I didn't like having the water heater hoses laying on the valve covers, and intake manifold. Vibration, heat, and just in the way. Made no sense to me for being there. So I routed them around the engine. Then hung them from the underside of the floor with rubber covered steel straps. Sure cleaned up that area for service. And safer as to potential leaks. Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale The Mouse House
Restoration. Getting the water heater hoses off your engine
- Thread starter Bob Dunahugh
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> I didn't like having the water heater hoses laying on the valve covers, and intake manifold. Vibration, heat, and just in the way. Made no sense
> to me for being there. So I routed them around the engine. Then hung them from the underside of the floor with rubber covered steel straps. Sure
> cleaned up that area for service. And safer as to potential leaks. Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale The Mouse House
Did the same thing many years ago I mounted two Tee's to the bottom of the floor One lines up with the back of the engine and the other with the front
of the engine.
You are correct. No clutter around the right side valve cover and manifold now.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
> to me for being there. So I routed them around the engine. Then hung them from the underside of the floor with rubber covered steel straps. Sure
> cleaned up that area for service. And safer as to potential leaks. Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale The Mouse House
Did the same thing many years ago I mounted two Tee's to the bottom of the floor One lines up with the back of the engine and the other with the front
of the engine.
You are correct. No clutter around the right side valve cover and manifold now.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Y'All seem to be determined to put me to work!! When I acquired and
stripped Tweety Bird in '98, the water heater hoses were included in the
new installation. Ain't been touched since. Guess maybe it's time I took
a look at them, huh? Not looking forward to that task. I'm not sure I
left any way, other than Water Heater removal, to get to the back of that
WH.
Stay tuned for cries of agony.
Ken H.
> > I didn't like having the water heater hoses laying on the valve covers,
> and intake manifold. Vibration, heat, and just in the way. Made no sense
> > to me for being there. So I routed them around the engine. Then hung
> them from the underside of the floor with rubber covered steel straps. Sure
> > cleaned up that area for service. And safer as to potential leaks. Bob
> Dunahugh 78 Royale The Mouse House
>
>
> Did the same thing many years ago I mounted two Tee's to the bottom of the
> floor One lines up with the back of the engine and the other with the front
> of the engine.
>
> You are correct. No clutter around the right side valve cover and
> manifold now.
>
> --
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> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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stripped Tweety Bird in '98, the water heater hoses were included in the
new installation. Ain't been touched since. Guess maybe it's time I took
a look at them, huh? Not looking forward to that task. I'm not sure I
left any way, other than Water Heater removal, to get to the back of that
WH.
Stay tuned for cries of agony.
Ken H.
> > I didn't like having the water heater hoses laying on the valve covers,
> and intake manifold. Vibration, heat, and just in the way. Made no sense
> > to me for being there. So I routed them around the engine. Then hung
> them from the underside of the floor with rubber covered steel straps. Sure
> > cleaned up that area for service. And safer as to potential leaks. Bob
> Dunahugh 78 Royale The Mouse House
>
>
> Did the same thing many years ago I mounted two Tee's to the bottom of the
> floor One lines up with the back of the engine and the other with the front
> of the engine.
>
> You are correct. No clutter around the right side valve cover and
> manifold now.
>
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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Ken,
After about 10 years of use, I disconnected the hoses that go to and from the
water heater after one of them started to leak. Never was that comfortable with
them and thought how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?
jim Galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, Fl
After about 10 years of use, I disconnected the hoses that go to and from the
water heater after one of them started to leak. Never was that comfortable with
them and thought how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?
jim Galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, Fl
Bob D.:
I like the way you think - and act - sounds like a must do to me!
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>
> Ken,
>
> After about 10 years of use, I disconnected the hoses that go to and from the
> water heater after one of them started to leak. Never was that comfortable with
> them and thought how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?
>
> jim Galbavy
> '73 x-CL ANNIE
> Lake Mary, Fl
>
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I like the way you think - and act - sounds like a must do to me!
Mike/The Corvair a holic
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>
> Ken,
>
> After about 10 years of use, I disconnected the hoses that go to and from the
> water heater after one of them started to leak. Never was that comfortable with
> them and thought how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?
