These GMC's can have odder from just being old. Or you bought one that the owner had covered over their smoking. We have apartment buildings, houses, and commercial/industrial warehouse rentals. So we've been down this road. An ionizer will REMOVE odder. It's an ozone generator. I found out about these from Serv Pro. The generators aren't intended for the general public. Do to the possibility of improper use. After you start one up. You must leave the area that's being treated. It has a timer. Generally 1 hour will do the job. Don't return for several hours. I'd suggest overnight at least. Or more. Then open windows. We have a small one for spaces under 1000 sq ft. Rammoth Model: 5000-OG About $80. On line. A GMC club could buy one to loan out to it's members. We used an ionizers for the final mouse small in the 78 Royale that I rebuilt 3 years ago. They small just like a lightning storm while working. $80 is cheep to solve a real odder problem for good. Bob Dunahugh
Tid Bit. Get RID of all types of odders. Not cover them over.
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Bob,
I was scratching my head trying to figure out what you meant by "odder".
I think you mean "odor" or "odour" as we spell it in Canuck land.
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Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
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My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
I was scratching my head trying to figure out what you meant by "odder".
I think you mean "odor" or "odour" as we spell it in Canuck land.
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Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
Bob is right on the ionizers -- they are wonderful. They are used routinely in the auto reconditioning industry, and do a great job. We have a small plastic one we use inside of a plastic cooler to remove the musty or smoke smells from old books and magazines, and also a heavy wood 'tabletop' model I found at a thrift shop for larger vehicles and the occasional use at home.
Two other things to try are enzymatic cleaners and chlorine dioxide odor bombs. The enzymatic cleaners use natural organic chemicals to break down organic compounds. We use a product called "Natures's Miracle" that is sold in pet stores to remove pet urine smells. It works great on sweat and body odors, smoke, and food odors on surfaces, fabrics and carpets. Spray it on and wait a day. The enzymes break down the odor-causing organics. It doesn't stain or anything, but takes out the smells very well. It's GREAT for mouse pee and dead mouse smells you might encounter in a coach.
The odor bombs are supposed to be great, and work in a similar manner to the ozone, but I haven't used them. I've heard great things though. Has anyone here tried them on a car or coach?
All three work by actually removing the smells (not just covering them up) and have no residual smell of their own.
-Dave
1978 Transmode near Pittsburgh
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These GMC's can have odder from just being old. Or you bought one that the owner had covered over their smoking. We have apartment buildings, houses, and commercial/industrial warehouse rentals. So we've been down this road. An ionizer will REMOVE odder. It's an ozone generator. I found out about these from Serv Pro. The generators aren't intended for the general public. Do to the possibility of improper use. After you start one up. You must leave the area that's being treated. It has a timer. Generally 1 hour will do the job. Don't return for several hours. I'd suggest overnight at least. Or more. Then open windows. We have a small one for spaces under 1000 sq ft. Rammoth Model: 5000-OG About $80. On line. A GMC club could buy one to loan out to it's members. We used an ionizers for the final mouse small in the 78 Royale that I rebuilt 3 years ago. They small just like a lightning storm while working. $80 is cheep to solve a real odder problem for good. Bob Dunahugh
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Two other things to try are enzymatic cleaners and chlorine dioxide odor bombs. The enzymatic cleaners use natural organic chemicals to break down organic compounds. We use a product called "Natures's Miracle" that is sold in pet stores to remove pet urine smells. It works great on sweat and body odors, smoke, and food odors on surfaces, fabrics and carpets. Spray it on and wait a day. The enzymes break down the odor-causing organics. It doesn't stain or anything, but takes out the smells very well. It's GREAT for mouse pee and dead mouse smells you might encounter in a coach.
The odor bombs are supposed to be great, and work in a similar manner to the ozone, but I haven't used them. I've heard great things though. Has anyone here tried them on a car or coach?
All three work by actually removing the smells (not just covering them up) and have no residual smell of their own.
-Dave
1978 Transmode near Pittsburgh
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Sent: Tue 12/11/2018 7:50 PM
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Subject: [GMCnet] Tid Bit. Get RID of all types of odders. Not cover them over.
These GMC's can have odder from just being old. Or you bought one that the owner had covered over their smoking. We have apartment buildings, houses, and commercial/industrial warehouse rentals. So we've been down this road. An ionizer will REMOVE odder. It's an ozone generator. I found out about these from Serv Pro. The generators aren't intended for the general public. Do to the possibility of improper use. After you start one up. You must leave the area that's being treated. It has a timer. Generally 1 hour will do the job. Don't return for several hours. I'd suggest overnight at least. Or more. Then open windows. We have a small one for spaces under 1000 sq ft. Rammoth Model: 5000-OG About $80. On line. A GMC club could buy one to loan out to it's members. We used an ionizers for the final mouse small in the 78 Royale that I rebuilt 3 years ago. They small just like a lightning storm while working. $80 is cheep to solve a real odder problem for good. Bob Dunahugh
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Ok, Here he goes again.....
Ozone is neat stuff.
