time to swap the batteries (6 x deep cycle 6 volt)

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Now that a big batch of the Birchhaven projects are done (bodywork, cooling=
and steering) its time to turn attentions back to the Eleganza projects =
later this month. The beefy Trojan T-145 deep cycles served their time we=
ll with our solar array, but now after 8 years its definitely time to rep=
lace them: one pair on each side up front, and one pair in the rear near=
the generator. The 145=E2=80=99s are slightly taller and pricier than the=
standard T-105=E2=80=99s. So we=E2=80=99re considering same-sized T-125=
=E2=80=99s, or going Costco, or Interstate http://www.interstatebatteries.c=
om/m/category/golf/golf-car-content or even this =E2=80=9CUS" brand that we=
heard good things about http://www.batterytown.com/us-battery-us125xc-6v-d=
eep-cycle-golf-cart-battery.html With the onboard studio, our electric ne=
eds (without generator noise) are a bit more extreme than most, but this =
time around we gotta keep costs low-as-possible, so any first-hand reviews/=
prices on deep cycles (in SoCal) to fit our GMC front compartments (w/Ragus=
a battery trays) would of course be appreciated, thanks! And instead o=
f re-using the kinda fragile terminal extenders (which extend upwards from =
the battery post, allowing more connections to the post, while making every=
thing too cramped up there), this time i=E2=80=99m gonna have to find a few=
junction/mounts for all the heavy-duty cable connections (and i=E2=80=
=99ll need 3 of them, one for each positive post of each battery pair), and=
each one has to be able to handle a size range from 4 gauge to 4/0, includ=
ing: the solar connections, the 0 gauge for connecting parallel pairs of ba=
tteries up front, and then the monster 4/0 runs for going to the inverter. =
Might have to build my own junction boxes, =E2=80=98cause between searchin=
g Grainger and high-end car stereo install places, i=E2=80=99m not seeing a=
ny commercially available options that handle up to 4/0. Any ideas where e=
lse i can look? ideally they=E2=80=99d be shielded with see-through plasti=
c. And ideally they=E2=80=99d mount on top of the fiberglass recess for th=
e headlights, with a heavy-duty pig-tail running to the positive post. =
Installation will probably involve another week in Tijuana, =E2=80=98cau=
se we=E2=80=99ll take the opportunity to tackle all the over-due work up fr=
ont: weld those broken aluminum struts behind the radiator; rebuild the lea=
king steering box; and yes, some more bodywork with the front cap=E2=80=
=A6 reinforcing those cracked thin parts below the front access doors, re-m=
ounting the grille=E2=80=A6. all vestiges of the crash of 2003, when the ri=
g was totalled-out with a bent frame! Sometimes it takes a few attempts t=
o get a job done right, Right? cheers all,. Greg / Los Angeles / =
=E2=80=9976 custom cut-down Birch / =E2=80=9978 Eleganza II
 
I went with the batteries from advanced auto.

Buy on line and Use the code trt30 for 30% off.
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1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
 
Greg,

I guess I am surprised that with all the respect that Trojan has that the bank needs replacing after only 7 years. My Sam's
Club Druacells are 8 now and are only down to about 90% of the original capacity. They will have to get to 80% before I will replace the bank.

