Someone asked me today. What's the longest oil filter for our engines. These are the ones that I know. Two of the short ones that I wouldn't use. Fram PH25, and WIX 51307are 3.5 inches long. WIX 51049 is 5 inches long. I'm sure that there are more brands that are 5 inches long. Bob Dunahugh
Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot, and long.
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Bob,
The Wix 51307 should NOT be used in either a 455 or 403 as it has a bypass valve.
http://oilfilterdata.com/index.php?view=filter_info&model=51307
The oil filter adapter of the 455 and 403 has a bypass valve in it:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/455-2f-403-engine-oil-flow-path/p60140-oil-filter-base1.html
Nor should any other filter with a bypass valve; I learned that from presentations made by Dick Patterson.
The Fram PF25 does not have a bypass valve, however, before I used on I'd cut it open and see what the total area of the filter
element was.
Here's a link that shows a Wix 51049 filter element unfolded and stretched out;
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/455-2f-403-engine-oil-flow-path/p53487-wix-51049-element.html
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Bob Dunahugh
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 9:43 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: [GMCnet] Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot, and long.
Someone asked me today. What's the longest oil filter for our engines. These are the ones that I know. Two of the short ones that
I wouldn't use. Fram PH25, and WIX 51307are 3.5 inches long. WIX 51049 is 5 inches long. I'm sure that there are more brands that
are 5 inches long. Bob Dunahugh
_______________________________________________
The Wix 51307 should NOT be used in either a 455 or 403 as it has a bypass valve.
http://oilfilterdata.com/index.php?view=filter_info&model=51307
The oil filter adapter of the 455 and 403 has a bypass valve in it:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/455-2f-403-engine-oil-flow-path/p60140-oil-filter-base1.html
Nor should any other filter with a bypass valve; I learned that from presentations made by Dick Patterson.
The Fram PF25 does not have a bypass valve, however, before I used on I'd cut it open and see what the total area of the filter
element was.
Here's a link that shows a Wix 51049 filter element unfolded and stretched out;
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/455-2f-403-engine-oil-flow-path/p53487-wix-51049-element.html
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Bob Dunahugh
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 9:43 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: [GMCnet] Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot, and long.
Someone asked me today. What's the longest oil filter for our engines. These are the ones that I know. Two of the short ones that
I wouldn't use. Fram PH25, and WIX 51307are 3.5 inches long. WIX 51049 is 5 inches long. I'm sure that there are more brands that
are 5 inches long. Bob Dunahugh
_______________________________________________
Do, how about the Wix 51258? Been using that for a long time. IIRC it is the shorter version of the 51049.
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Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
Larry,
Agreed, the 51258 is a shorter version of the 51049; it is the same diameter so safe to assume that the length of the element is the
same, just not as "wide."
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:03 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot, and long.
Do, how about the Wix 51258? Been using that for a long time. IIRC it is the shorter version of the 51049.
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Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
Agreed, the 51258 is a shorter version of the 51049; it is the same diameter so safe to assume that the length of the element is the
same, just not as "wide."
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:03 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot, and long.
Do, how about the Wix 51258? Been using that for a long time. IIRC it is the shorter version of the 51049.
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Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
That's very strange, Mike. I'm using it on my '76 Palm Beach 455, with no
problem. I didn't check for starter clearance but I do know that it isn't
touching anything.
bdub
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From: Gmclist On Behalf Of Mike Hamm
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot,
and long.
I tried the wix 51049 and it was too long and would not fix because it hit
the starter.
problem. I didn't check for starter clearance but I do know that it isn't
touching anything.
bdub
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot,
and long.
I tried the wix 51049 and it was too long and would not fix because it hit
the starter.
Something seems strange. I also have a 1977 Kingsley with the 455 and use the Wix 51049 and it has plenty of clearance with the starter.
Are you using a non-stock starter?
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
>
> I tried the wix 51049 and it was too long and would not fix because it hit the starter.
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Are you using a non-stock starter?
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
>
> I tried the wix 51049 and it was too long and would not fix because it hit the starter.
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The starter is a rebuild. It looks like it would fit ok if I removed the starter for the filter. Needs maybe 1/4" or so more clearance. I don't
remember exactly where the interference was but did not fit.
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1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
remember exactly where the interference was but did not fit.
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1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
> I have been using a Purolator pureone PL25288 oil filter it is small 2.75" dia. X 4" long no bypass valve and filters to less than 5 microns.
> Just what I use fits and works.