>
> jim Galbavy
> '73 x-CL ANNIE
> Lake Mary, Fl
>
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Jim wrote: "how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?" Well, assuming no heat loss and an actual 120V at your campsite, about an hour and a
quarter. If you're using all 20 amps that some campgrounds supply to run your roof A/C on a 100 degree day, it takes until well after sundown. If
you're dry camping with NO electricity, it takes until you manage to get the "Oh Nan!" running, plus an hour and change.
Obviously, we all have our priorities, but the idea of getting FREE heat from the engine just makes me feel good.
My .02, YMMV
Rick Staples
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"Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all paths may run ill." -Tolkien
quarter. If you're using all 20 amps that some campgrounds supply to run your roof A/C on a 100 degree day, it takes until well after sundown. If
you're dry camping with NO electricity, it takes until you manage to get the "Oh Nan!" running, plus an hour and change.
Obviously, we all have our priorities, but the idea of getting FREE heat from the engine just makes me feel good.
My .02, YMMV
Rick Staples
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"Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all paths may run ill." -Tolkien
Don't forget that the heat exchanger is also part of your engine cooling
system. Don't know what percentage it represents, but, it might just be the
part that absorbs the heat from the top of the Tehachapi pass, or the
Grapevine. Don't know for sure. These coaches do not have a whole lot of
reserve cooling capability, I wouldn't remove much of it, if it were mine.
I have had Detroit cars that needed the heater on full blast to keep
from overheating in very hot weather. No fun, heater on full, all the
windows down, wind wings tipped forward, couple of crying kids, driving
through Red Bluff in August.
Been there, done that.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
> Jim wrote: "how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?" Well,
> assuming no heat loss and an actual 120V at your campsite, about an hour
> and a
> quarter. If you're using all 20 amps that some campgrounds supply to run
> your roof A/C on a 100 degree day, it takes until well after sundown. If
> you're dry camping with NO electricity, it takes until you manage to get
> the "Oh Nan!" running, plus an hour and change.
> Obviously, we all have our priorities, but the idea of getting FREE heat
> from the engine just makes me feel good.
> My .02, YMMV
> Rick Staples
>
>
> --
> Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
>
> "Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all paths
> may run ill." -Tolkien
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system. Don't know what percentage it represents, but, it might just be the
part that absorbs the heat from the top of the Tehachapi pass, or the
Grapevine. Don't know for sure. These coaches do not have a whole lot of
reserve cooling capability, I wouldn't remove much of it, if it were mine.
I have had Detroit cars that needed the heater on full blast to keep
from overheating in very hot weather. No fun, heater on full, all the
windows down, wind wings tipped forward, couple of crying kids, driving
through Red Bluff in August.
Been there, done that.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
> Jim wrote: "how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?" Well,
> assuming no heat loss and an actual 120V at your campsite, about an hour
> and a
> quarter. If you're using all 20 amps that some campgrounds supply to run
> your roof A/C on a 100 degree day, it takes until well after sundown. If
> you're dry camping with NO electricity, it takes until you manage to get
> the "Oh Nan!" running, plus an hour and change.
> Obviously, we all have our priorities, but the idea of getting FREE heat
> from the engine just makes me feel good.
> My .02, YMMV
> Rick Staples
>
>
> --
> Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
>
> "Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all paths
> may run ill." -Tolkien
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Hmmm. I fire up my generator and can have a hot shower in about 15-20
minutes.
Rick "whose water heater is certainly nothing special" Denney
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Richard H Staples
wrote:
> Jim wrote: "how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?" Well,
> assuming no heat loss and an actual 120V at your campsite, about an hour
> and a
> quarter. If you're using all 20 amps that some campgrounds supply to run
> your roof A/C on a 100 degree day, it takes until well after sundown. If
> you're dry camping with NO electricity, it takes until you manage to get
> the "Oh Nan!" running, plus an hour and change.
> Obviously, we all have our priorities, but the idea of getting FREE heat
> from the engine just makes me feel good.
> My .02, YMMV
> Rick Staples
>
>
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Northern Virginia
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minutes.
Rick "whose water heater is certainly nothing special" Denney
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Richard H Staples
wrote:
> Jim wrote: "how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?" Well,
> assuming no heat loss and an actual 120V at your campsite, about an hour
> and a
> quarter. If you're using all 20 amps that some campgrounds supply to run
> your roof A/C on a 100 degree day, it takes until well after sundown. If
> you're dry camping with NO electricity, it takes until you manage to get
> the "Oh Nan!" running, plus an hour and change.