Matt - ensconced at Bean Station
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
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evices ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ek_Lektro" To: gmclist Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017=
8:14:19 PM Subject: [GMCnet] time to swap the batteries (6 x deep cycle=
6 volt) Now that a big batch of the Birchhaven projects are done (bo=
dywork, cooling and steering) its time to turn attentions back to the El=
eganza projects later this month. The beefy Trojan T-145 deep cycles ser=
ved their time well with our solar array, but now after 8 years its defi=
nitely time to replace them: one pair on each side up front, and one pair i=
n the rear near the generator. The 145=E2=80=99s are slightly taller and=
pricier than the standard T-105=E2=80=99s. So we=E2=80=99re considering=
same-sized T-125=E2=80=99s, or going Costco, or Interstate http://www.inte=
rstatebatteries.com/m/category/golf/golf-car-content or even this =E2=80=
=9CUS" brand that we heard good things about http://www.batterytown.com/us-=
battery-us125xc-6v-deep-cycle-golf-cart-battery.html With the onboard st=
udio, our electric needs (without generator noise) are a bit more extreme t=
han most, but this time around we gotta keep costs low-as-possible, so a=
ny first-hand reviews/prices on deep cycles (in SoCal) to fit our GMC front=
compartments (w/Ragusa battery trays) would of course be appreciated, than=
ks! And instead of re-using the kinda fragile terminal extenders (whi=
ch extend upwards from the battery post, allowing more connections to the p=
ost, while making everything too cramped up there), this time i=E2=80=99m g=
onna have to find a few junction/mounts for all the heavy-duty cable connec=
tions (and i=E2=80=99ll need 3 of them, one for each positive post of each =
battery pair), and each one has to be able to handle a size range from 4 ga=
uge to 4/0, including: the solar connections, the 0 gauge for connecting pa=
rallel pairs of batteries up front, and then the monster 4/0 runs for going=
to the inverter. Might have to build my own junction boxes, =E2=80=98cause=
between searching Grainger and high-end car stereo install places, i=
=E2=80=99m not seeing any commercially available options that handle up to =
4/0. Any ideas where else i can look? ideally they=E2=80=99d be shielded wi=
th see-through plastic. And ideally they=E2=80=99d mount on top of the fibe=
rglass recess for the headlights, with a heavy-duty pig-tail running to the=
positive post. Installation will probably involve another week in Ti=
juana, =E2=80=98cause we=E2=80=99ll take the opportunity to tackle all the =
over-due work up front: weld those broken aluminum struts behind the radiat=
or; rebuild the leaking steering box; and yes, some more bodywork with the =
front cap=E2=80=A6 reinforcing those cracked thin parts below the front acc=
ess doors, re-mounting the grille=E2=80=A6. all vestiges of the crash of 20=
03, when the rig was totalled-out with a bent frame! Sometimes it takes =
a few attempts to get a job done right, Right? cheers all,. Greg /=
Los Angeles / =E2=80=9976 custom cut-down Birch / =E2=80=9978 Eleganza II =
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> Greg,
>
> I guess I am surprised that with all the respect that Trojan has that the bank needs replacing after only 7 years. My Sam's
> Club Druacells are 8 now and are only down to about 90% of the original capacity. They will have to get to 80% before I will replace the bank.
>
> Matt - ensconced at Bean Station
Its not the quality of the Trojan batteries, it is a matter of charge management. Chronic undercharging without even actually discharging them too
deep can lower the life to two years or less. Getting them COMPLETELY charged at least once a week (and never discharging them too deep) can extend
the life expectancy to over ten years. Check this page and note the voltage for bulk charging in the "Charging" section:

http://www.trojanbattery.com/tech-support/battery-maintenance/

Also download the users guide pdf and note that table 4 says the same thing, but includes an "absorption" setting.

http://www.trojanbattery.com/pdf/TrojanBattery_UsersGuide.pdf

Ever wonder how hybrid cars get more than 10 years out of the batteries? Charge management.
--
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73 23' CanyonLands Parts Unit 4 Sale
Upper Alabama
"Every day I become more convinced that I am the only person left on the planet that recognizes nonsense for what it is."
 
> > Greg,
> >
> > I guess I am surprised that with all the respect that Trojan has that the bank needs replacing after only 7 years. My Sam's
> > Club Druacells are 8 now and are only down to about 90% of the original capacity. They will have to get to 80% before I will replace the
> > bank.
> >
> > Matt - ensconced at Bean Station
> Its not the quality of the Trojan batteries, it is a matter of charge management. Chronic undercharging without even actually discharging them too
> deep can lower the life to two years or less. Getting them COMPLETELY charged at least once a week (and never discharging them too deep) can extend
> the life expectancy to over ten years. Check this page and note the voltage for bulk charging in the "Charging" section:
>
> http://www.trojanbattery.com/tech-support/battery-maintenance/
>
> Also download the users guide pdf and note that table 4 says the same thing, but includes an "absorption" setting.
>
> http://www.trojanbattery.com/pdf/TrojanBattery_UsersGuide.pdf
>
> Ever wonder how hybrid cars get more than 10 years out of the batteries? Charge management.

..
Trojan had some issues a while back but are supposed to be back to the top of their game now. The US Battery has had good press lately and I installed
a pair last year. Can't really give you a report either way but I don't really like that they seem to use more water than my Trojan's do in the SOB.
Battery maintenance is everything for life expectancy, from charging to use/depth of discharge. Whatever you use, be sure to check with the specific
manufacturer for charging recommendations. The generic settings most chargers are set for seldom give you the best results. Charging a battery only .2
volts under manufacturer spec will make a significant difference in battery life. Battery science is a whole world of it's own with a huge amount of
miss information floating around.
Hal
--
1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

1975 Eleganza II, 101230

1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout
 
>
> cheers all,.
> Greg / Los Angeles / '76 custom cut-down Birch / '78 Eleganza II

Greg,

The phasing and structure of your text seems familiar.
Does Prophet ring a bell?

Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
> Now that a big batch of the Birchhaven projects are done (bodywork, cooling and steering)
> its time to turn attentions back to the Eleganza projects later this month.
>
> So we're considering same-sized T-125's, or going Costco, or Interstate http://www.interstatebatteries.com/m/category/golf/golf-car-content or
> even this "US" brand that we heard good things about http://www.batterytown.com/us-battery-us125xc-6v-deep-cycle-golf-cart-battery.html
> With the onboard studio, our electric needs (without generator noise) are a bit more extreme than most,
> but this time around we gotta keep costs low-as-possible, so any first-hand reviews/prices on deep cycles (in SoCal) to fit our GMC front
> compartments (w/Ragusa battery trays) would of course be appreciated, thanks!
>
> And instead of re-using the kinda fragile terminal extenders (which extend upwards from the battery post, allowing more connections to the post,
> while making everything too cramped up there), this time i'm gonna have to find a few junction/mounts for all the heavy-duty cable connections (and
> i'll need 3 of them, one for each positive post of each battery pair), and each one has to be able to handle a size range from 4 gauge to 4/0,
> including: the solar connections, the 0 gauge for connecting parallel pairs of batteries up front, and then the monster 4/0 runs for going to the
> inverter. Might have to build my own junction boxes, 'cause between searching Grainger and high-end car stereo install places, i'm not seeing any
> commercially available options that handle up to 4/0. Any ideas where else i can look? ideally they'd be shielded with see-through plastic. And
> ideally they'd mount on top of the fiberglass recess for the headlights, with a heavy-duty pig-tail running to the positive post.
>
> cheers all,.
> Greg / Los Angeles / '76 custom cut-down Birch / '78 Eleganza II

Hi Greg and Others !

Can you share which brand and model batteries you decided to go with? I am in the same boot. In need of 2 new batt for the Coach. I called Costco,
$75/each or Batteries+ Duracell's for $105/each

Found some sears for 145/Each etc.

Since I don't have the equipment to really check + monitor the charging process, I am wondering if I am better of with cheapos ????

Thanks Dutch Marc
--
1973 26' Canyon Land (Mello Yello) (TZE063v101302)
Los Angeles, CA ('98 NL 2 USA)
 
Get the ones with the higher amp hours. They will cost perhaps $20 more but if you are dry camping it is worth it

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

>

>> Now that a big batch of the Birchhaven projects are done (bodywork, cooling and steering)
>> its time to turn attentions back to the Eleganza projects later this month.
>>
>> So we're considering same-sized T-125's, or going Costco, or Interstate http://www.interstatebatteries.com/m/category/golf/golf-car-content or
>> even this "US" brand that we heard good things about http://www.batterytown.com/us-battery-us125xc-6v-deep-cycle-golf-cart-battery.html
>> With the onboard studio, our electric needs (without generator noise) are a bit more extreme than most,
>> but this time around we gotta keep costs low-as-possible, so any first-hand reviews/prices on deep cycles (in SoCal) to fit our GMC front
>> compartments (w/Ragusa battery trays) would of course be appreciated, thanks!
>>
>> And instead of re-using the kinda fragile terminal extenders (which extend upwards from the battery post, allowing more connections to the post,
>> while making everything too cramped up there), this time i'm gonna have to find a few junction/mounts for all the heavy-duty cable connections (and
>> i'll need 3 of them, one for each positive post of each battery pair), and each one has to be able to handle a size range from 4 gauge to 4/0,
>> including: the solar connections, the 0 gauge for connecting parallel pairs of batteries up front, and then the monster 4/0 runs for going to the
>> inverter. Might have to build my own junction boxes, 'cause between searching Grainger and high-end car stereo install places, i'm not seeing any
>> commercially available options that handle up to 4/0. Any ideas where else i can look? ideally they'd be shielded with see-through plastic. And
>> ideally they'd mount on top of the fiberglass recess for the headlights, with a heavy-duty pig-tail running to the positive post.
>>
>> cheers all,.
>> Greg / Los Angeles / '76 custom cut-down Birch / '78 Eleganza II
>
>
> Hi Greg and Others !
>
> Can you share which brand and model batteries you decided to go with? I am in the same boot. In need of 2 new batt for the Coach. I called Costco,
> $75/each or Batteries+ Duracell's for $105/each
>
> Found some sears for 145/Each etc.
>
> Since I don't have the equipment to really check + monitor the charging process, I am wondering if I am better of with cheapos ????
>
>
> Thanks Dutch Marc
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> Los Angeles, CA ('98 NL 2 USA)
>
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I read somewhere that there are only 4 manufacturers of automotive type lead acid batteries left in the US and most of the batteries are made by two
of them. Johnson Controls and Exide. Most other brands are made by these two and branded accordingly. I have not heard of any brand importing
automotive type lead acid batteries.