If you listen to OSHA and the EPA, it is dangerous.
They say this for two reasons, one is that they do not know any better and anything that powerful just has to be bad. The other is that chemical
companies that do sell chlorine and other halogens would be out of business if people cleaning things knew that they could take in air (that is 20%
oxygen) add some energy and have an very effective amount of ozone to do what they need to do. Then, there is the issue that ozone has a hard time
creating toxic compounds. Halogens have no problem there.
When I was at Thetford, an associate was working on a small sewage treatment system that could completely treat the waste water flow from a small
residence (like a cottage in the woods) so that it could be surface discharged. It required no chemicals to be brought in, and had a operational life
of decades, but it did require a small amount of electricity for pumps and to convert air to about 3% ozone. While I was working with him, he twice
was subjected to what OSHA insisted was a "lethal" concentration of ozone and he had no ill effects after five minutes and only lived another twenty
years. It can damage lungs in those high concentrations, but because there is nothing involved but oxygen, (lungs know what to do with oxygen) the
damage done has been shown to be very fast healing and "scarless".
The thing to watch out for with ozone is that it will attack some materials. Styrenes, vinyls and some elastomers are among those. ABS, a plastic
that was used a lot in our coaches, is pretty resistant to it.
The whole time that my friend remained involved with the International Ozone Institute (most of rest of his life), he was battling the authorities for
less restriction of its use and more acceptance of its value.
Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
Ozone is neat stuff.
If you listen to OSHA and the EPA, it is dangerous.
They say this for two reasons, one is that they do not know any better and anything that powerful just has to be bad. The other is that chemical
companies that do sell chlorine and other halogens would be out of business if people cleaning things knew that they could take in air (that is 20%
oxygen) add some energy and have an very effective amount of ozone to do what they need to do. Then, there is the issue that ozone has a hard time
creating toxic compounds. Halogens have no problem there.
When I was at Thetford, an associate was working on a small sewage treatment system that could completely treat the waste water flow from a small
residence (like a cottage in the woods) so that it could be surface discharged. It required no chemicals to be brought in, and had a operational life
of decades, but it did require a small amount of electricity for pumps and to convert air to about 3% ozone. While I was working with him, he twice
was subjected to what OSHA insisted was a "lethal" concentration of ozone and he had no ill effects after five minutes and only lived another twenty
years. It can damage lungs in those high concentrations, but because there is nothing involved but oxygen, (lungs know what to do with oxygen) the
damage done has been shown to be very fast healing and "scarless".
The thing to watch out for with ozone is that it will attack some materials. Styrenes, vinyls and some elastomers are among those. ABS, a plastic
that was used a lot in our coaches, is pretty resistant to it.
The whole time that my friend remained involved with the International Ozone Institute (most of rest of his life), he was battling the authorities for
less restriction of its use and more acceptance of its value.
Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
Our Hospital has been utilizing UV sanitizers after isloation room cleaning for a couple of years. The rooms are blocked off and smell heavily of
ozone afterward. Im not sure if the ozone is generated intentionally or as a byproduct of the instense UV lights. It does also help with the smells.
The units are about 6 ' tall and look like some science fiction movie prop. Im sure they cost a small fortune.
A lot of staff has no idea what one is let alone smells like. I tell them its just the smell of dead germs.
Interestingly there are no warnings or MSDS data, but the rooms are closed off and ventlation resumed afterward.
If the Ozone was particularly hazardous Im pretty sure we would be getting more info on it.
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76 Glenbrook
ozone afterward. Im not sure if the ozone is generated intentionally or as a byproduct of the instense UV lights. It does also help with the smells.
The units are about 6 ' tall and look like some science fiction movie prop. Im sure they cost a small fortune.
A lot of staff has no idea what one is let alone smells like. I tell them its just the smell of dead germs.
Interestingly there are no warnings or MSDS data, but the rooms are closed off and ventlation resumed afterward.
If the Ozone was particularly hazardous Im pretty sure we would be getting more info on it.
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76 Glenbrook
Greetings from Southern California -
We've had various versions of this device in our home... Haven't had it for several years though.
Never really decided if it was beneficial or not. The place smelled just fine - but we seem to have had a slightly sticky film develop on our
vertical blinds (PVC). Never determined the source of that - could be just normal - donno.
https://www.ecoquest.co/products/Fresh-Air-3.1.html
Steve W
1973 23' Yellow
We've had various versions of this device in our home... Haven't had it for several years though.
Never really decided if it was beneficial or not. The place smelled just fine - but we seem to have had a slightly sticky film develop on our
vertical blinds (PVC). Never determined the source of that - could be just normal - donno.
https://www.ecoquest.co/products/Fresh-Air-3.1.html
Steve W
1973 23' Yellow
> Our Hospital has been utilizing UV sanitizers after isloation room cleaning for a couple of years. The rooms are blocked off and smell heavily of
> ozone afterward. Im not sure if the ozone is generated intentionally or as a byproduct of the instense UV lights. It does also help with the smells.
>
> The units are about 6 ' tall and look like some science fiction movie prop. Im sure they cost a small fortune.