> Obviously, we all have our priorities, but the idea of getting FREE heat
> from the engine just makes me feel good.
> My .02, YMMV
> Rick Staples
>
>
--
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Northern Virginia
Offlist email: rick at rickdenney dot com
Lots of GMC's were delivered as Transmodes without water heaters, and used
in applications where no water heater would be installed.
I could add that my cooling system showed no change in behavior after I
removed the water heater connection, but that connection was so poorly
designed I'm not sure it ever really made the water in the heater hot in
the first place.
I've left the opportunity to hook it up again should I replace my water
heater. I think I would like to get a propane water heater to replace my
electric one, but that's way low on the list.
Rick "who'd rather just bring the cooling system up to snuff" Denney
> Don't forget that the heat exchanger is also part of your engine cooling
> system. Don't know what percentage it represents, but, it might just be the
> part that absorbs the heat from the top of the Tehachapi pass, or the
> Grapevine. Don't know for sure. These coaches do not have a whole lot of
> reserve cooling capability, I wouldn't remove much of it, if it were mine.
> I have had Detroit cars that needed the heater on full blast to keep
> from overheating in very hot weather. No fun, heater on full, all the
> windows down, wind wings tipped forward, couple of crying kids, driving
> through Red Bluff in August.
> Been there, done that.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, 2:17 PM Richard H Staples
>
> > Jim wrote: "how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?" Well,
> > assuming no heat loss and an actual 120V at your campsite, about an hour
> > and a
> > quarter. If you're using all 20 amps that some campgrounds supply to run
> > your roof A/C on a 100 degree day, it takes until well after sundown. If
> > you're dry camping with NO electricity, it takes until you manage to get
> > the "Oh Nan!" running, plus an hour and change.
> > Obviously, we all have our priorities, but the idea of getting FREE heat
> > from the engine just makes me feel good.
> > My .02, YMMV
> > Rick Staples
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
> >
> > "Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all
> paths
> > may run ill." -Tolkien
> >
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in applications where no water heater would be installed.
I could add that my cooling system showed no change in behavior after I
removed the water heater connection, but that connection was so poorly
designed I'm not sure it ever really made the water in the heater hot in
the first place.
I've left the opportunity to hook it up again should I replace my water
heater. I think I would like to get a propane water heater to replace my
electric one, but that's way low on the list.
Rick "who'd rather just bring the cooling system up to snuff" Denney
> Don't forget that the heat exchanger is also part of your engine cooling
> system. Don't know what percentage it represents, but, it might just be the
> part that absorbs the heat from the top of the Tehachapi pass, or the
> Grapevine. Don't know for sure. These coaches do not have a whole lot of
> reserve cooling capability, I wouldn't remove much of it, if it were mine.
> I have had Detroit cars that needed the heater on full blast to keep
> from overheating in very hot weather. No fun, heater on full, all the
> windows down, wind wings tipped forward, couple of crying kids, driving
> through Red Bluff in August.
> Been there, done that.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, 2:17 PM Richard H Staples
>
> > Jim wrote: "how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?" Well,
> > assuming no heat loss and an actual 120V at your campsite, about an hour
> > and a
> > quarter. If you're using all 20 amps that some campgrounds supply to run
> > your roof A/C on a 100 degree day, it takes until well after sundown. If
> > you're dry camping with NO electricity, it takes until you manage to get
> > the "Oh Nan!" running, plus an hour and change.
> > Obviously, we all have our priorities, but the idea of getting FREE heat
> > from the engine just makes me feel good.
> > My .02, YMMV
> > Rick Staples
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
> >
> > "Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all
> paths
> > may run ill." -Tolkien
> >
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My ex-Royale has a 3 way water heater, gas/electric/engine, the engine heat get it up to temp about as fast as the engine heats up. I doubt it make much of a thermal sink
________________________________
From: Gmclist on behalf of Richard Denney
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 11:42 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Getting the water heater hoses off your engine
Lots of GMC's were delivered as Transmodes without water heaters, and used
in applications where no water heater would be installed.
I could add that my cooling system showed no change in behavior after I
removed the water heater connection, but that connection was so poorly
designed I'm not sure it ever really made the water in the heater hot in
the first place.
