Rust and Repair

chuck will

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There is a product called POR 15, it is a liquid rust repairer. I don't
know much about it but it works. You paint it on the rusted area and it
turns the rust into usable metal oxide. You can paint over it or leave
it the black color it is. You can read about it in most hot rod
magazines. I've seen some pretty badly rusted parts restored this way.
Chuck
 
A product I recommended when first accessing this board. There is now a
better product however and I have included the URL for Bill Hirschs site as
well as the one for the paint. Hope it helps.

Bill Hirsch Restoration Products: http://hirschauto.com/

http://hirschauto.com/miracle.htm



THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT BILL HIRSCH'S MIRACLE PAINT-
PLEASE NOTE- THIS INFORMATION SUPERCEDES THE INFORMATION ON CAN LABEL
NOTE: BEFORE PROCEEDING, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE CORRECT MIRACLE PAINT. BLACK
IS RECOMMENDED WHERE YOU INTEND TO LEAVE THE FINISHED COLOR BLACK. SILVER IS
RECOMMENDED AS A PRIMER OR WHERE YOU INTEND TO TOPCOAT WITH ANOTHER COLOR.
CLEAR SHOULD BE USED ON CONCRETE, UNGLAZED TILE, WOOD, & NON-FERROUS METALS.
IF CLEAR IS USED ON FERROUS METALS IT SHOULD BE TOPCOATED AFTERWARDS.
1. BILL HIRSCH BLACK OR SILVER MIRACLE PAINT STOPS RUST DEAD IN ITS TRACKS.
IT IS A PERMANENT CURE FOR RUST. IT WILL STOP RUST FOREVER WHEN APPLIED
PROPERLY. IT IS DESIGNED TO BE PAINTED DIRECTLY OVER RUSTED AREAS WITHOUT
THE NEED TO REMOVE ALL THE RUST. SCRAPE AWAY LOOSE OR SCALING RUST, BUT
LEAVE THE SURFACE TO BE PAINTED, A BIT ON THE ROUGH SIDE, AS THIS WILL MAKE
THE MIRACLE PAINT ADHERE BETTER. HOWEVER, IF YOU PREFER TO REMOVE THE RUST
FIRST, ORDER BILL HIRSCH'S RUST REMOVER AND METAL PREP WHICH WILL NOT ONLY
REMOVE THE RUST, BUT WILL LEAVE A GRAY ZINC PHOSPHATE COATING ON THE METAL
AND PROVIDE AN EXCELLENT BASE FOR ACCEPTING THE MIRACLE PAINT. BILL HIRSCH
RUST REMOVER & METAL PREP IS AVAILABLE IN 20 OZ. SPRAY OR A GALLON
CONTAINER. MIRACLE PAINT IS ALSO DESIGNED TO BE APPLIED TO NEW METAL, WOOD,
CONCRETE OR UNGLAZED TILE. IF COATING OVER GALVAIZED, STAINLESS STEEL,
ALUMINUM, OR SMOOTH METAL, IT IS A MUST TO ETCH THE METAL FIRST. NEW METAL
SHOULD BE CLEANED FIRST WITH LACQUER THINNER TO GET OFF ANY PROTECTIVE
COATING, THEN USE THE ETCH & METAL PREP. CLEAR MIRACLE PAINT IS THE BEST
SEALER YOU CAN PUT ON CONCRETE TO STOP DUSTING OR TO SEAL GROUT OR QUARRY
TILE. PLEASE BE AWARE THAT AFTER A FEW MONTHS, IT HAS A TENDENCY TO TURN A
GOLDEN COLOR. CLEAR MUST BE TOPCOATED IF USED ON FERROUS METALS.
2. MIRACLE PAINT IS A MOISTURE CURED URETHANE. IT LIKES MOISTURE AND
DAMPNESS (AFTER IT HAS BEEN APPLIED). ONCE THE PAINT IS APPLIED, MOISTURE
AND DAMPNESS WILL MAKE IT STRONGER AND HARDER. IN FACT, IF YOU APPLY IT ON A
HUMID, DAMP, OR RAINY DAY, THE PAINT WILL DRY HARDER AND STRONGER. HOWEVER,
THE SURFACE TO BE PAINTED MUST BE DRY.
3. MIRACLE PAINT IS EXTREMELY DURABLE. WHILE BEING VERY FLEXIBLE, IT RESISTS
CRACKING AND SCRATCHING FROM STONES, SHARP OBJECTS, ETC.. WHEN DRY IT IS NOT
AFFECTED BY GASOLINE, OIL, ANTI-FREEZE, LACQUER THINNER, ROAD SALT OR
BATTERY ACID. YOU CAN PAINT YOUR BATTERY TRAY WITH IT, BUT YOU MUST FIRST
NEUTRALIZE THE ACID IN THE METAL WITH A BAKING SODA SOLUTION BEFORE
PAINTING. IT IS RESISTANT TO MOST KNOWN ACIDS AND SOLVENTS. BLACK MIRACLE IS
