replacing water heater

I beg to differ, Emery.

A 4,000 Watt, 240 Volt heater element will draw 16.67 Amps. The heat output will be FOUR times that of the 1,000 Watt, 120 Volt element drawing 8.33 Amps.

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>From: emerystora
> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 17:39:16 -0600
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] replacing water heater
>
> You can find the parts at Home Depot and I even bought a thermostat at Ace Hardware once.
>
> The original element is a 1000 watt 120 volts. This draws about 8.3 amps.
> This is hard to find. You can find a 1500 watt 102 volt at home depot but that draws 12.5 amps.
>
> If you use a 4000 watt 240 volts this will draw 8.3 amps and put out exactly the same heat as a 1000 watt 120 volt.
> It is also cheaper and easier to find.
> The heating element inside the 240 volt element is more durable and less inclined to burn out.
>
> I suggest that you buy an adapter to adapt from the 4 bolts that hold the original element to a threaded fitting that the newer style heating elements thread into.
> This makes it much easier to install the heating element.
>
> Home Depot should have those adapters.
>
> You don’t have to remove the tank to do any of this.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
>

> >
> > It is not leaking, parts I may need are thermostat and element, can these
> > be replaced without removing the heater and can I get these parts at Home
> > Depot.
> >
>> >>

> >
> >> What parts do you need? The element just screws into the front and the
> >> thermostat mounts against the front. Either one is less than a 1/2 hour
> >> job.
> >>
> >>
> >> What parts are broken? I'm still confused as to why you want to remove
> >> the heater. Is is leaking somewhere?
> >> --
> >> Ken Burton - N9KB
> >> 76 Palm Beach
> >> Hebron, Indiana
> >> _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Thanks *
> > *Bill Ezzell *
 
Mac

You are missing the point.
It is true that a 4000 watt element connected to 240 volts will draw 16.67 amps but this is true only if it is connected to 240 volts --
but in this case if you hook that element up to 120 volts it will draw about 8.3 amps.and produce approximately 1000 watts.

I can walk you through the calculations on this if you want. It uses the formulas P=EI and P=I*I*R

I cannot do this for you tonight as I have to get to bed and get up at 5 am in order to be at the hospital at 6 am for my first spinal surgery operation.
I am sure someone else will walk you through the calculations if you are still in the dark on this.

If not I can do it in a few days when I get home and propped up to use the computer.
This will be my last email for the day.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

>
> I beg to differ, Emery.
>
> A 4,000 Watt, 240 Volt heater element will draw 16.67 Amps. The heat output will be FOUR times that of the 1,000 Watt, 120 Volt element drawing 8.33 Amps.
>
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>> From: emerystora
>> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 17:39:16 -0600
>> To: gmclist
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] replacing water heater
>>
>> You can find the parts at Home Depot and I even bought a thermostat at Ace Hardware once.
>>
>> The original element is a 1000 watt 120 volts. This draws about 8.3 amps.
>> This is hard to find. You can find a 1500 watt 102 volt at home depot but that draws 12.5 amps.
>>
>> If you use a 4000 watt 240 volts this will draw 8.3 amps and put out exactly the same heat as a 1000 watt 120 volt.
>> It is also cheaper and easier to find.
>> The heating element inside the 240 volt element is more durable and less inclined to burn out.
>>
>> I suggest that you buy an adapter to adapt from the 4 bolts that hold the original element to a threaded fitting that the newer style heating elements thread into.
>> This makes it much easier to install the heating element.
>>
>> Home Depot should have those adapters.
>>
>> You don’t have to remove the tank to do any of this.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
>>
>>

>>>
>>> It is not leaking, parts I may need are thermostat and element, can these
>>> be replaced without removing the heater and can I get these parts at Home
>>> Depot.
>>>
>>>>>

>>>
>>>> What parts do you need? The element just screws into the front and the
>>>> thermostat mounts against the front. Either one is less than a 1/2 hour
>>>> job.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What parts are broken? I'm still confused as to why you want to remove
>>>> the heater. Is is leaking somewhere?
>>>> --
>>>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>>>> 76 Palm Beach
>>>> Hebron, Indiana
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Thanks *
>>> *Bill Ezzell *
>
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> I beg to differ, Emery.
> A 4,000 Watt, 240 Volt heater element will draw 16.67 Amps. The heat output will be FOUR times that of the 1,000 Watt, 120 Volt element drawing
> 8.33 Amps.
>
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I get 14.4 ohms for the 4000w 240v element. That'd be 8.33 amps and 1000 watts if attached to a 120VAC source. Emery is correct.
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P = I xE where P is power in Watts, I is current in Amps,
and E is EMF in Volts.

Therefore I = P / E or 4000 / 240 = 16.66667 Amps.
I have NO idea where or how you arrived at 8.333
Amps OR 14.4 Ohms. Resistance does not come directly into play when voltage and current are known.

If any two quantities are known the third is easily calculated.

