Striping Prep

randy1

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The ongoing project of removing layers and layers of old striping is coming to an end. Because I'm down to the base. Even with using a graphics removing wheel, alot of adhesive remained. I tried putting some new vinyl over a small area with adhesive remnants and it looked lousy, so I've spent a day with laquer thinner rubbing the adhesive, but it won't budge. The glue laughs at Goo Gone and 3-M adhesive remover. So the laquer thinner softens up the paint to the point where I can very carefully scrape it away with a razor blade. Then I'm down to a grey primer with a greenish coat mixed in which seems to be part of the adhesive. There are white spots which must be the plastic itself.

Look up this process in the dictionary under "tedious".

So now that I may be getting close to a smooth base on which to apply new vinyl, do I need to put down anything on the bare plastic? Is it like wallpaper where a "sizing" type material is used for the vinyl to attach and maybe be easier to remove next time, or doesn't it matter?
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1973 26' Painted Desert
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> So now that I may be getting close to a smooth base on which to apply new vinyl, do I need to put down anything on the bare plastic? Is it like wallpaper where a "sizing" type material is used for the vinyl to attach and maybe be easier to remove next time, or doesn't it matter?


In trying to remove it - you were working against the rules of nature! Instead you should have bought products that were designed to preserve it. I have found in life - that if you landscape your front yard with rocks, then grass will grow. If you plant grass - it will die. Fertilize your yard and it dies - try to kill it and it will grow like crazy

:twisted:

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I believe that the green color might actually be the primer that GM
used over the metal.

>
>
> The ongoing project of removing layers and layers of old striping is
> coming to an end. Because I'm down to the base. Even with using a
> graphics removing wheel, alot of adhesive remained. I tried putting
> some new vinyl over a small area with adhesive remnants and it
> looked lousy, so I've spent a day with laquer thinner rubbing the
> adhesive, but it won't budge. The glue laughs at Goo Gone and 3-M
> adhesive remover. So the laquer thinner softens up the paint to the
> point where I can very carefully scrape it away with a razor blade.
> Then I'm down to a grey primer with a greenish coat mixed in which
> seems to be part of the adhesive. There are white spots which must
> be the plastic itself.
>
> Look up this process in the dictionary under "tedious".
>
> So now that I may be getting close to a smooth base on which to
> apply new vinyl, do I need to put down anything on the bare plastic?
> Is it like wallpaper where a "sizing" type material is used for the
> vinyl to attach and maybe be easier to remove next time, or doesn't
> it matter?
> --
> Randy
> 1973 26' Painted Desert
> Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
>
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Emery Stora
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Santa Fe, NM

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>
>
> I'm at the area beneath the front windows and it's white plastic
> here, just like the front cap. Does the metal start behind the
> cockpit?
> --
> Randy
> 1973 26' Painted Desert
> Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ


Aluminum was used for the side panels above the beltline trim between
the front just behind the driver's sliding window and just in front of
the seam behind the rear side windows. The roof is also aluminum in
the center section.

The front cap, the rear cap, the front, the rear and the sides below
the belt line are fiberglass (SMC - sheet molded composite.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM



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> The ongoing project of removing layers and layers of old striping is coming to an end. Because I'm down to the base. Even with using a graphics removing wheel, alot of adhesive remained. I tried putting some new vinyl over a small area with adhesive remnants and it looked lousy, so I've spent a day with laquer thinner rubbing the adhesive, but it won't budge. The glue laughs at Goo Gone and 3-M adhesive remover. So the laquer thinner softens up the paint to the point where I can very carefully scrape it away with a razor blade. Then I'm down to a grey primer with a greenish coat mixed in which seems to be part of the adhesive. There are white spots which must be the plastic itself.
>
> Look up this process in the dictionary under "tedious".
>
> So now that I may be getting close to a smooth base on which to apply new vinyl, do I need to put down anything on the bare plastic? Is it like wallpaper where a "sizing" type material is used for the vinyl to attach and maybe be easier to remove next time, or doesn't it matter?


Didn't someone here talk about a 3M "adhesive eraser", power driven, for stripe removal. Or am I imagining things again. I don't always read the posts carefully when I am not going to do the same job.

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Hi,
Did you try WD-40?

Thanks,

Gary and Joanne Worobec
Anza, CA
1973 23' Glacier

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Allen"
To: "gmclist"
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:01 AM
Subject: Re:[gmclist] Striping Prep

>
>

>> The ongoing project of removing layers and layers of old striping is
>> coming to an end. Because I'm down to the base. Even with using a
>> graphics removing wheel, alot of adhesive remained. I tried putting some
>> new vinyl over a small area with adhesive remnants and it looked lousy,
>> so I've spent a day with laquer thinner rubbing the adhesive, but it
>> won't budge. The glue laughs at Goo Gone and 3-M adhesive remover. So the
>> laquer thinner softens up the paint to the point where I can very
>> carefully scrape it away with a razor blade.

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I tried heat, 3M wheel, lacquer thinner, goo gone, 3M adhesive remover, and a razor blade (gently).

And the winner is.....

ACETONE. At least it began to dissolve more of the left over adhesive than anything else. When I get another day off, I'll try it again. I think I'll end up shooting a primer coat and then shooting just a little of a matching color to the strip on the gas door hinge, and then lay the stripes.

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1973 26' Painted Desert
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Yup - acetone. I discovered this here. My coach sat outside for 15 yrs in storage. I used it sparingly over the entire exterior, occasionally took the paint down to the green, turned a horrible looking finish to halfway decent. Also took the brown color out of the glenbrook stripe but so what. Then some compounding and waxing brought it back even better, but it still looks like crap compared to well maintained original coaches.

Paint. I'm torn. Around here forget it, everybody wants huge dollars. I'm 3k miles from Mexico. I am actually thinking of taking the work on myself slowly over a period of even a year, take it down to base with chemicals and use hand cans of primer every couple square feet to get it to the point where I can take it somewhere just to get shot, or even try to spray it myself outside on a really calm day after a rain shower for minimal dust. Has anybody ever painted in sections? I would imagine that would somehow introduce variations. Fresh paint would be great but dropping 6 to 8k for it seems absurd until you admit to yourself how much effort goes into prep.
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Rusty
75 Glenbrook
Philadelphia Pa

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Is your paint original? If so, try a little Meguires Fine Cut Cleaner with a buffer on a foam pad, fairly low speed. Follow that with some wax and see what you think. You might be surprised. If you've got some thin parts be creative with some vinyl stripes. I'd do only a small area, because if you wax the whole thing, that's just one more thing that's gotta come off before you paint.

The prep could be done with a orbital sander in an area far away from where you think you might spray. I'd go pretty much down to the original grey primer so that when you spray, you don't get the paint too thick and have it crack. Hitting it with rattle cans of primer probably isn't necessary since it won't rust and all that stuff too will have to come off before you paint it.

I'd rent an HVLP sprayer and shoot an epoxy primer followed by a surfacer sanded smooth and then a base coat. All these dry pretty quick and are fairly easy to fix if you get dust in them. Then be ready to do a coat of clear which too can be color sanded afterwards if you get some dust in it. Then grab the buffer again and buff it and you'll have a pretty nice paint job.


Make sure you have plenty of ventilation with catalyzed paints as they are deadly toxic and it's not a matter of coughing them up. They poison your blood and you can't get rid of it before it kills you. I know one guy who died needlessly because you failed to use proper breathing equipment in a paint booth.

Doing the roof would be the toughest thing I would imagine since you have to get up high and out far at the same time.


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Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ

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Rusty,

There is a great Paint shop in Indiana that does excellent work on
GMC's Our coach was painted in 2002. Call Topeka Graphics, inc.
Larry Bontranger 260 593-2009.

http://homepage.mac.com/powwerjon/PhotoAlbum3.html

J.R. Wright
GMC GreatLaker
77 Eleganza Custom
1975 Avion Under Reconstruction
Michigan

>
> Paint. I'm torn. Around here forget it, everybody wants huge
> dollars. I'm 3k miles from Mexico. I am actually thinking of taking
> the work on myself slowly over a period of even a year, take it
> down to base with chemicals and use hand cans of primer every
> couple square feet to get it to the point where I can take it
> somewhere just to get shot, or even try to spray it myself outside
> on a really calm day after a rain shower for minimal dust. Has
> anybody ever painted in sections? I would imagine that would
> somehow introduce variations. Fresh paint would be great but
> dropping 6 to 8k for it seems absurd until you admit to yourself
> how much effort goes into prep.
> --
> Rusty
> 75 Glenbrook
> Philadelphia Pa
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> Rusty,
>
> There is a great Paint shop in Indiana that does excellent work on
> GMC's Our coach was painted in 2002. Call Topeka Graphics, inc.
> Larry Bontranger 260 593-2009.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/powwerjon/PhotoAlbum3.html
>
> J.R. Wright
> GMC GreatLaker
> 77 Eleganza Custom
> 1975 Avion Under Reconstruction
> Michigan

That is exactly who I was going to recommend but you beat me to it. He has done many GMC coaches at a reasonable price and sure a heck of a lot closer than Mexico. Also they speak English there.
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76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

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>
> Yup - acetone. I discovered this here. My coach sat outside for 15 yrs in storage. I used it sparingly over the entire exterior, occasionally took the paint down to the green, turned a horrible looking finish to halfway decent. Also took the brown color out of the glenbrook stripe but so what. Then some compounding and waxing brought it back even better, but it still looks like crap compared to well maintained original coaches.
>
> Paint. I'm torn. Around here forget it, everybody wants huge dollars. I'm 3k miles from Mexico. I am actually thinking of taking the work on myself slowly over a period of even a year, take it down to base with chemicals and use hand cans of primer every couple square feet to get it to the point where I can take it somewhere just to get shot, or even try to spray it myself outside on a really calm day after a rain shower for minimal dust. Has anybody ever painted in sections? I would imagine that would somehow introduce variations. Fresh paint would be great but dropping 6 to 8k for it seems absurd until you admit to yourself how much effort goes into prep.

Randy,

Save your pennies and bear with the current look rather than succumbing
to the temptation to put on a bunch of mess that you'll be unhappy with
and have to remove for a decent replacement.

It's not that far from PA to Topeka, IN where you can get an excellent
paint job for a reasonable price from Topeka Graphics. Mine 5 years ago
was about #150 of the GMC's they've done. They've done thousands of
RVs, so they do know how. I'm sure their prices are rising along with
everything else, but probably still around $4000 for a 3-color job in
base/clear coat.

JWID,

Ken H.

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Cool, thanx, I now recollect Topeka being discussed. Maybe I will call them today. Geez, another expense in the current economic conditions dictating lower coach value. Then add 800 bucks or so to trip out to Indiana and back. Good thing I am so dedicated to this addiction. She'll be pissed though if I put the coach finish before the kitchen finish.
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If you can get a good polyurethane paint job on a GMC for 4k, I'd jump on it. The materials for a DIY job will run you at the very least half of that. When I was shopping for a place to paint my '55 one shop wanted 10K to start.

Naah!
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1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ

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Ventilation may help the quality of the paint job but no amount of
ventilation will bypass the need for proper safety equipment when using
catalyzed automotive paints. A high-end respirator with charcoal
canisters and particulate filters is the absolute minimum requirement. I
strongly prefer a SAS - supplied air system - unit that gives you fresh
air collected from outside the area where you are spraying. Because I'm
an occasional user, I purchased a moderate-cost unit that operates off
of standard compressed air. I tend to sweat a lot so I chose the full
hood option. Air flows over my head to help cool it and, if a nasty drop
of perspiration falls off my face, it ends up inside the hood and not on
my paint job.

When you decide what brand of paint to use, download all the technical
sheets on the products. They will give you lots of detail on things like
mixing ratios and proper technique. For example, I use mostly PPG
products. With them, you can not sand the base coat before applying the
clear. You can repair problems but you must reapply the color then do
the clear over the as-sprayed color. Paint chemistry has gotten very
complex but the published information makes it pretty easy for most
people to understand. You don't need a degree in chemical engineering to
properly use the stuff.

I'd suggest buying your own spray gun. Something like the Sharpe Finex
line is a moderate investment and you'll know its history. If you get
one from the rental store, you never know what has been run through it,
how well it was cleaned, or how it has been treated (well, you can
almost assume it has been abused). You can rent a compressor if needed.

Big Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy [mailto:Acrosport2]=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 5:24 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re:[gmclist] Striping Prep

Is your paint original? If so, try a little Meguires Fine Cut Cleaner
with a buffer on a foam pad, fairly low speed. Follow that with some wax
and see what you think. You might be surprised. If you've got some thin
parts be creative with some vinyl stripes. I'd do only a small area,
because if you wax the whole thing, that's just one more thing that's
gotta come off before you paint.=20

The prep could be done with a orbital sander in an area far away from
where you think you might spray. I'd go pretty much down to the original
grey primer so that when you spray, you don't get the paint too thick
and have it crack. Hitting it with rattle cans of primer probably isn't
necessary since it won't rust and all that stuff too will have to come
off before you paint it.=20

I'd rent an HVLP sprayer and shoot an epoxy primer followed by a
surfacer sanded smooth and then a base coat. All these dry pretty quick
and are fairly easy to fix if you get dust in them. Then be ready to do
a coat of clear which too can be color sanded afterwards if you get some
dust in it. Then grab the buffer again and buff it and you'll have a
pretty nice paint job.=20

Make sure you have plenty of ventilation with catalyzed paints as they
are deadly toxic and it's not a matter of coughing them up. They poison
your blood and you can't get rid of it before it kills you. I know one
guy who died needlessly because you failed to use proper breathing
equipment in a paint booth.=20

Doing the roof would be the toughest thing I would imagine since you
have to get up high and out far at the same time.=20

--=20
Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ

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> Cool, thanx, I now recollect Topeka being discussed. Maybe I will call them today. Geez, another expense in the current economic conditions dictating lower coach value. Then add 800 bucks or so to trip out to Indiana and back. Good thing I am so dedicated to this addiction. She'll be pissed though if I put the coach finish before the kitchen finish.



I will second the idea of getting Topeka Graphics to do the paint job. Mine was one of the early GMC paint jobs (about 10 years ago) and still looks like new. It has 4 different colors and the stripes are painted on, not decals. When I look at the stripes, I still can't believe how true they are to the coach around curved edges. The price is right and they do an excellent job.
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