> A lot of staff has no idea what ozone is let alone smells like. I tell them its just the smell of dead germs.
>
> Interestingly there are no warnings or MSDS data, but the rooms are closed off and ventlation resumed afterward.
> If the Ozone was particularly hazardous Im pretty sure we would be getting more info on it.
Chris,
You are right on.
If there aren't warnings all over it, either the ozone made them fall off or the Ozone Institute got someone to listen.
There are two ways to get oxygen to become ozone and one it with the correct wavelength of UV. There are a number of manufactures that produce these.
The other is corona discharge. The problem with that is that the heat in the corona can get a large portion to recombine as just plain O2.
Ozone is neat stuff.
Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
> ozone afterward. Im not sure if the ozone is generated intentionally or as a byproduct of the instense UV lights. It does also help with the smells.
>
> The units are about 6 ' tall and look like some science fiction movie prop. Im sure they cost a small fortune.
> A lot of staff has no idea what ozone is let alone smells like. I tell them its just the smell of dead germs.
>
> Interestingly there are no warnings or MSDS data, but the rooms are closed off and ventlation resumed afterward.
> If the Ozone was particularly hazardous Im pretty sure we would be getting more info on it.
Chris,
You are right on.
If there aren't warnings all over it, either the ozone made them fall off or the Ozone Institute got someone to listen.
There are two ways to get oxygen to become ozone and one it with the correct wavelength of UV. There are a number of manufactures that produce these.
The other is corona discharge. The problem with that is that the heat in the corona can get a large portion to recombine as just plain O2.
Ozone is neat stuff.
Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
Ozone is an Oxidizer as we see in our Air Filter side.
It works well, but not good for your lungs as O3 will oxidize the linings.
On our filter side we deal with application, but never in high
concentrations.
Use it to fix the problem, but continous use is not advisable.
> > Our Hospital has been utilizing UV sanitizers after isloation room
> cleaning for a couple of years. The rooms are blocked off and smell heavily
> of
> > ozone afterward. Im not sure if the ozone is generated intentionally or
> as a byproduct of the instense UV lights. It does also help with the smells.
> >
> > The units are about 6 ' tall and look like some science fiction movie
> prop. Im sure they cost a small fortune.
> > A lot of staff has no idea what ozone is let alone smells like. I tell
> them its just the smell of dead germs.
> >
> > Interestingly there are no warnings or MSDS data, but the rooms are
> closed off and ventlation resumed afterward.
> > If the Ozone was particularly hazardous Im pretty sure we would be
> getting more info on it.
>
> Chris,
>
> You are right on.
> If there aren't warnings all over it, either the ozone made them fall off
> or the Ozone Institute got someone to listen.
>
> There are two ways to get oxygen to become ozone and one it with the
> correct wavelength of UV. There are a number of manufactures that produce
> these.
> The other is corona discharge. The problem with that is that the heat in
> the corona can get a large portion to recombine as just plain O2.
>
> Ozone is neat stuff.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>
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It works well, but not good for your lungs as O3 will oxidize the linings.
On our filter side we deal with application, but never in high
concentrations.
Use it to fix the problem, but continous use is not advisable.
> > Our Hospital has been utilizing UV sanitizers after isloation room
> cleaning for a couple of years. The rooms are blocked off and smell heavily
> of
> > ozone afterward. Im not sure if the ozone is generated intentionally or
> as a byproduct of the instense UV lights. It does also help with the smells.
> >
> > The units are about 6 ' tall and look like some science fiction movie
> prop. Im sure they cost a small fortune.
> > A lot of staff has no idea what ozone is let alone smells like. I tell
> them its just the smell of dead germs.
> >
> > Interestingly there are no warnings or MSDS data, but the rooms are
> closed off and ventlation resumed afterward.
> > If the Ozone was particularly hazardous Im pretty sure we would be
> getting more info on it.
>
> Chris,
>
> You are right on.
> If there aren't warnings all over it, either the ozone made them fall off
> or the Ozone Institute got someone to listen.
>
> There are two ways to get oxygen to become ozone and one it with the
> correct wavelength of UV. There are a number of manufactures that produce
> these.
> The other is corona discharge. The problem with that is that the heat in
> the corona can get a large portion to recombine as just plain O2.
>
> Ozone is neat stuff.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>
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Works great. I'd just never use it in my vehicle. All vinyls, rubber and plastic will be rapidly broken down. Restora tion company treated friends
house contents in fire /smoke recovery. A year later the shoes all fell apart as soon as you tried to wear them, pick up a handbag and strap
disintegrates. Just think about all those HVAC vac lines and wire insulation behind the dash.
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John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
house contents in fire /smoke recovery. A year later the shoes all fell apart as soon as you tried to wear them, pick up a handbag and strap
disintegrates. Just think about all those HVAC vac lines and wire insulation behind the dash.
--
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
Search youtube " ozone cracking of rubber in real time". Then get back to me. (Thank you Richard)
I assume carbon black helps but how much?
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John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
I assume carbon black helps but how much?
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John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
