in the process of having them realigned right now, so I can't say if
this will make any difference in driveability, but I do expect an
improvement in tread wear and they should run cooler. My guess is that heat
is the biggest enemy of tire life. Heat increases with over-load,
under-inflation, high speed, out-of-balance, road hazards and mis-alignment.
I also was interested in the comments by a net-member a while ago who
reported much worse road wander with new tires and Alcoas. Could that be
related to the stiffness of his new Load Range E vs old D's? It makes me
wonder if lateral flexing of the side walls helps or hurts driveability.

Clark Searle
Mt. Pleasant, MI
 
Sorry for the double post. My brouser was having trouble with me.
Clark Searle
- -----Original Message-----
From: Clark & JoAnne Searle
To: GMC Motorhome
Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 10:39 PM
Subject: GMC: Fw: Tire Blowout

>Would like to add a post script. Last Saturday I got our coach back
after...