THE ONLY PAINT OF ITS TYPE THAT IS NOT AFFECTED BY HYDRAULIC BRAKE FLUID,
WHICH IS ONE OF THE WORST ENEMIES OF PAINT. WHILE WE DO NOT RECOMMEND IT FOR
EXHAUST SYSTEMS, SOME OF OUR CUSTOMERS HAVE ADVISED US THAT THEY HAVE USED
IT ON TAIL PIPES WITHOUT HEAT AFFECTING IT.
4. MIRACLE PAINT IN CLEAR, SILVER OR BLACK IS ONE OF THE BEST COATINGS YOU
CAN USE. IT HAS LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF USES, SUCH AS AUTOMOBILES, TRAINS,
INDUSTRIAL, BOATS, FARM & GARDEN EQUIPMENT, METAL FENCE POSTS, RAILINGS,
METAL DOORS AND MANY MORE THINGS YOU MAY THINK OF. UNLIKE POR-15 A
COMPETITIVE PRODUCT WHICH IS AFFECTED BY THE ULTRA-VIOLET RAYS OF THE SUN,
ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN ADVERTISING. OUR MIRACLE PAINT IS RESISTANT TO ULTRA
VIOLET RAYS, WITH SILVER BEING THE MOST RESISTANT, THEN BLACK AND FINALLY
CLEAR. WHILE ULTRA VIOLET RAYS WILL NOT AFFECT THE PERFORMANCE OF MIRACLE
PAINT, IT WILL CAUSE THE COLOR TO FADE. SO IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED THAT THE
MIRACLE PAINT BE TOPCOATED FOR COSMETIC PURPOSES WHEN USED OUTDOORS. THIS
SAME FORMULATION IS NOW BEING USED TO RE-PAINT RUSTING AND CORRODING BRIDGES
AND OTHER EXPOSED METAL STRUCTURES. IT HAS EXTREMELY HIGH CHARACTERISTICS
PERMITTING IT TO BE USED FOR EXTERIOR AS WELL AS INTERIOR USES. IT CAN ALSO
BE USED AS A PRIMER OR SEALER. YOU CAN PAINT ENAMEL, LACQUER, OR EVEN
URETHANE OVER IT WITHOUT AFFECTING THE MIRACLE PAINT. IF YOU DO INTEND TO
RE-COAT IT, THE MIRACLE PAINT SHOULD BE SANDED JUST ENOUGH TO REMOVE SOME OF
THE GLOSS. THIS WILL GIVE BETTER ADHESION TO THE TOP COAT. THE BLACK FORMULA
HAS BEEN DULLED DOWN TO FACILITATE TOPCOATING.
5. ALWAYS WEAR GLOVES WHEN WORKING WITH THIS PRODUCT. A PAIR IS SUPPLIED
WITH THE PAINT. YOU MUST BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU USE IT. TRY NOT TO GET ANY ON
YOUR HANDS OR SKIN. IF YOU DO, CLEAN IT OFF IMMEDIATELY WITH SOLVENT. ONCE
IT DRIES ON YOUR SKIN, IT WILL BE VERY HARD TO GET OFF. IT WILL COME OFF
EVENTUALLY, BUT IT MAY TAKE A FEW DAYS TO A WEEK TO REMOVE.
SPECIAL NOTE: SILVER AND ESPECIALLY BLACK HAVE HEAVY PIGMENTS. DURING
STORAGE THESE PIGMENTS WILL SETTLE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE CAN. IT IS VERY
IMPORTANT TO SHAKE THE CAN VIGOROUSLY OR REMOVE THE LID AND STIR THE PAINT
UNTIL IT IS THE SAME CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT THE CAN. ****CANS SOMETIMES GET
DAMAGED DURING SHIPPING CAUSING MOISTURE TO GET INTO THE CAN WHICH MAY CAUSE
IT TO SWELL. IF CAN APPEARS TO BE SWOLLEN OUT OF SHAPE, DO NOT OPEN CAN!
PLEASE CALL BILL HIRSCH ON HIS TOLL FREE LINE, 1-800-828- 2061. HE WILL
ADVISE ON HOW TO PROCEED.
6. TO USE THIS PRODUCT. MANY CUSTOMERS HAVE ADVISED US THAT THEY DO NOT EVEN
REMOVE THE LID, BECAUSE IF YOU GET THE MIRACLE PAINT IN THE LIP OF THE CAN,
AND PUT THE LID BACK ON, EVEN WITH SARAN WRAP BETWEEN THE LID AND THE CAN,
IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO REMOVE THE LID THE NEXT TIME YOU USE THE PRODUCT.
TO AVOID HAVING A PERMANENTLY STUCK LID, WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU SHAKE THE CAN
WELL, THEN PUNCTURE A SMALL HOLE IN THE LID OF THE CAN NEAR THE RIM. THEN
PUNCTURE ANOTHER HOLE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, TO POUR THE PRODUCT OUT OF THE
CAN. WARNING: PRESSURE CAN BUILD UP INSIDE OF THE CAN AFTER SHAKING. USE
EXTREME CARE WHEN PUNCTURING LID AS PAINT CAN SQUIRT OUT OF THE HOLE. COVER
