The reality of cooling timing in keeping your engine cooled better under heavier load conditions.

Tom Pryor

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I am the person who championed the Mercedes Benz fan clutch improvement and
am posting this reply to both the following threads:

“Anyone install the Mercedes Benz Fan electrically controlled fan clutch…”

“Cooling Timing in keeping your engine cooled better”

We CHANGE many items on our coaches to yield a better Vintage RV
experience.

CHANGE can be “FICKLE”……….you can get the out come you want and some
additional unwanted outcomes.

Just to be clear, I came from a back round in Automotive Quality Assurance
and Bearing Quality Assurance. So I Don’t take Change lightly.

On the issue of Water pump reliability OEM, water pumps used on BOC
platforms (Buick, Olds, Cadillac) employed a ¾” shaft Ball/Ball
configuration and were the most robust in GM line. The BOC water pumps had
longest stick out from the face of the block, a whopping 6 inches. GM
packaged the largest cost effective bearings at the time in those designs,
the 3/4” shaft Ball/Ball design. Most others, including Chevrolet, used a
5/8” shaft and smaller rolling elements, Balls.

While working with Mercedes Benz Fans and trying to keep un wanted “FICKLE”
outcomes to bite us. I started investigating Bearings and todays
technologies. The period that these pumps were manufactured…… only
BALL/BALL ¾ “ were generally available……….I discovered that is no longer
true. Ball/Roller Bearings are now common but not always employed by
rebuilders due to cost.

CARDONE produces new Casting pumps for our 455/403 engines and has upgraded
to the more robust load carrying Ball/Roller *Bearing Design*

*CARDONE SELECT #5521118H………………just do it! *

*ALSO, It is a common practice at most good repair facilities to replace
thermostat, water pump and fan clutch if any are found to be defective or
timed out due to miles or age. JUST DO IT!*

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Regards,

Tom Pryor
4188 Limerick Dr
Lake Wales, Fl 33859
Cell 248 470 9186

Living on a waterfront is not a matter of life or death. Its more
important than that.
 
> I am the person who championed the Mercedes Benz fan clutch improvement and
> am posting this reply to both the following threads:
>
>
> CARDONE produces new Casting pumps for our 455/403 engines and has upgraded
> to the more robust load carrying Ball/Roller *Bearing Design*
>
> *CARDONE SELECT #5521118H..................just do it! *
>
>
>
> *ALSO, It is a common practice at most good repair facilities to replace
> thermostat, water pump and fan clutch if any are found to be defective or
> timed out due to miles or age. JUST DO IT!*
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Tom Pryor
> 4188 Limerick Dr
> Lake Wales, Fl 33859
> Cell 248 470 9186
>
> Living on a waterfront is not a matter of life or death. Its more
> important than that.
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Just an FYI - Rockauto - CARDONE SELECT #5521118H waterpump - $27.79

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Patti & Jerry Burt
73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
77 Palm Beach
Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS - Pacific Cruisers - 49ers
 
> I am the person who championed the Mercedes Benz fan clutch improvement and
> am posting this reply to both the following threads:
>
>
> CARDONE produces new Casting pumps for our 455/403 engines and has upgraded
> to the more robust load carrying Ball/Roller *Bearing Design*
>
> *CARDONE SELECT #5521118H..................just do it! *
>
>
> Just an FYI - Rockauto - CARDONE SELECT #5521118H waterpump - $27.79

Also you get a chance to win a 1966 Chevelle rebuilt with Mexican? Cardone parts.
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
I've always thought of Car-done as cheaper replacement parts and average to below average rebuilding where they are just running a betting game you
loose your receipt before it fails Maybe this is an exception. What impeller does this pump use??
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John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
 
Even betterm, Ken - buy yourself a new Silver Adoo - over 200,000 of them built in mexico last year:)

--johnny

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76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
Cardone is the rebuilder for almost everybody no matter what brand is on the box. In a few cases they also make 100% new products.

I looked for impeller size on that product and could not find it listed. By looking at the picture the impeller looks rather large. I always look at
the clearance between the end of the impeller and the edge of the casting. Less clearance equals larger impeller. They used the same casting for all
of the pumps and just changed the impeller size to meet their requirement. Small impellers were used on engines that did not have a thermostat bypass
(like ours does) to prevent cavitation do to lack of coolant flow when the thermostat was closed.

I looked on the list of engines and ours is listed with AC and a severe duty pump. I have not seen a pump including OEM ones listed as Severe Duty
before. I do not need a pump. If I did I would spend the $28.00 plus shipping and try one.
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana