Should I or Shouldn't I?

Ken H.

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OK, Y'all,

Give me so help here!

Met a brand new GMC owner a couple of months ago. He'd just bought a 76
Eleganza II, which had been sitting for at least 2 years, at an absurdly low
price. Here are some of the details on it:

90k+ miles. Started life in Connecticutt so it's got lots frame rust; side
rails need replacement but ends clips seem solid. Body in good shape except
for a small propane door crack, one 2" dia. impact ding, and galvanic
corrosion above the stainless steel beltline molding. ZipDee awning in
very good condition (probably 3 years old). 16.5" steel wheels with 5+ year
old General LRE tires. Both windshields cracked. All windows in sad shape.
Large pod, reportedly containing good screen room for awning (all snaps in
place on the body). OEM ladder & railing. Bumpers pretty rusty.

Interior looks BAD at first -- headliner has been "stuccoed" -- yep, that's
a pretty accurate description. But only a little of that mess got on the
cabinets which are in excellent condition. Upholstery sad except for the
two Flexsteel captain's chairs behind the passenger seat which are an ugly
dark brown in excellent condition. Original bunk/sofa behind the driver.
Stove probably never been lit. Original refrigerator looks very nice --
reportedly was working when parked but not now. Nice formica counter top in
kitchen. Bath module has very nice appearance with no signs of damage or
missing doors, etc. Cabinets, dining table, etc in rear bed/dining room all
good.

New 13,500 air conditioner & Fantastic fan (both a/o 2 years ago). Dash in
excellent condition with added tach, air horns, CB, Halon engine fire
suppression system, removeable face radio/cassette, etc., etc. Driver &
passenger seats good original condition. Amazingly, the thing doesn't seem
to be leaking anywhere, even from the decrepit windows!

The engine is clean except for rusty valve covers, etc. Headers installed
since run very much. Both mufflers rusted out and "bandaged". 2.5
tailpipe. Engine runs good (on the gas found in the tank), except for a bad
miss on at least one engine -- no compression check has been done. Has
in-line glass filter in front of carb -- frightening!

New owner had it towed home, jacked up front end, removed front wheels,
installed new master cylinder (not even bled yet), battery and front KYB
shocks, and engaged transmission to see that the wheels turn. Then he came
to our Dixielanders rally. Seeing how far he's got to go to get up to the
"norm", he's decided he wants to buy a ready-to-use GMC and give up this
project.

Now the $64,000 question: should I buy it for a very low price (which still
gives him 100+% profit)? I really don't have much time or inclination to
tackle such a restoration now, especially since it's not the floor plan we
prefer. I could easily recover the cost by parting it out -- or even just
keeping it for my own spares cannibalization. But it's too good for that --
I hate to see it lost. I can arrange covered storage for it at no cost.
But I'd have the hassle of moving it about 50 miles -- to a location 85
miles from my home base.

What do y'all think I should do?

Ken Henderson
76 X-Birchaven
Colquitt, GA
 
>Now the $64,000 question: should I buy it for a very low price (which still
>gives him 100+% profit)?

Well that's how I ended up with the second coach...

If you decide to do it, I know where there are decent (but not great) side
rails for a 26 footer ;>

Henry
 
Ken

If the price is right It should be purchased and stored.Every thing
described is routine repair replacements except the Frame.Try for the bottom
dollar price.

To bring the coach up to where most owners would want will easily cost
$25,000 for parts plus labor,as you well know.Then the Frame replacement on
top of that.Later on the exterior refinished.

The new owner should be a young person mechanically inclined eager to
restore the GMC over a comfortable length of time.

The owner is making the right choice of looking for a coach that has been
maintained.A coach purchased for less than $25,000.

You could sell raffle tickets to find the new owner.

Glad the coach is where I can not easily get a hold of it. {:>)

Lawrence Gaskins
West Union Wv
1973 Painted Desert

http://www.PictureTrail.com/GMCLawrence

>From: "Ken Henderson"
>Reply-To: gmcmotorhome
>To:
>Subject: GMC: Should I or Shouldn't I?
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:52:15 -0500
>
>OK, Y'all,
>
>Give me so help here!
>
>Met a brand new GMC owner a couple of months ago. He'd just bought a 76
>Eleganza II, which had been sitting for at least 2 years, at an absurdly
>low
>price. ------ Snip-- I could easily recover the cost by parting
>it out -- or even just
>keeping it for my own spares cannibalization. But it's too good for that
>--
>I hate to see it lost. I can arrange covered storage for it at no cost.
>But I'd have the hassle of moving it about 50 miles -- to a location 85
>miles from my home base.
>
>What do y'all think I should do?
>
>Ken Henderson
>76 X-Birchaven
>Colquitt, GA

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On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:52:15 -0500 "Ken Henderson"

> OK, Y'all,
>
> Give me so help here!
>
snip............
>
> What do y'all think I should do?
>
> Ken Henderson
> 76 X-Birchaven
> Colquitt, GA
>
First, get the TZE number, Ken. Tho't I brung you up better!

David Lee Greenberg F 22009
Port St Lucie, FL
GMC Motorhome Registry "Dedicated To The Preservation of The Classic
GMC!"
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Ken,
You asked; "What do y'all think I should do?" I started to tell you
to get your head examined but then I thought; No! Don't do that; he needs your
help. You answered your own question when you stated,
" I really don't have much time or inclination to tackle such a restoration now,
especially since it's not the floor plan we prefer." I know it is hard to pass
something like this up. I have two coaches for just that reason.
This is kind of like a stray puppy. When you find him, he is so cute
he is hard to pass up. Later when you have 2 or 3 or maybe even 5 or 6 they are
no longer so cute they are a pain in the ass. I think you should pass on this.
If you don't then you need to go and get your head examined.

Charles Wersal
Duncanville, Texas
1975 Glenbrook
"Pandora's Box"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Henderson"
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:52 AM
Subject: GMC: Should I or Shouldn't I?

> OK, Y'all,
>
> Give me so help here!
>
> Met a brand new GMC owner a couple of months ago. He'd just bought a 76
> Eleganza II, which had been sitting for at least 2 years, at an absurdly low
> price. Here are some of the details on it:
>
> 90k+ miles. Started life in Connecticutt so it's got lots frame rust; side
> rails need replacement but ends clips seem solid. Body in good shape except
> for a small propane door crack, one 2" dia. impact ding, and galvanic
> corrosion above the stainless steel beltline molding. ZipDee awning in
> very good condition (probably 3 years old). 16.5" steel wheels with 5+ year
> old General LRE tires. Both windshields cracked. All windows in sad shape.
> Large pod, reportedly containing good screen room for awning (all snaps in
> place on the body). OEM ladder & railing. Bumpers pretty rusty.
>
> Interior looks BAD at first -- headliner has been "stuccoed" -- yep, that's
> a pretty accurate description. But only a little of that mess got on the
> cabinets which are in excellent condition. Upholstery sad except for the
> two Flexsteel captain's chairs behind the passenger seat which are an ugly
> dark brown in excellent condition. Original bunk/sofa behind the driver.
> Stove probably never been lit. Original refrigerator looks very nice --
> reportedly was working when parked but not now. Nice formica counter top in
> kitchen. Bath module has very nice appearance with no signs of damage or
> missing doors, etc. Cabinets, dining table, etc in rear bed/dining room all
> good.
>
> New 13,500 air conditioner & Fantastic fan (both a/o 2 years ago). Dash in
> excellent condition with added tach, air horns, CB, Halon engine fire
> suppression system, removeable face radio/cassette, etc., etc. Driver &
> passenger seats good original condition. Amazingly, the thing doesn't seem
> to be leaking anywhere, even from the decrepit windows!
>
> The engine is clean except for rusty valve covers, etc. Headers installed
> since run very much. Both mufflers rusted out and "bandaged". 2.5
> tailpipe. Engine runs good (on the gas found in the tank), except for a bad
> miss on at least one engine -- no compression check has been done. Has
> in-line glass filter in front of carb -- frightening!
>
> New owner had it towed home, jacked up front end, removed front wheels,
> installed new master cylinder (not even bled yet), battery and front KYB
> shocks, and engaged transmission to see that the wheels turn. Then he came
> to our Dixielanders rally. Seeing how far he's got to go to get up to the
> "norm", he's decided he wants to buy a ready-to-use GMC and give up this
> project.
>
> Now the $64,000 question: should I buy it for a very low price (which still
> gives him 100+% profit)? I really don't have much time or inclination to
> tackle such a restoration now, especially since it's not the floor plan we
> prefer. I could easily recover the cost by parting it out -- or even just
> keeping it for my own spares cannibalization. But it's too good for that --
> I hate to see it lost. I can arrange covered storage for it at no cost.
> But I'd have the hassle of moving it about 50 miles -- to a location 85
> miles from my home base.
>
> What do y'all think I should do?
>
> Ken Henderson
> 76 X-Birchaven
> Colquitt, GA
>
>
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Dave,

> First, get the TZE number, Ken. Tho't I brung you up better!

I think I gave it to you already -- 166V100173 IIRC. If you don't have
that, I'll verify.

Ken
 
> JR: Forget it unless you have a lot of money and no use for it.

> Henry: Well that's how I ended up with the second coach...

> Lawrence: Glad the coach is where I can not easily get a hold of it.

> Manny: I got mine free. ...Once everyone gets what they want, I still
have to get rid of the rest...

> Charles: I think you should pass on this. If you don't then you need to
go and get your head examined.

BUT IT HAS A BIRCH SCREEN DOOR! (which I hated when I had one, by the way)
:-)

Ken
 
"I hate to see it lost. "

Ken, I think this sums it up pretty well. Too many coaches are turning into
cannibalized and doomed coaches. Someone, somewhere, sometime, will want
that coach and bring it back to life.

Storage free, that helps right away. Fifty mile towing, find a gooooood
friend. {:>)

In short, save the future while you can, if you can.
The next buyer may be your local scrap dealer and it's gone forever.

Roger
 
Well, all of the wonderful advice that I got to walk away from the 26'
convinced me: I just had to buy it!

Have only talked to the owner's answering machine yet, but it's a done deal.
He's got to get the clear title in hand -- a mere formality -- then I'll get
it running just enough to drive it 50 miles to my aunt's farm 9 mi. north of
Plains, GA. Then I'll see if I can get Jimmy Carter to come up and help me
get it in shape to use -- he's very good with his hands, you know! Builds
really nice rustic furniture. Probably won't be able to get started till he
comes back from Oslo though, will we? :-)

What I'll probably do is get it running well enough to give someone a
reasonable chance of driving it a few hundred miles safely, clean it up a
little (throw the trash out, in other words), and pass it on to someone who
really wants to do a ground-up restoration. I've already got first and
second refusal agreements.

Wish me luck. I'll report how the 50 mile drive goes.

Ken Henderson
76 X-Birchaven
Colquitt, GA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles"
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:38 AM
Subject: GMC: Re: Should I or Shouldn't I?

> Ken,
> You asked; "What do y'all think I should do?" I started to tell you
> to get your head examined but then I thought; No! Don't do that; he needs
your
> help. You answered your own question when you stated,
> " I really don't have much time or inclination to tackle such a
restoration now,
> especially since it's not the floor plan we prefer." I know it is hard to
pass
> something like this up. I have two coaches for just that reason.
> This is kind of like a stray puppy. When you find him, he is so cute
> he is hard to pass up. Later when you have 2 or 3 or maybe even 5 or 6
they are
> no longer so cute they are a pain in the ass. I think you should pass on
this.
> If you don't then you need to go and get your head examined.
>
> Charles Wersal
> Duncanville, Texas
> 1975 Glenbrook
> "Pandora's Box"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Henderson"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:52 AM
> Subject: GMC: Should I or Shouldn't I?
>
>
> > OK, Y'all,
> >
> > Give me so help here!
> >
> > Met a brand new GMC owner a couple of months ago. He'd just bought a 76
> > Eleganza II, which had been sitting for at least 2 years, at an absurdly
low
> > price. Here are some of the details on it:
> >
> > 90k+ miles. Started life in Connecticutt so it's got lots frame rust;
side
> > rails need replacement but ends clips seem solid. Body in good shape
except
> > for a small propane door crack, one 2" dia. impact ding, and galvanic
> > corrosion above the stainless steel beltline molding. ZipDee awning in
> > very good condition (probably 3 years old). 16.5" steel wheels with 5+
year
> > old General LRE tires. Both windshields cracked. All windows in sad
shape.
> > Large pod, reportedly containing good screen room for awning (all snaps
in
> > place on the body). OEM ladder & railing. Bumpers pretty rusty.
> >
> > Interior looks BAD at first -- headliner has been "stuccoed" -- yep,
that's
> > a pretty accurate description. But only a little of that mess got on
the
> > cabinets which are in excellent condition. Upholstery sad except for
the
> > two Flexsteel captain's chairs behind the passenger seat which are an
ugly
> > dark brown in excellent condition. Original bunk/sofa behind the
driver.
> > Stove probably never been lit. Original refrigerator looks very nice --
> > reportedly was working when parked but not now. Nice formica counter
top in
> > kitchen. Bath module has very nice appearance with no signs of damage
or
> > missing doors, etc. Cabinets, dining table, etc in rear bed/dining room
all
> > good.
> >
> > New 13,500 air conditioner & Fantastic fan (both a/o 2 years ago). Dash
in
> > excellent condition with added tach, air horns, CB, Halon engine fire
> > suppression system, removeable face radio/cassette, etc., etc. Driver &
> > passenger seats good original condition. Amazingly, the thing doesn't
seem
> > to be leaking anywhere, even from the decrepit windows!
> >
> > The engine is clean except for rusty valve covers, etc. Headers
installed
> > since run very much. Both mufflers rusted out and "bandaged". 2.5
> > tailpipe. Engine runs good (on the gas found in the tank), except for a
bad
> > miss on at least one engine -- no compression check has been done. Has
> > in-line glass filter in front of carb -- frightening!
> >
> > New owner had it towed home, jacked up front end, removed front wheels,
> > installed new master cylinder (not even bled yet), battery and front KYB
> > shocks, and engaged transmission to see that the wheels turn. Then he
came
> > to our Dixielanders rally. Seeing how far he's got to go to get up to
the
> > "norm", he's decided he wants to buy a ready-to-use GMC and give up this
> > project.
> >
> > Now the $64,000 question: should I buy it for a very low price (which
still
> > gives him 100+% profit)? I really don't have much time or inclination
to
> > tackle such a restoration now, especially since it's not the floor plan
we
> > prefer. I could easily recover the cost by parting it out -- or even
just
> > keeping it for my own spares cannibalization. But it's too good for
that --
> > I hate to see it lost. I can arrange covered storage for it at no cost.
> > But I'd have the hassle of moving it about 50 miles -- to a location 85
> > miles from my home base.
> >
> > What do y'all think I should do?
> >
> > Ken Henderson
> > 76 X-Birchaven
> > Colquitt, GA
> >
> >
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Ken,
Congrats on picking up a second GMC! Since Jimmy Carter is a neighbor,
maybe you can figure a way to qualify the GMC for "Habitat for Humanity"
and have it refurbed. :^ )
Al Scott
75 PB
Franklin, LA
 
Al,

> maybe you can figure a way to qualify the GMC for "Habitat for Humanity"
> and have it refurbed. :^ )

Now there's an idea! Habitat's achieved goal was to eliminate all
sub-standard housing in Sumter County, GA by the end of CY2000. I don't
know whether they're committed to maintaining that status or not. If so,
I'll only have to move the GMC about a mile to get into Sumter County &
qualify! Wonder if they'll let me leave at night? :-)

Ken