LID WITH A RAG OR PAPER AND FACE LID AWAY FROM YOU WHEN PUNCTURING IT. AFTER
POURING OUT THE PAINT YOU NEED, WIPE OFF THE AREAS WHERE YOU JUST MADE THE
HOLES WITH SOLVENT AND COVER OVER THOSE HOLES WITH DUCT TAPE TO KEEP THE AIR
FROM GETTING INTO THE CAN. NEXT TIME YOU USE THE MIRACLE PAINT, JUST REMOVE
OR PUNCTURE THROUGH THE TAPE AND FOLLOW THE SAME PROCEDURE FOR SEALING THE
CAN AGAIN. IF YOU PREFER TO REMOVE THE LID, YOU MUST FIRST VERY CAREFULLY
REMOVE THE 3 SAFETY CLIPS ON LID OF CAN. REMOVE THE LAST CLIP, FACING AWAY
FROM YOU, IN CASE OF PRESSURE BUILD UP IN CAN. YOU MAY HEAR A SLIGHT
"HISSING" SOUND. THIS IS O.K. REMEMBER, BE CAREFUL TO POUR OUT ONLY WHAT YOU
PLAN TO USE. DO NOT PUT UNUSED MIRACLE PAINT BACK INTO THE CAN. FOR THOSE OF
YOU WHO PURCHASE GALLON CANS, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO POUR THE REMAINDER
OF THE PAINT INTO SMALLER ROUND QUART CANS AND THEN FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE ABOVE.
7. MIRACLE PAINT IS EASILY BRUSHED ON. WE RECOMMEND USING A THROW AWAY PAINT
BRUSH OR EVEN BETTER A SPONGE BRUSH WHICH WILL NOT LEAVE ANY BRUSH MARKS.
BOTH CAN BE DISCARDED AFTER USE. IF SPRAYING, WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU USE OUR
MIRACLE SOLVENT TO THIN. TRY TO USE THE MIRACLE PAINT IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM.
THIN ONLY IF ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. DO NOT USE PRIMERS. YOU MAY USE A RUST
CONVERTER OR METAL PREP BEFORE APPLYING THE MIRACLE PAINT. IF SPRAYING TO
SEAL OVER RUST, WE RECOMMEND 2-3 APPLICATIONS OVER THE SAME AREA. WAIT 2-3
MINUTES BETWEEN COATS OR WHILE FIRST COAT IS TACKY BEFORE APPLYING NEXT
COAT. YOU MUST BE SURE TO GET ENOUGH MIRACLE PAINT ON THE SURFACE THAT YOU
ARE COATING TO BE SURE THAT IT IS PERMANENTLY SEALED!!!!!
IF YOU INTEND TO TOP COAT THE MIRACLE PAINT WITH ANOTHER TYPE PAINT
AFTERWARDS, WAIT 4-6 HOURS FOR MIRACLE PAINT TO DFRY BEFORE APPLYING ANOTHER
PAINT
FOR BRUSH APPLICATION- FOR FIRST COAT, APPLY A THIN COAT. WAIT 2-3 MINUTES
AND APPLY A SECOND FINISH COAT. IF YOU ARE PLANNING TO TOP COAT THE MIRACLE
PAINT WITH ANOTHER TYPE PAINT AFTERWARDS, LET MIRACLE PAINT DRY FOR 4-6
HOURS BEFORE APPLYING TOP COAT.


>There is a product called POR 15, it is a liquid rust repairer. I don't
>know much about it but it works. You paint it on the rusted area and it
>turns the rust into usable metal oxide. You can paint over it or leave
>it the black color it is. You can read about it in most hot rod
>magazines. I've seen some pretty badly rusted parts restored this way.
>Chuck
>
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
Troops....OSPHO and POR15 are basically phosphoric acid which you can
purchase in any chemical supply house for a lot less money. The savings can
then be put towards your retirement!
Jim Davis, 77 Coca Cola
Bandon, Oregon

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Will [SMTP:willa]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 8:56 PM
To: gmcmotorhome
Subject: GMC: Rust and Repair

There is a product called POR 15, it is a liquid rust repairer. I don't
know much about it but it works. You paint it on the rusted area and it
turns the rust into usable metal oxide. You can paint over it or leave
it the black color it is. You can read about it in most hot rod
magazines. I've seen some pretty badly rusted parts restored this way.
Chuck