Steering Slop

MikeB

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Dec 24, 2018
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Hey y’all. My steering column and steering line are relatively new and very solid. All the slack that’s there down to the suspension Is in the
box. Is there a rule of thumb or measurable acceptable tolerance of slack for the box? I’m trying to determine if it’s time to RR the steering
box. I don’t have any GMCMH near by to compare.

Thanks for any guidance.
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M Beam
75’ Avion
TBI EBL , 3.70 LSD and other stuff
Zuki Sidekick,
Dozier Al
 
Start with "0" tolerance. Any input shaft movement, should immediately
result in pitman arm motion. If you stack up 1/8" movement on every point
throughout the steering system from driver to tire, it is going to be a
wanderer. Ball joints, tie rods, crossing link (both ends), pitman joint,
the bolt that holds the steering shaft, all the stuff in the column, etc.
You get the picture. No movement or (slop) is best. Hard to get, too.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

> Hey y’all. My steering column and steering line are relatively new and
> very solid. All the slack that’s there down to the suspension Is in the
> box. Is there a rule of thumb or measurable acceptable tolerance of slack
> for the box? I’m trying to determine if it’s time to RR the steering
> box. I don’t have any GMCMH near by to compare.
>
> Thanks for any guidance.
> --
> M Beam
> 75’ Avion
> TBI EBL , 3.70 LSD and other stuff
> Zuki Sidekick,
> Dozier Al
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Have a helper wiggle the wheel back and forth through the throw of the slop
and work your way down through the steering system until you find the
culprit(s). If it is the steering box AND it makes you uncomfortable then
have the box rebuilt. Redhead steering in Seattle would be my choice. Avoid
a pre remanufactured box. Have yours rebuilt.

Sully
Bellevue wa

> Hey y’all. My steering column and steering line are relatively new and
> very solid. All the slack that’s there down to the suspension Is in the
> box. Is there a rule of thumb or measurable acceptable tolerance of slack
> for the box? I’m trying to determine if it’s time to RR the steering
> box. I don’t have any GMCMH near by to compare.
>
> Thanks for any guidance.
> --
> M Beam
> 75’ Avion
> TBI EBL , 3.70 LSD and other stuff
> Zuki Sidekick,
> Dozier Al
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Maintenance manual has a good write up on the tolerances. Usually on
higher mileage boxes the area where the spool rides is grooved beyond
usage.

> Have a helper wiggle the wheel back and forth through the throw of the slop
> and work your way down through the steering system until you find the
> culprit(s). If it is the steering box AND it makes you uncomfortable then
> have the box rebuilt. Redhead steering in Seattle would be my choice. Avoid
> a pre remanufactured box. Have yours rebuilt.
>
> Sully
> Bellevue wa
>

>
> > Hey y’all. My steering column and steering line are relatively new and
> > very solid. All the slack that’s there down to the suspension Is in the
> > box. Is there a rule of thumb or measurable acceptable tolerance of slack
> > for the box? I’m trying to determine if it’s time to RR the steering
> > box. I don’t have any GMCMH near by to compare.
> >
> > Thanks for any guidance.
> > --
> > M Beam
> > 75’ Avion
> > TBI EBL , 3.70 LSD and other stuff
> > Zuki Sidekick,
> > Dozier Al
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> >
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Bruce Hart
1976 Palm Beach
Milliken, Co
GMC=Got More Class
 
Dave Lenzi does a fantastic job on steering box rebuilds. He is the one I went to.
Scott.
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Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera
installed MSD Atomic EFI
Houston, Texas
 
> Hey y’all. My steering column and steering line are relatively new and very solid. All the slack that’s there down to the suspension Is in the
> box. Is there a rule of thumb or measurable acceptable tolerance of slack for the box? I’m trying to determine if it’s time to RR the steering
> box. I don’t have any GMCMH near by to compare.
>
> Thanks for any guidance.

Mike,

We see this a while lot and the usual reason is that someone didn't read the manual. (RTFM!!) The steering box for a TZE is a strange bird because it
is preloaded at the center. If the box is not on DEAD CENTER the steering is loose. This is all in the manual X7525. The picture you have to see is
on page 9-39 Figure 64. You should start by popping up the horn button and look for the chisel mark on the top of the steering shaft. If it is not
straight ahead when the wheel is straight ahead, there is your problem.

I am going to lay out what has worked for me and hope I don't miss a step.

Get the front tires off the ground and spin the steering wheel lock to lock and count the turns.
Bring it back half the turns and look at the chisel mark. If it is straight ahead, you may be well off, but check things first.

If it is not continue by removing the grill if you can. Look at figure 64 and not that there is a flat on the steering shaft that should alight with
the machined surface of the box. You may have to loosen the pinch bolt on that cardin (U) joint to see the flat. The pinch bolt is NOT on the
flat!! That alignment should be at straight ahead. If the wheel and chisel mark don't agree, start there and make them. This will also make the
lock work better.

If the flat is aligned, have someone move the wheel a little each way and you keep a hold on the pitman arm and that cardin joint. If one moves
without the other, your need a steering box. The one in the coach is an all around strange part. It has that high center and it has internal stops.
Don't get one at a parts house, get one from a known good GMC supplier.

If the steering box is good, keep doing the shake and find out what is loose. There are lots of opportunities for it to be. Check everything.

If the box is good, things can still be bad all the way from there to the wheel. Check them all. If it is good from the wheel to the pitman arm, it
can be tie rod ends or ball joints.

If that stuff is right, then the toe is probably off. This is where the problem usually started. Someone got the front end aligned and shop set the
tow-in at just one tie rod. Then they moved the steering wheel so it was straight ahead. Big Bozo NoNo on a TZE.

Matt
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Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
Sully, I did that exact test. Steering line was rock solid. Slop is in the box.

Thanks all for the input. I was leaning towards replacement but wanted to make sure I wasnt going to waste money by putting lipstick on a pig.

Thanks!

How do I contact Mr. Lenzi?
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M Beam
75’ Avion
TBI EBL , 3.70 LSD and other stuff
Zuki Sidekick,
Dozier Al
 
Thank you Matt for taking the time for that write up. I have the Mueller pdf Steering Gear Highpoint pdf. I was planning on using it before spending
any money in case I had other parts needing repair. I wasn’t aware though that the box being out of alignment actually could cause slack. I thought
it only caused the box to fight you by trying to center itself. It’ll be nice if centering it removes the box slack.
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M Beam
75’ Avion
TBI EBL , 3.70 LSD and other stuff
Zuki Sidekick,
Dozier Al
 
One thing that no one mentioned is the slip joint on the shaft just below the steering CV joint. It only takes a few thousands play to cause your
problem. The shaft in that joint is coated with a blue plastic coating that wears if POs did not keep it greased properly. I have seen many of them
worn there. It should have ZERO rotational play in it.
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
Also if the gearbox is offcenter, there will be a slop.
If interested to learn how to locate exact center , call me and we will
send over the information .
Majority of the time, it is not the gear box, but that it was mispositioned
at one time.

> One thing that no one mentioned is the slip joint on the shaft just below
> the steering CV joint. It only takes a few thousands play to cause your
> problem. The shaft in that joint is coated with a blue plastic coating
> that wears if POs did not keep it greased properly. I have seen many of
> them
> worn there. It should have ZERO rotational play in it.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.gmcrvparts.com
1-800-752-7502
 
For the box slop test (after confirming on center) you don’t even need a helper. Idling, grab the lower part of the intermediate shaft and rock a
few degrees back and forth. You should see no delay of movement on the Pitman.
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John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II