Tankless HW Heaters

powwerjon

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A number of GMCers out there have chosen to install a tankless HW heater in their coaches. Some have chosen to use a low cost unit without many safety feature and are designed for outdoor use. That is a personal choice and I don’t care what units that are used, only that they are safe.

I recently installed a tankless unit in our storage building where our washer and gas dryer are located as the ParkModel Units in the park have only 19 gallon tanks storage capacity. It is a indoor unit LP with venting to the outside. Works great with endless HW.

Now that being said, there is an RV tankless On-Demand LP HWH designed for RV.

https://www.adventurerv.net/girard-tankless-water-heater-ondemand-gswh2-p-33093.html?utm_source=AdventureRV&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Specials_06_24_2020

It is more costly than some of the lower cost unit that have been installed, but RV’s GMC included do need safe units. These are actually a lesser price than a lot of current RV LP HWH.

No judgement, just what is available.

JR Wright
Michigan
 
It looks like you'd have to cut a hole in the side of your motorhome to accommodate this unit. If you have a non-GM upfitted coach that already has a
hole, that might be fine, but Most of us would be reluctant to cut in a water heater and ruin the clean lines of our coaches.
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That’s the unit we’ve been using for the last few years. I couldn’t imagine ever going back to the old tank system.. But I’m with Carl, I
would hate to cut a hole in the side to install it.. and then you would have to replumb the water lines. Sounds like a lot of work..
Scott
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Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera
installed MSD Atomic EFI
Houston, Texas
 
> That’s the unit we’ve been using for the last few years. I couldn’t imagine ever going back to the old tank system.. But I’m with Carl, I
> would hate to cut a hole in the side to install it.. and then you would have to replumb the water lines. Sounds like a lot of work..
> Scott

I suspect the opinions on cutting holes in the sides of the GMC will depend on weather you have a GM floorplan or one of the upfitters that installed
the typical water heaters. I will stick with the tank personally as it works fine for us.

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From what I have seen, most installs of the propane on demand HWH's is in the Refer ventilation shaft. Seems a big job to me, with removal of the
refer to install.

The GMC HWH is ok, and unique with the heating from the engine when you travel.
I have given some thought about an upcoming water system change and have considered small 120v ac hot water tankless demand units. They would fit
under the sinks.

Depends on what you want or demand, which ever works for you.
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Thank you for the info

Do you think this is roughly the same size as a modern tank heater? (2 POs ago they put in a 6 gal tank heater under the sink and removed the
furnace..)

I had to search to get some specs. it seems similar size. What does the brushless motor do? Pump water for mixing?

https://tweetys.com/girard-tankless-rv-water-heaters-to-replace-atwood-and-suburban.aspx?utm_term=&utm_campaign=&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_ver=3&hsa_kw=&hsa_cam=8889211665&hsa_acc=1425045090&hsa_tgt=pla-293946777986&hsa_ad=411419814410&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_grp=92623288954&hsa_src=u&hsa_mt=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8tao4N_H6gIVEtvACh0iUQNhEAQYASABEgJfV_D_BwE

One thing I've liked about the other units is you can squeeze them in the fridge cabinet. I'd love to get a furnace back in the buggy

-kelly
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Ah you seem to have a couple of interesting concerns.

First, the tankless water heaters will build up mineral deposits over use. Using park water that may be highly mineralized, would speed that process
up. The fix is you have to periodically use a chemical to remove or disolve the minerals from inside you tankless water heater. THE PROBLEM IS, the
minerals in the water will flow into the tankless water heaters tubes and are attracted to the heat. with each use, the mineral build up continues.
over time you will see less performance from the water heater because the minerals will insulate the water from the heat.

First thing to remember is most RV furnaces are ineffecient. I read an article where there were complaints about the fan never shutting down while in
a heating cycle. This generally happens because the air flow is restricted so the temperature in the coach never gets to a point where the heater
can shut down and the fan can time off.

There are different senarios to this problem but, I read somewhere, I believe it was here on GMCnet, that the air flow restriction is in the heaters
plenum. or where the heated air goes before it is routed through the coach ducting. Most cases the duct is small and the routing requires the air to
make a 90 degree turn before forced out through the ducts and into the coach.

