Sidekick as a Toad

the hamiltons

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Arch,

We have towed a 89 soft top Suzuki Sidekick, automatic, 4WD a half dozen
times or about 2000 miles only. No problems. It tows well and it barely
affects the coaches power or braking.

Trackers are Sidekicks sold by GM dealers. Buy your Sidekick parts from
GM. They're cheaper.

Al Hamilton
76 Eleganza II
Kingston, Ont
 
>
> Trackers are Sidekicks sold by GM dealers. Buy your Sidekick parts from
> GM. They're cheaper.

Al, aren't the Trackers sold in Canada under the GMC nameplate? In the
US, they were Geos until last year when they were changed to
Chevrolets.

Always thought it would be neat to have a little GMC to pull behind my
GMC.

Patrick
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Patrick Flowers
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We also tow an old Suzuki Sidekick with our GMC. I don't have the
manual but understood it was about 2100-2200 lbs. It is a 1988
model which were much smaller and it is a hardtop.

It tows great. We have a 78 GMC with a 403 and were worried about
weight. Hardly know its there.

It's not much more than a tin can with wheels. Would hate to get
hit by much more than a tricycle.

Mike Finnicum
78 GMC Eleganza II
74 GMC 28 Stretch
Naples, FL

>> AL
>>
>> Thanks for the info. Can you tell me what yours weighs? The one I am
>> looking at comes in at 2700 pounds. To many toys on it I guess.
>> Has anybody found a good 2000 pound car to tow?
>>
>> Take Care
>> Arch
>> >
>> > We have towed a 89 soft top Suzuki Sidekick, automatic,
>> 4WD a half dozen
>> > times or about 2000 miles only. No problems. It tows well
>> and it barely
>> > affects the coaches power or braking.
>> >
>> > Trackers are Sidekicks sold by GM dealers. Buy your
>> Sidekick parts from
>> > GM. They're cheaper.
>> >
>> > Al Hamilton
>> >
 
Patrick,

The Pontiac, Buick, & GMC Truck dealers sold GMC Trackers for the
first few years - sometime about 1993 all Trackers became Geos in Canada. A
GMC Tracker painted to match your coach and called Lil' Eleganza, Palm
Beach, or whatever would be a great combination!

Arch,

Our Sidekick weighs under 1000 kilograms, sorry :-), somewhere over
2000 lbs. I'll check the registration when it gets home and be more exact.
By the way, the two wheel drive automatic Sidekick cannot be towed all
four down, at least the 1989 to 91s can't - I have no information on later
years. The owners manual is very good showing which model can be towed and
how.

Al Hamilton
76 Eleganza II
Kingston, Ont
 
>AL
>
>Thanks for the info. Can you tell me what yours weighs? The one I am
>looking at comes in at 2700 pounds. To many toys on it I guess.
>Has anybody found a good 2000 pound car to tow?
>
>Take Care
>Arch
>>
How about a 2,360 lb Saturn. Just bought a 99 SW 2 to replace my '97 SW
2. Great tow car with enough stowage to bring the weight up........?

>>
>

David Lee Greenberg
GMC Motorhome Registry
200 MacFarlane Dr PH4N
Delray Beach, FL 33483-6829
561/243-0402
 
Arch,

Our 10,000 pound trailer is pretty heavy :). The triple axles and brakes
on each axle might make a difference though when comparing it to a toad. I
don't think a toad would put any tongue weight on the hitch either which
might make for an interesting ride. Our rig was more difficult to handle
when we took out the car from the front of the trailer and tried to use it
with only one car in the middle/back of the trailer.

Zak

>Someone out there must tow something that heavy. HELP I AM
>in love. IS SHE TO FAT?
>
>Take Care
>Arch 76 GB IL
 
The weights for a fully equipped Sidekick, 4WD, auto, air conditioned,
power steering, etc, are soft top - 2400 lbs, 2-door hard top - 2500 lbs,
4-door hard top - 2800 lbs. The owners manual shows only 4WDs being towed
all wheels on the ground.

Al Hamilton
76 Eleganza II
Kingston, Ont
 
Arch,

The real key to towing something is how well the rig handles and how well
it stops. Unfortunately, you won't really know either until you actually
try a combination yourself or know someone else that has. It seems that
adding braking capability to the toad is a critical part. Many "smallish"
vehicles (Subaru Outback, Chevy S-10 Blazer, etc.) today are rated for
towing 1000-2000 pounds as long as the thing being towed has its own
brakes. It seems as if these vehicles are commonly rated for towing about
1/4 to 1/3 of their own weight. This is a percentage that you should beat
even with a 3000 pound toad. As long as it handles good and you can get it
stopped in about the same distance with the toad on as with the toad off, I
don't think the weight really comes into play. As we found out with our
trailer, weight is not the most important factor. The weight balance is.
It was much more dangerous to drive after taking out 2500-3000 pounds than
it was with the weight because the handling suffered. The gas mileage also
didn't improve (the original reason we took the car and its supports out
for the trip).

