Thread Chaser

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Travis Sure would like to press it out like you say,But cant see any way to do
it. Thats why I put it on the net Thought someone maybe had been there
before. If you have GMC parts book look on page 14-2 and you can see spindle
and frame its mounted in. Spindle has to come out front ,but flange on
spindle is same size as flange its mounted in and see no way to get leverage on
spindle. Thought someone out there might know how. Right now I'm waiting on
brake parts from Gary Miller in Ore, I live in Wa State(address on Black list}
then I intend to take coach to a machine shop and see what they can do.
Might could use hot wrench on it but there must be A better way. Appreciate
and will consider all suggestions
Bill

> Bill, I've been following your plight and personally think you'd be ahead to
> remove the spindle. There shouldn't be a shortage of replacements available,
> since it is a rarely damaged part. I'd feel a lot more comfortable with good
> original threads on something so critical to your safety.
>
> I'm not familiar with how the spindle is held to the arm, but why can't you
> press it out without removing the arm? It would likely take a little
> thought, but I'd be surprised if it isn't relatively easy. I have a
> bench-top press made by Blackhawk that is essentially a Porta-Power with a
> frame around it. It isn't very heavy so I'd think you could stand it on edge
> and slip it over the end of the arm so as to press the spindle out and back
> in while the arm is still on the coach. This way you wouldn't have to fool
> with the pins, etc, and you wouldn't disturb your alignment.
>
> Where are you located? I would be more than happy to lend this to you
> (haven't used it in a couple of years!) if freight is at all practical. I am
> in Lubbock, Texas, about 300 miles due west of Dallas/Fort Worth. I also
> have a 4-ton Porta Power kit that you're welcome to, but I doubt if it would
> work for this as you'd have to figure out how to back up the arm.
>
> One of the list members mentioned the other day that everyone should have
> their home location in their signature lines...this is another good example
> of why.
>
> Let me know. I could ship it to you Monday. Or call me at 806 789 3005.
>
> Travis...in Lubbock, Texas hometown of Buddy Holly and not much else.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Satterfield
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Date: Saturday, August 21, 1999 10:02 AM
> Subject: Re: GMC: Thread Chaser+ GMC for sale
>
> >Rick If I can get right sized spindle die( which as far as I know may
> be
> >avail from snap on tool, w/ no dealer in this area, closest one in Id who
> doesnt
> >answer phone) I am sure I can clean up threads and install new nut( avail
> from
> >NAPA) The only problem I have with that is that there wont be enough
> meat on
> >threads to give the strength that it originally had. May have to pull
> off
> >suspension arms and have old spindle pressed out and new one installed if
> avail.
> >Personally don't see anything to press against to remove spindle but it
> says so
> >in book. Just hate to tear things up and ruin alignment if there is other
> way.
> >At least its home in garage and not on side of road.
> >Bill
> >

> >

> >>
> >> > the spindle is 27/32 20 thread and
> >> > since the threads are pretty well scuffed off I should be able to
> rethread
> >> w/
> >> >
> >> > 13/16. Does that sound logical?
> >>
> >> Bill,
> >> Talk about an oddball size! I hesitate to say "do it". What I would
> do
> >> is try rethreading it as described, thoroughly clean the threads with a
> wire
> >> wheel or similar, then inspect carefully. If in doubt, get it
> spray-welded
> >> and rethreaded, or replace it. It's not a real high-stress area, but it
> sure
> >> is critical!
> >>
> >> My .02.
> >>
> >> Rick Staples
> >> "75 Eleganza
> >> Louisville, CO
> >
> >
> >
 
Bill, did you see the suggestion someone made this morning (don't recall who
and I already deleted it) wherein the holes in the arm's boss are tapped and
a balancer puller is then used to press it out from behind? This sounds like
a great idea to me. Does the description make sense? If not, let me know and
I'll try to explain more clearly. But the concept is right on. You shouldn't
need a flame wrench and I'd hate to see you use one

Let me know if I can help.

Travis

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Satterfield
To: gmcmotorhome
Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: GMC: Thread Chaser

>Travis Sure would like to press it out like you say,But cant see any way
to do
>it. Thats why I put it on the net Thought someone maybe had been there
>before. If you have GMC parts book look on page 14-2 and you can see
spindle
>and frame its mounted in. Spindle has to come out front ,but flange on
>spindle is same size as flange its mounted in and see no way to get
leverage on
>spindle. Thought someone out there might know how. Right now I'm waiting
on
>brake parts from Gary Miller in Ore, I live in Wa State(address on Black
list}
>then I intend to take coach to a machine shop and see what they can do.
>Might could use hot wrench on it but there must be A better way.
Appreciate
>and will consider all suggestions
>Bill
>

