Thermasan

>Coaches that were sold with Thermasans as an option are completely legal in
>all 50 states when equipped with a Thermasan unit (including a
>rebuild/replacement


tom's statement:

>The technology is very simple and can be easily implemented. >>The EPA would not only have a fit, but
you
>would be heavily fined if you are caught. I am not sure of the status of
the
>original thermasan units and the EPA?

I would think it is legal--however, I am sure tom will post his source &
hyperlink to substantiate his statement of fact.

Steve Clevenger
76 Transmode 230
Tulsa, OK.
 
> If one were to fabricate one's own home-brew Thermosan clone system, one
>might be technically violating the law, just as one would be violating the
>law by using non-stock timing settings, a Holley carburetor, headers without
>provision for intake air preheat, and a whole host of things we all do every
>day. If you do it yourself to your own vehicle, the Feds and most states
>allow quite a bit of leeway. Just don't ask a professional mechanic to bump
>your timing ahead of stock specs, he's not supposed to do it.
>
> The only sticky wicket involves manufacturing a system to be sold to
>others. In that case all the miles of red tape, testing, certification, ad
>nauseum, apply.

Fortunately there are no certifications required per EPA. The only sticky
issue is that some local ordinances may not permit their use. BUT, that's
for residences and not RVs. Electric toilets (incinerators) are currently
sold into the RV market, and they are not certified.

> According to a story posted in a few years back,
>the EPA's main concern with the system involved uncrupulous hazardous-waste
>haulers. These folks would equip a small tank truck with a Thermosan, and
>send some kid out to drive around the countryside burning up pesticides or
>dioxin or some such, which rather exceeded the capability of the Thermosan
>system. This was supposedly a major reason the EPA prevailed upon the makers
>to drop the system from production.

I spoke directly to the people who once made the Thermasan. Thermasan was
bought by Thetford. Thetford closed down the operation because of the
downturn in the RV market about 20 years ago I'm told. I asked a company PR
guy (who was one of the few folks around who knew anything about the
Thermasan) about the hazmat story. He laughed and said that the story was
repeated from time to time, but it wasn't true. The real story is much less
entertaining: Thetford needed to reduce expenses and Thermasan was one of
the lines that got cut.

> Another may involve some incompatibility
>with Oxygen sensors and/or catalytic convers, neither of which necessarily
>apply to my GMC. (I'm not sure whether it was ever actually "banned".

Not that I can find anywhere in the EPA archives. No rule making. Nothing.

>Anyone else KNOW?)

There's always a chance that it was barred. I would expect California to be
the sticky location. Nothing there.

Henry
 
If you do I will never follow you again..... I don't care how hot you say
it is, I don't want to breathe that stuff as steam, or as particulants.....
Give me diesel exhaust every time

gene

>Sounds too good to be true. Henry... can you tell us how much effort
>it might be to install on our coaches.
>al
>
gene fisher 76 PB/OR/CA
GMC MOTORHOME INFORMATION
mr.erf
http://www.california.com/~eagle/
 
I've computer searched 99% of all the known GMC publication other than the
maintenance and parts manuals and can only find 1 reference to the
Thermasan Disposal Unit.
- -------------------------------------------------------
GMCMI SPRING 1991 ISSUE 35

MOTORHOME FILTERS
A question was asked at a recent convention as to how many filters were on
a typical GMC motorhome. The audience came forth with quite a list, are
there any others?

........snip..........
Bathroom Vent Screen
Optional Thermasan Disposal Screens (3)
Generator Oil Filter
....snip.......
- --------------------------------------------------

For what it's worth

bdub

>I still think I remember reading an article from cinnabar about the
>thermasan unit being illegal now. As yet I have not been able to find it. It
>may be that it is covered under a DOT regulation and an EPA one. Just
>guessing at this point.
 
>Date: 13 Jun 2000 04:05:25 -0000
>From: tom warner
>Subject: Re: GMC: Thermasan
>Henry I am still checking too. It may be that the DOT has precedence here
>since it is an over the road vehicle. Since most large over the road trucks
>now have extensive living facilities built in, the thermasan if it were
>legal would seem to be a very popular option. Since to my knowledge none of
>them have it, it would be interesting to find out why.

OTR Trucks, for the most part, don't have restroom facilities, water tanks,
holding tanks, etc., due to weight/space constraints. Every pound of stuff
like that on the truck is a pound of revenue generating freight you can't
haul. The DOT regulates hours of service, vehicle inspection, carrier
conduct, leases, etc. They do not enforce any type of emissions laws. This
is done on the state level at inspection sticker time & in the case of
foreign countries like california, at the whim of the state inspectors. It
is usually done in the form of full throttle smoke tests. It's a revenue
thing. This is what I know from the trucking standpoint--they might be
making money on another front, too. I would think the EPA would be the
agency most closely involved with any Thermosan controversy.

Steve Clevenger
76 Transmode 230
Tulsa, OK.