On your other comment, I think it is pretty funny how the term "stock"
stays in racing even though the cars are not even close to what you can
buy. In NHRA we have Pro Stock. How many 500 cubic inch powered "stock"
cars are available at your local dealers? I haven't found any by me :). I
also love all the RWD "stock" cars that are derived from FWD street cars.
At least the NHRA sportsman classes of Stock and Super Stock are a little
more strict in what they allow to be changed. Super Stock still lets you
convert a FWD to RWD though. As to the dirt, I thought the good drivers
were the ones that could keep it on the track and out of the dirt :). I
know I'd be pretty upset if our cars went into the sand trap at the end of
the track all the time :).

Zak

>Zak
>
>I keep thinking about your 10,000 pound trailer when someone says
>my little toad at 2700 pounds is to heavy. BTW only built one drag
>machine in my shop. The rest were machines for the ovals. My first
>stock car was a 49 Ford flat head. The stuff they do today on asphalt
>is not stock car racing. Men drive on dirt.
>
>Take Care
>Arch
 
Arch:

Towed my Audi 100 couple of times to Florida via HWY I-75 with a Car-Caddy
and had no problems. I believe the car weighs in about 2800 lbs and
Car-Caddy about 400. Didn't allow the coach to labor in the Tenn and KY
moutains. When it reaches 45 MPH I shifted down to second. I don't do any
Indy 500 when towing or even when not towing. Just drive and enjoy the
comfort. Ever notice when you are driving between 50-60 the same cares pass
you 3-4 times during the day. I drive around 55-60 at the most. So why
push it on the road.
Continue to watch my tranny temperture. Have changed to Mobil 1 tranny oil
and my temperature went down. I have a large tranny cooler made from a
condensor auto air conditioner. Fits perfect in front of the radiator.
Took my time so in the event I had to remove it--it would take about 15-20
minutes.

I don't see any problems with the 2100 lbs. Tow at a moderate speed and
watch your temps. Keep checking your tranny oil and if it starts to
discolor change it. I have installed a temp probe plus a drain plug in my
tranny pan.
You hear all kinds of excellent constructive tips on this net. I believe
preventative maintenance pays off always--those individuals who reply are
just keeping up the maintenance on their coach. Someone will always say
you are working on your motorhome again!! Yes, I tell them I can jump in
at anytime and go cross country with no problems.

By the way when you do tow you car make a checklist to insure that the
transmission is in "N". I had an Audi 4 Speed. Did my hookup at night and
the walk around in the morning. Did this numereous times and of course one
day I did my hookup in the morning and was in a hurry. Didn't do my
checklist and forgot that I left the gearshift in REVERSE. Drove out of
the driveway and it seemed odd the way the coach was handling--kinda of a
jerky motion. Went about a 1/2 block and my son said "sounds like the car
engine is racing. Sure enough checked it was in reverse so put it in
neutral and completed the trip to Buskirk's for front end work. (Bearings
and ball joint replacement).

Guess what--when I got to Buskirk's I unhooked the car and tried to start
the engine and it won't start. Checked the distributor for rotation and it
didn't move. What happened I knocked off about 10 lobes on the cam shaft
belt towing the car forward with the tranny in reverse.

Being involved with aircraft I should know better--the importance of
checklists which you never rush. If you do--- it always get you in trouble.

Bob
77PB (403 engine)

>Mike
>
>Thanks for the reply. It seems like they have gained weight over the years.
>I went looking for one because the new Motorhome Dingy report
>said they weighed 2100 pounds. Found one, fell in love. Now I find
>out she weighs 2700 pounds. Dont know what to do.
>
>Someone out there must tow something that heavy. HELP I AM
>in love. IS SHE TO FAT?
>
>Take Care
>Arch 76 GB IL
>
>> We also tow an old Suzuki Sidekick with our GMC. I don't have the
>> manual but understood it was about 2100-2200 lbs. It is a 1988
>> model which were much smaller and it is a hardtop.
>>
>
>
 
Arch,

The weights are curb weights listed in a 1993 Owners manual and are the
same in our 1989 manual except no 4-door hard top. Automatics are towed in
"park" with the transfer case in "neutral". I have never had it weighted. I
would have thought it was lighter than 2400 lbs until you look underneath.
It has a full frame, full width front differential, transfer case, etc.

It still is hardly noticeable behind the GMC. With your new disc brakes
you shouldn't have trouble stopping that much weight either!

Al Hamilton
76 Eleganza II
Kingston, Ont
 
Arch,

I started off looking at Sidekicks/Trackers, but ended up buying a Jeep
Cherokee. Weight is around 3200 lbs, but the Motorhome dinghy table
said 2900. Found out that is the weight for a 2WD model. I like the
downsized Cherokee(XJ) because it has a little more interior room and
you can pick up most parts at NAPA. Also, the 4 litre inline 6 cyl. has
a surprising amount of power. Haven't towed it yet, but I noticed
several at Marion. Also, don't have to mess with locking hubs or
stopping every 200 miles to run the engine. Just hook up, put the
transfer case in neutral and go.

As far as weight, I made a 3,000 mile trip towing an Olds Delta 88 on a
dolly with brakes several years back. That was with my fathers Eleganza
and I didn't notice much difference - although his coach wiggles so bad
it probably couldn't make it much worse. He often makes trips towing
a FWD Cadillac Seville on the dolly.

Lighter is probably better, but if you use some common sense(which is
getting increasingly uncommon these days) I think you'll get along fine.

Patrick
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