>
>> Bill, I've been following your plight and personally think you'd be ahead
to
>> remove the spindle. There shouldn't be a shortage of replacements
available,
>> since it is a rarely damaged part. I'd feel a lot more comfortable with
good
>> original threads on something so critical to your safety.
>>
>> I'm not familiar with how the spindle is held to the arm, but why can't
you
>> press it out without removing the arm? It would likely take a little
>> thought, but I'd be surprised if it isn't relatively easy. I have a
>> bench-top press made by Blackhawk that is essentially a Porta-Power with
a
>> frame around it. It isn't very heavy so I'd think you could stand it on
edge
>> and slip it over the end of the arm so as to press the spindle out and
back
>> in while the arm is still on the coach. This way you wouldn't have to
fool
>> with the pins, etc, and you wouldn't disturb your alignment.
>>
>> Where are you located? I would be more than happy to lend this to you
>> (haven't used it in a couple of years!) if freight is at all practical. I
am
>> in Lubbock, Texas, about 300 miles due west of Dallas/Fort Worth. I also
>> have a 4-ton Porta Power kit that you're welcome to, but I doubt if it
would
>> work for this as you'd have to figure out how to back up the arm.
>>
>> One of the list members mentioned the other day that everyone should have
>> their home location in their signature lines...this is another good
example
>> of why.
>>
>> Let me know. I could ship it to you Monday. Or call me at 806 789 3005.
>>
>> Travis...in Lubbock, Texas hometown of Buddy Holly and not much else.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Satterfield
>> To: gmcmotorhome
>> Date: Saturday, August 21, 1999 10:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: GMC: Thread Chaser+ GMC for sale
>>
>> >Rick If I can get right sized spindle die( which as far as I know
may
>> be
>> >avail from snap on tool, w/ no dealer in this area, closest one in Id
who
>> doesnt
>> >answer phone) I am sure I can clean up threads and install new
ut( avail
>> from
>> >NAPA) The only problem I have with that is that there wont be enough
>> meat on
>> >threads to give the strength that it originally had. May have to pull
>> off
>> >suspension arms and have old spindle pressed out and new one installed
if
>> avail.
>> >Personally don't see anything to press against to remove spindle but it
>> says so
>> >in book. Just hate to tear things up and ruin alignment if there is
other
>> way.
>> >At least its home in garage and not on side of road.
>> >Bill
>> >

>> >

>> >>
>> >> > the spindle is 27/32 20 thread and
>> >> > since the threads are pretty well scuffed off I should be able to
>> rethread
>> >> w/
>> >> >
>> >> > 13/16. Does that sound logical?
>> >>
>> >> Bill,
>> >> Talk about an oddball size! I hesitate to say "do it". What I
would
>> do
>> >> is try rethreading it as described, thoroughly clean the threads with
a
>> wire
>> >> wheel or similar, then inspect carefully. If in doubt, get it
>> spray-welded
>> >> and rethreaded, or replace it. It's not a real high-stress area, but
it
>> sure
>> >> is critical!
>> >>
>> >> My .02.
>> >>
>> >> Rick Staples
>> >> "75 Eleganza
>> >> Louisville, CO
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
>
 
Travis Did see the post from Byron Sounds good to me After rereading the
part about tapping the holes diagonally am wondering what that means, but still
sounds good Will definately replace spindle with new one Some things you
can cobble up and some things you shouldn't I think this is the latter.
Bill

> Bill, did you see the suggestion someone made this morning (don't recall who
> and I already deleted it) wherein the holes in the arm's boss are tapped and
> a balancer puller is then used to press it out from behind? This sounds like
> a great idea to me. Does the description make sense? If not, let me know and
> I'll try to explain more clearly. But the concept is right on. You shouldn't
> need a flame wrench and I'd hate to see you use one
>
> Let me know if I can help.
>
> Travis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Satterfield
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 11:08 AM
> Subject: Re: GMC: Thread Chaser
>
> >Travis Sure would like to press it out like you say,But cant see any way
> to do
> >it. Thats why I put it on the net Thought someone maybe had been there
> >before. If you have GMC parts book look on page 14-2 and you can see
> spindle
> >and frame its mounted in. Spindle has to come out front ,but flange on
> >spindle is same size as flange its mounted in and see no way to get
> leverage on
> >spindle. Thought someone out there might know how. Right now I'm waiting
> on
> >brake parts from Gary Miller in Ore, I live in Wa State(address on Black
> list}
> >then I intend to take coach to a machine shop and see what they can do.
> >Might could use hot wrench on it but there must be A better way.
> Appreciate
> >and will consider all suggestions
> >Bill
> >