Mac

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> I beg to differ, Emery.
> A 4,000 Watt, 240 Volt heater element will draw 16.67 Amps. The heat output will be FOUR times that of the 1,000 Watt, 120 Volt element drawing
> 8.33 Amps.
>
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I get 14.4 ohms for the 4000w 240v element. That'd be 8.33 amps and 1000 watts if attached to a 120VAC source. Emery is correct.
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Sorry if assumed you were going to apply 240 Volts to a 240 Volt heater!

Mac

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Mac

You are missing the point.
It is true that a 4000 watt element connected to 240 volts will draw 16.67 amps but this is true only if it is connected to 240 volts --
but in this case if you hook that element up to 120 volts it will draw about 8.3 amps.and produce approximately 1000 watts.

I can walk you through the calculations on this if you want. It uses the formulas P=EI and P=I*I*R

I cannot do this for you tonight as I have to get to bed and get up at 5 am in order to be at the hospital at 6 am for my first spinal surgery operation.
I am sure someone else will walk you through the calculations if you are still in the dark on this.

If not I can do it in a few days when I get home and propped up to use the computer.
This will be my last email for the day.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

>
> I beg to differ, Emery.
>
> A 4,000 Watt, 240 Volt heater element will draw 16.67 Amps. The heat output will be FOUR times that of the 1,000 Watt, 120 Volt element drawing 8.33 Amps.
>
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> ~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
> ~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
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>
>
>
>> From: emerystora
>> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 17:39:16 -0600
>> To: gmclist
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] replacing water heater
>>
>> You can find the parts at Home Depot and I even bought a thermostat at Ace Hardware once.
>>
>> The original element is a 1000 watt 120 volts. This draws about 8.3 amps.
>> This is hard to find. You can find a 1500 watt 102 volt at home depot but that draws 12.5 amps.
>>
>> If you use a 4000 watt 240 volts this will draw 8.3 amps and put out exactly the same heat as a 1000 watt 120 volt.
>> It is also cheaper and easier to find.
>> The heating element inside the 240 volt element is more durable and less inclined to burn out.
>>
>> I suggest that you buy an adapter to adapt from the 4 bolts that hold the original element to a threaded fitting that the newer style heating elements thread into.
>> This makes it much easier to install the heating element.
>>
>> Home Depot should have those adapters.
>>
>> You don’t have to remove the tank to do any of this.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
>>
>>

>>>
>>> It is not leaking, parts I may need are thermostat and element, can these
>>> be replaced without removing the heater and can I get these parts at Home
>>> Depot.
>>>

>>>>
>>>> What parts do you need? The element just screws into the front and the
>>>> thermostat mounts against the front. Either one is less than a 1/2 hour
>>>> job.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What parts are broken? I'm still confused as to why you want to remove
>>>> the heater. Is is leaking somewhere?
>>>> --
>>>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>>>> 76 Palm Beach
>>>> Hebron, Indiana
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Thanks *
>>> *Bill Ezzell *
>
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> P = I xE where P is power in Watts, I is current in Amps,
> and E is EMF in Volts.
> Therefore I = P / E or 4000 / 240 = 16.66667 Amps.
> I have NO idea where or how you arrived at 8.333
> Amps OR 14.4 Ohms. Resistance does not come directly into play when voltage and current are known.
>
> If any two quantities are known the third is easily calculated.
>
> Mac
P = I*I*R. 4000 = 16.66667*16.66667*R, So R = 14.4 ohms

We are talking about powering the 240V rated element with 120v. V = I*R. 120 = I*14.4. I = 8.3333

P = V*I. P = 120*8.3333. P = 1000W. So when you power an element rated for 240V with 120V, it produces 1/4 the power at half the current.
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I have the 4000 watt 240 volt element in my heater. the last time I checked it about 10 years ago with a clamp on meter it drew a little over 8 amps.
This definitely the way to go because you probably will never burn it out again.
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Good luck emery

May the force be with you

Erf

> I have the 4000 watt 240 volt element in my heater. the last time I
> checked it about 10 years ago with a clamp on meter it drew a little over 8
> amps.
> This definitely the way to go because you probably will never burn it out
> again.
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As I wrote earlier, I had no idea that the conversation was about using a 240V element on 120V.

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> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 23:01:17 -0600
> To: gmclist
> From: markbb1
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] replacing water heater
>

> > P = I xE where P is power in Watts, I is current in Amps,
> > and E is EMF in Volts.
> > Therefore I = P / E or 4000 / 240 = 16.66667 Amps.
> > I have NO idea where or how you arrived at 8.333
> > Amps OR 14.4 Ohms. Resistance does not come directly into play when voltage and current are known.
> >
> > If any two quantities are known the third is easily calculated.
> >
> > Mac
> P = I*I*R. 4000 = 16.66667*16.66667*R, So R = 14.4 ohms
>
> We are talking about powering the 240V rated element with 120v. V = I*R. 120 = I*14.4. I = 8.3333
>
> P = V*I. P = 120*8.3333. P = 1000W. So when you power an element rated for 240V with 120V, it produces 1/4 the power at half the current.
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