I've left the opportunity to hook it up again should I replace my water
heater. I think I would like to get a propane water heater to replace my
electric one, but that's way low on the list.
Rick "who'd rather just bring the cooling system up to snuff" Denney
> Don't forget that the heat exchanger is also part of your engine cooling
> system. Don't know what percentage it represents, but, it might just be the
> part that absorbs the heat from the top of the Tehachapi pass, or the
> Grapevine. Don't know for sure. These coaches do not have a whole lot of
> reserve cooling capability, I wouldn't remove much of it, if it were mine.
> I have had Detroit cars that needed the heater on full blast to keep
> from overheating in very hot weather. No fun, heater on full, all the
> windows down, wind wings tipped forward, couple of crying kids, driving
> through Red Bluff in August.
> Been there, done that.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, 2:17 PM Richard H Staples
>
> > Jim wrote: "how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?" Well,
> > assuming no heat loss and an actual 120V at your campsite, about an hour
> > and a
> > quarter. If you're using all 20 amps that some campgrounds supply to run
> > your roof A/C on a 100 degree day, it takes until well after sundown. If
> > you're dry camping with NO electricity, it takes until you manage to get
> > the "Oh Nan!" running, plus an hour and change.
> > Obviously, we all have our priorities, but the idea of getting FREE heat
> > from the engine just makes me feel good.
> > My .02, YMMV
> > Rick Staples
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
> >
> > "Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all
> paths
> > may run ill." -Tolkien
> >
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From: Gmclist on behalf of Richard Denney
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 11:42 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Getting the water heater hoses off your engine
Lots of GMC's were delivered as Transmodes without water heaters, and used
in applications where no water heater would be installed.
I could add that my cooling system showed no change in behavior after I
removed the water heater connection, but that connection was so poorly
designed I'm not sure it ever really made the water in the heater hot in
the first place.
I've left the opportunity to hook it up again should I replace my water
heater. I think I would like to get a propane water heater to replace my
electric one, but that's way low on the list.
Rick "who'd rather just bring the cooling system up to snuff" Denney
> Don't forget that the heat exchanger is also part of your engine cooling
> system. Don't know what percentage it represents, but, it might just be the
> part that absorbs the heat from the top of the Tehachapi pass, or the
> Grapevine. Don't know for sure. These coaches do not have a whole lot of
> reserve cooling capability, I wouldn't remove much of it, if it were mine.
> I have had Detroit cars that needed the heater on full blast to keep
> from overheating in very hot weather. No fun, heater on full, all the
> windows down, wind wings tipped forward, couple of crying kids, driving
> through Red Bluff in August.
> Been there, done that.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, 2:17 PM Richard H Staples
>
> > Jim wrote: "how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?" Well,
> > assuming no heat loss and an actual 120V at your campsite, about an hour
> > and a
> > quarter. If you're using all 20 amps that some campgrounds supply to run
> > your roof A/C on a 100 degree day, it takes until well after sundown. If
> > you're dry camping with NO electricity, it takes until you manage to get
> > the "Oh Nan!" running, plus an hour and change.
> > Obviously, we all have our priorities, but the idea of getting FREE heat
> > from the engine just makes me feel good.
> > My .02, YMMV
> > Rick Staples
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
> >
> > "Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all
> paths
> > may run ill." -Tolkien
> >
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Rick,
I have a Honda EV6010 that I sprung for 15 years ago to replace
the troll. I wanted to have reliable power. On a hot day of travel
I'm running the gen set anyway to power the roof air so the water
heater is on so there is not a problem. If at a campground, and find
that they are having a "brown out" due to lack of amperage, I'll leave
and find a campground that has correct power. Last case, the Honda only
uses about 2/3 a gal./hr. Did that last year during the hurricane.
jim Galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, FL
I have a Honda EV6010 that I sprung for 15 years ago to replace
the troll. I wanted to have reliable power. On a hot day of travel
I'm running the gen set anyway to power the roof air so the water
heater is on so there is not a problem. If at a campground, and find
that they are having a "brown out" due to lack of amperage, I'll leave
and find a campground that has correct power. Last case, the Honda only
uses about 2/3 a gal./hr. Did that last year during the hurricane.
jim Galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, FL