Also there is a minor shortage of lead in the US as the last smelter in the US was shut down by the EPA a couple of years ago. So all lead for
batteries is sourced from recycling or imported. This caused the price of batteries go up. Double in some cases.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
hey Dutch Marc,
Sorry for the late reply. (i JUST got internet connected down here in TJ, … so just now catching up).

Most RVers will be fine with a pair of Costcos… especially if your generator is in good working order
for when you need heavy lifting, like running the old stock vacuum cleaner, etc.
In our case, with 1000 watts of solar panels and a 2800 watt Magnum sine wave inverter;
we rarely use our generator; but a 2-battery bank is not nearly enough for such usage, including a mini music studio
(We run 4 batteries in the front and 2 in the back,… 2 banks, switchable)

If you’re only doing infrequent inverter usage and don’t want to deal with dual battery banks (and running extra cable, fuses, etc);
then a possible happy medium is the slightly larger pair of batteries in the same stock space. (but you gotta do the math to see if that makes enough of a difference, vs adding 2 more batteries)

I got (4) US 125 XC2 6v batteries (242 amp hour) at Battery Town Costa Mesa CA for $135 each after core swap.
I chose these because we need maximum reserve capacity for the limited space…. every little bit helps;
so that’s why i went with 125’s instead of standard T-105.
((We actually had been running (6) Trojan T-145’s the past 8 years,
but they’re an inch higher, and therefore can cause problems with the tranny shifting linkage up front!))

Any other questions, Let me know…
We’ll be wiring these up next week… AFTER they finish welding the cracked aluminum body mounts,
replacing the radiator, valve cover gaskets, rebuilding steering box, exhaust manifold gaskets…
Yeah, a whole lotta front end stuff this week!

cheers,
Greg / SolarSonic / usually in Los Angeles,.. back in June

>
> Hi Greg and Others !
>
> Can you share which brand and model batteries you decided to go with? I am in the same boot. In need of 2 new batt for the Coach. I called Costco,
> $75/each or Batteries+ Duracell's for $105/each
>
> Found some sears for 145/Each etc.
>
> Since I don't have the equipment to really check + monitor the charging process, I am wondering if I am better of with cheapos ????
 
I hope your mechanics have the bean type inch pound torque wrench to
properly set up the two critical adjustments on the gear box.

If they make the adjustment too tight you will have very hard steering
later as the gear box wears.

> hey Dutch Marc,
> Sorry for the late reply. (i JUST got internet connected down here in TJ,
> … so just now catching up).
>
> Most RVers will be fine with a pair of Costcos… especially if your
> generator is in good working order
> for when you need heavy lifting, like running the old stock vacuum
> cleaner, etc.
> In our case, with 1000 watts of solar panels and a 2800 watt Magnum sine
> wave inverter;
> we rarely use our generator; but a 2-battery bank is not nearly enough for
> such usage, including a mini music studio
> (We run 4 batteries in the front and 2 in the back,… 2 banks, switchable)
>
> If you’re only doing infrequent inverter usage and don’t want to deal with
> dual battery banks (and running extra cable, fuses, etc);
> then a possible happy medium is the slightly larger pair of batteries in
> the same stock space. (but you gotta do the math to see if that makes
> enough of a difference, vs adding 2 more batteries)
>
> I got (4) US 125 XC2 6v batteries (242 amp hour) at Battery Town Costa
> Mesa CA for $135 each after core swap.
> I chose these because we need maximum reserve capacity for the limited
> space…. every little bit helps;
> so that’s why i went with 125’s instead of standard T-105.
> ((We actually had been running (6) Trojan T-145’s the past 8 years,
> but they’re an inch higher, and therefore can cause problems with the
> tranny shifting linkage up front!))
>
> Any other questions, Let me know…
> We’ll be wiring these up next week… AFTER they finish welding the cracked
> aluminum body mounts,
> replacing the radiator, valve cover gaskets, rebuilding steering box,
> exhaust manifold gaskets…
> Yeah, a whole lotta front end stuff this week!
>
> cheers,
> Greg / SolarSonic / usually in Los Angeles,.. back in June
>
>

> >
> > Hi Greg and Others !
> >
> > Can you share which brand and model batteries you decided to go with? I
> am in the same boot. In need of 2 new batt for the Coach. I called Costco,
> > $75/each or Batteries+ Duracell's for $105/each
> >
> > Found some sears for 145/Each etc.
> >
> > Since I don't have the equipment to really check + monitor the charging
> process, I am wondering if I am better of with cheapos ????
>
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