> >
> >> Bill, I've been following your plight and personally think you'd be ahead
> to
> >> remove the spindle. There shouldn't be a shortage of replacements
> available,
> >> since it is a rarely damaged part. I'd feel a lot more comfortable with
> good
> >> original threads on something so critical to your safety.
> >>
> >> I'm not familiar with how the spindle is held to the arm, but why can't
> you
> >> press it out without removing the arm? It would likely take a little
> >> thought, but I'd be surprised if it isn't relatively easy. I have a
> >> bench-top press made by Blackhawk that is essentially a Porta-Power with
> a
> >> frame around it. It isn't very heavy so I'd think you could stand it on
> edge
> >> and slip it over the end of the arm so as to press the spindle out and
> back
> >> in while the arm is still on the coach. This way you wouldn't have to
> fool
> >> with the pins, etc, and you wouldn't disturb your alignment.
> >>
> >> Where are you located? I would be more than happy to lend this to you
> >> (haven't used it in a couple of years!) if freight is at all practical. I
> am
> >> in Lubbock, Texas, about 300 miles due west of Dallas/Fort Worth. I also
> >> have a 4-ton Porta Power kit that you're welcome to, but I doubt if it
> would
> >> work for this as you'd have to figure out how to back up the arm.
> >>
> >> One of the list members mentioned the other day that everyone should have
> >> their home location in their signature lines...this is another good
> example
> >> of why.
> >>
> >> Let me know. I could ship it to you Monday. Or call me at 806 789 3005.
> >>
> >> Travis...in Lubbock, Texas hometown of Buddy Holly and not much else.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bill Satterfield
> >> To: gmcmotorhome
> >> Date: Saturday, August 21, 1999 10:02 AM
> >> Subject: Re: GMC: Thread Chaser+ GMC for sale
> >>
> >> >Rick If I can get right sized spindle die( which as far as I know
> may
> >> be
> >> >avail from snap on tool, w/ no dealer in this area, closest one in Id
> who
> >> doesnt
> >> >answer phone) I am sure I can clean up threads and install new
> ut( avail
> >> from
> >> >NAPA) The only problem I have with that is that there wont be enough
> >> meat on
> >> >threads to give the strength that it originally had. May have to pull
> >> off
> >> >suspension arms and have old spindle pressed out and new one installed
> if
> >> avail.
> >> >Personally don't see anything to press against to remove spindle but it
> >> says so
> >> >in book. Just hate to tear things up and ruin alignment if there is
> other
> >> way.
> >> >At least its home in garage and not on side of road.
> >> >Bill
> >> >

> >> >

> >> >>
> >> >> > the spindle is 27/32 20 thread and
> >> >> > since the threads are pretty well scuffed off I should be able to
> >> rethread
> >> >> w/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 13/16. Does that sound logical?
> >> >>
> >> >> Bill,
> >> >> Talk about an oddball size! I hesitate to say "do it". What I
> would
> >> do
> >> >> is try rethreading it as described, thoroughly clean the threads with
> a
> >> wire
> >> >> wheel or similar, then inspect carefully. If in doubt, get it
> >> spray-welded
> >> >> and rethreaded, or replace it. It's not a real high-stress area, but
> it
> >> sure
> >> >> is critical!
> >> >>
> >> >> My .02.
> >> >>
> >> >> Rick Staples
> >> >> "75 Eleganza
> >> >> Louisville, CO
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
 
>Travis Did see the post from Byron Sounds good to me After
rereading the
>part about tapping the holes diagonally am wondering what that means, ...

Something along the lines of "Tap the upper left hole and then tap the
lower right hole" should work.

Dave
73 Sequoia
 
Dave Yeah Took a while but finally sunk in. Now have everything apart in
shop with 927 puller installed with constant pressure and nothing shows any sign
of moving. I squirt WD 40 on it every once in a while and give a few good
licks with 2# hammer but to no avail. Now am considering looking for someone
with portable torch.
Bill

> >Travis Did see the post from Byron Sounds good to me After
> rereading the
> >part about tapping the holes diagonally am wondering what that means, ...
>
> Something along the lines of "Tap the upper left hole and then tap the
> lower right hole" should work.
>
> Dave
> 73 Sequoia
 
Bill:

Have you called someone like Buskirk-Rush, Jim Bounds, Cinnabar, Alex Sirum,
etc., to ask how to do it. Recommend you do before you add heat.

Paul Bartz

From: Bill Satterfield [mailto:bsnjs]
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: GMC: Thread Chaser

Dave Yeah Took a while but finally sunk in. Now have everything
apart in
shop with 927 puller installed with constant pressure and nothing shows any
sign
of moving. I squirt WD 40 on it every once in a while and give a few good
licks with 2# hammer but to no avail. Now am considering looking for
someone
with portable torch.
Bill

> >Travis Did see the post from Byron Sounds good to me After
> rereading the
> >part about tapping the holes diagonally am wondering what that means,
...
>
> Something along the lines of "Tap the upper left hole and then tap the
> lower right hole" should work.
 