I looked up that filter and the site I went to said that is a 25 micron not a 5 micron filter. I thought 5 micron was very small for oil.
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
> Just what I use fits and works.
I looked up that filter and the site I went to said that is a 25 micron not a 5 micron filter. I thought 5 micron was very small for oil.
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Mike,
I've never heard of an oil filter that filters down to 5 microns so I Googled the Purolator and here's what came up:
http://oilfilterdata.com/index.php?view=filter_info&model=PL25288
Note: Efficiency: 99.9% @ 20?
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Mike Hamm
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:39 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot, and long.
I have been using a Purolator pureone PL25288 oil filter it is small 2.75" dia. X 4" long no bypass valve and filters to less than 5
microns.
Just what I use fits and works.
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I've never heard of an oil filter that filters down to 5 microns so I Googled the Purolator and here's what came up:
http://oilfilterdata.com/index.php?view=filter_info&model=PL25288
Note: Efficiency: 99.9% @ 20?
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Mike Hamm
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:39 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Tid Bits. Engine oil filter lengths. There are shot, and long.
I have been using a Purolator pureone PL25288 oil filter it is small 2.75" dia. X 4" long no bypass valve and filters to less than 5
microns.
Just what I use fits and works.
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1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
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Thought that that was small myself but at:
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/purolator-one-oil-filter-pl25288
That is what it says.
May be a misprint.
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1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/purolator-one-oil-filter-pl25288
That is what it says.
May be a misprint.
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1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
I did find this if it matters at all:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1631963&page=1
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1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1631963&page=1
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1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
> I have been using a Purolator pureone PL25288 oil filter it is small 2.75" dia. X 4" long no bypass valve and filters to less than 5 microns.
> Just what I use fits and works.
The old flat VW engines had nothing but a window screen in the pickup. A little finer that the one in ours, and our engine all by-pass the filter at
some time, so I refuse to worry about the filter quality past its basic crud catching....
If you remember, I had a timing chain that was bad because the little hole go plugged with a piece of carbon at some point. I will put a strainer in
there, but I will stay with a good name oil filter only because I had a bad one break up on me (when you see filter paper in the outlet, that is a bad
filter).
Matt
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Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
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> Just what I use fits and works.
The old flat VW engines had nothing but a window screen in the pickup. A little finer that the one in ours, and our engine all by-pass the filter at
some time, so I refuse to worry about the filter quality past its basic crud catching....
If you remember, I had a timing chain that was bad because the little hole go plugged with a piece of carbon at some point. I will put a strainer in
there, but I will stay with a good name oil filter only because I had a bad one break up on me (when you see filter paper in the outlet, that is a bad
filter).
Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
> > I have been using a Purolator pureone PL25288 oil filter it is small 2.75" dia. X 4" long no bypass valve and filters to less than 5 microns.
> > Just what I use fits and works.
>
> The old flat VW engines had nothing but a window screen in the pickup. A little finer that the one in ours, and our engine all by-pass the filter
> at some time, so I refuse to worry about the filter quality past its basic crud catching....
> If you remember, I had a timing chain that was bad because the little hole go plugged with a piece of carbon at some point. I will put a strainer
> in there, but I will stay with a good name oil filter only because I had a bad one break up on me (when you see filter paper in the outlet, that is
> a bad filter).
>
> Matt
I've had several Vw air cooled and was always amazed at how much crud was on the clean out plate when I did an oil change.
The last Vw flat 4 I had was water cooled in a vanagon and that had an oil filter.
I had a filter in my Vw Touareg come apart. It has a replaceable element in the housing. The plastic ends came unglued from the media so no filtration
for some time.
--
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
> > Just what I use fits and works.
>
> The old flat VW engines had nothing but a window screen in the pickup. A little finer that the one in ours, and our engine all by-pass the filter
> at some time, so I refuse to worry about the filter quality past its basic crud catching....
> If you remember, I had a timing chain that was bad because the little hole go plugged with a piece of carbon at some point. I will put a strainer
> in there, but I will stay with a good name oil filter only because I had a bad one break up on me (when you see filter paper in the outlet, that is
> a bad filter).
>
> Matt
I've had several Vw air cooled and was always amazed at how much crud was on the clean out plate when I did an oil change.
The last Vw flat 4 I had was water cooled in a vanagon and that had an oil filter.
I had a filter in my Vw Touareg come apart. It has a replaceable element in the housing. The plastic ends came unglued from the media so no filtration
for some time.
--
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