One fellow mentioned a fix was to remove the cover to that plenum where the hot air would blow straight out from the plenum into the room. The room
would warm up, the thermostat would shut down, the fan would time out and shut down until heat is called for again.

The fan uses a good amount of power, and running all night will use all the power in your battery. The fan must have down time to help conserve the
battery power.

Many won't use the furnace for that reason. It can be a real watt buster and will stop working when you need it.

The alternative is to get a propane ventless heater. Many like them, some do not, it is the users decision if this is good for you.

The operation of using a propane ventless heater is always have ventilation, a window cracked open to allow fresh air in. Also have a Carbon monoxide
alarm working.
These heaters come with thermostats and CO cut offs if the carbon monoxide level should get too hi, but learn proper use and how to safely use them.

The amount of Propane used is less than that of the normal coach furnace because residual heat is not expelled out the exhaust vent.

If you are only a Camp Ground camper, pick up a nice safe electric heater and use it when you are parked and plugged in to park power. Very safe and
works well.

My old RV had a heater in the roof Air Con unit. It is said to be just for chasing the chill in the rv. I spent the night in a campground when the
temp outside got down to about 32 degrees. That roof AC heater kept the coach warm, around 70 degrees. I actually added a thermostat to that heater
because it could actually get too warm inside.

slc

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Be VERY careful when using an electric heater in the coaches, the wiring can be damaged by using heavy loads. You can use the 750 watt size electric heater, no problem.

>
>
> Ah you seem to have a couple of interesting concerns.
>
> First, the tankless water heaters will build up mineral deposits over use. Using park water that may be highly mineralized, would speed that process
> up. The fix is you have to periodically use a chemical to remove or disolve the minerals from inside you tankless water heater. THE PROBLEM IS, the
> minerals in the water will flow into the tankless water heaters tubes and are attracted to the heat. with each use, the mineral build up continues.
> over time you will see less performance from the water heater because the minerals will insulate the water from the heat.
>
> First thing to remember is most RV furnaces are ineffecient. I read an article where there were complaints about the fan never shutting down while in
> a heating cycle. This generally happens because the air flow is restricted so the temperature in the coach never gets to a point where the heater
> can shut down and the fan can time off.
>
> There are different senarios to this problem but, I read somewhere, I believe it was here on GMCnet, that the air flow restriction is in the heaters
> plenum. or where the heated air goes before it is routed through the coach ducting. Most cases the duct is small and the routing requires the air to
> make a 90 degree turn before forced out through the ducts and into the coach.
>
> One fellow mentioned a fix was to remove the cover to that plenum where the hot air would blow straight out from the plenum into the room. The room
> would warm up, the thermostat would shut down, the fan would time out and shut down until heat is called for again.
>
> The fan uses a good amount of power, and running all night will use all the power in your battery. The fan must have down time to help conserve the
> battery power.
>
>
> Many won't use the furnace for that reason. It can be a real watt buster and will stop working when you need it.
>
> The alternative is to get a propane ventless heater. Many like them, some do not, it is the users decision if this is good for you.
>
> The operation of using a propane ventless heater is always have ventilation, a window cracked open to allow fresh air in. Also have a Carbon monoxide
> alarm working.
> These heaters come with thermostats and CO cut offs if the carbon monoxide level should get too hi, but learn proper use and how to safely use them.
>
> The amount of Propane used is less than that of the normal coach furnace because residual heat is not expelled out the exhaust vent.
>
> If you are only a Camp Ground camper, pick up a nice safe electric heater and use it when you are parked and plugged in to park power. Very safe and
> works well.
>
> My old RV had a heater in the roof Air Con unit. It is said to be just for chasing the chill in the rv. I spent the night in a campground when the
> temp outside got down to about 32 degrees. That roof AC heater kept the coach warm, around 70 degrees. I actually added a thermostat to that heater
> because it could actually get too warm inside.
>
> slc
>
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The fan is controlled by a heat sensor in the heat exchanger. When the heat exchanger cools down (and the gas valve is not energized), then the fan
shuts off. The propane gas valve is controlled by the thermostat. If someone has a fan running all the time they need to fix their furnace.
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