>... Now am considering looking for someone
>with portable torch.

I would try using a propane torch first. You don't want to get it too hot
or you may alter the temper of the steel. Something I have tried
successfully is to put pressure on the puller, heat the outer part with the
torch and then place crushed ice in a wet rag and wrap the inner piece (the
spindle) to cool it off. The idea is you want to get the largest heat
differential you can between the two pieces. Cool on the spindle and hot
on the bogie arm.

I have never had to do this to a spindle but I have used this technique on
press-fit gears and it does work - sometimes :)

Dave
73 Sequoia
 
To all who have offered advise: Hooray My strategy paid off. Went out to
check spindle this morn and puller was hanging loose. could actually see crack
where spindle and mounting base joined. 30 min worth of work and had spindle
in hand. Have got call in to Dale Anderson whom I was told supplied spindle
and tool in the past but hav'nt made connection yet. Will enlarge my circle
of inquiry starting tomorrow. Sorry for taking up so much time on the net but
the only time I can post anything is when I have problems. Don't know enough
to answer questions and would probably insert foot in mouth if I tried.
Thanks to all.
Bill

> >... Now am considering looking for someone
> >with portable torch.
>
> I would try using a propane torch first. You don't want to get it too hot
> or you may alter the temper of the steel. Something I have tried
> successfully is to put pressure on the puller, heat the outer part with the
> torch and then place crushed ice in a wet rag and wrap the inner piece (the
> spindle) to cool it off. The idea is you want to get the largest heat
> differential you can between the two pieces. Cool on the spindle and hot
> on the bogie arm.
>
> I have never had to do this to a spindle but I have used this technique on
> press-fit gears and it does work - sometimes :)
>
> Dave
> 73 Sequoia
 
>
> Sorry for taking up so much time on the net but the only
> time I can post anything is when I have problems.
> Don't know enough to answer questions and would probably
> insert foot in mouth if I tried.

Bill,

No need to apologize. Your turn to share what you've learned will come in
due time. That's the way the 'net works.

Patrick
 
Scott Don't have the right kind of camera. Besides, Spindle sitting on
work bench and bogey arm in shed with 927 hanging off back of it.There are good
pics in maint manual. Right now looking for address for Lamey in Ontario
Bill

> In a message dated 8/24/99 1:04:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>
> > My strategy paid off. Went out to
> > check spindle this morn and puller was hanging loose. could actually see
> > crack
> > where spindle and mounting base joined.
>
> Hey Bill,
> Sounds great! I guess! Any possibility of getting some pictures of what
> those areas
> look like up close and personal? Lots of us have not been there and might be
> interested.
>
> Scott http://www.pituitary.com/ t=_self]PTNA Home Page[/url]
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Satterfield [mailto:bsnjs]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 2:36 PM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: Thread Chaser
>
> Right now looking for address for
> Lamey in Ontario

Gotta' phone number:

LAMEY ENTERPRISES Ontario, CA - (909) 983-7872(909) 982-7747
 
Bill

We all have had a begining, and a lot of us did not have the advantage or think
about the net. I thank the many people who put up with my many questions and w.a.
ideas. Sharing and help is what this is all about

Wayne Newland

> To all who have offered advise: Hooray My strategy paid off. Went out to
> check spindle this morn and puller was hanging loose. could actually see crack
> where spindle and mounting base joined. 30 min worth of work and had spindle
> in hand. Have got call in to Dale Anderson whom I was told supplied spindle
> and tool in the past but hav'nt made connection yet. Will enlarge my circle
> of inquiry starting tomorrow. Sorry for taking up so much time on the net but
> the only time I can post anything is when I have problems. Don't know enough
> to answer questions and would probably insert foot in mouth if I tried.
> Thanks to all.
> Bill
>

>

> > >... Now am considering looking for someone
> > >with portable torch.
> >
> > I would try using a propane torch first. You don't want to get it too hot
> > or you may alter the temper of the steel. Something I have tried
> > successfully is to put pressure on the puller, heat the outer part with the
> > torch and then place crushed ice in a wet rag and wrap the inner piece (the
> > spindle) to cool it off. The idea is you want to get the largest heat
> > differential you can between the two pieces. Cool on the spindle and hot
> > on the bogie arm.
> >
> > I have never had to do this to a spindle but I have used this technique on
> > press-fit gears and it does work - sometimes :)
> >
> > Dave
> > 73 Sequoia