Radiators 101

donald w. miller

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I talked to and visited several radiator shops today.

At shop #1 it was difficult to communicate. It became obvious I would not
know what I was getting until after they did the work and I paid the bill.

At #2 shop they were nice, but said they only did exact replacements. A
policy designed to reduce problems.

Then I found Ray, who runs the radiator shop at our local Kenworth truck
dealer. He said he had upgraded many older trucks, as well as lots of farm
and construction equipment.

Ray has book knowledge, training in the radiator arts and has been around
heavy equipment radiators for 20 years. We could communicate and he was
willing to educate me. I had found my man.

After looking at the GMC's radiator he said it would be possible to increase
the cooling capacity but cautioned me, with radiator's, you get what you
pay for.

Looking in his book, he then gave me a very reasonable price for an exact
duplicate core.

"If you have time", he said, " I'll explain the several upgrades available
to improve your GMC's cooling capacity." I was all ears.

First is increase internal water passage size from four 1/2" to four 5/8"
wide tubes. This provides more surface area. That decision was easy.

Second is increase the number of air fins per inch. As you add more fins,
capacity increases, but the closer spaced fins are more prone to stop up
from bugs and dirt. I let Ray make this call after I told him we would play
mostly on the interstate, instead of in the dirt.

Third is add corrugated air fins to increase both fin surface area and air
turbulence. Sounded good to me.

Forth is add corrugated water tubes to increase both surface area and water
turbulence. This option costs about $100 to add and you cannot rod out
these tubes and you can never use stop leak in them.

If you are near someone like Ray, instead of rodding they will ultra sonic
clean your radiator instead.

Ray thought all of the above would provide roughly a 40% increase in cooling
capacity.

Tonight, my new core is being custom built near Cincinnati. It has all the
above options and total outlay will be around $580.

More cooling is more expensive but included in that price is my diploma for
completing Radiator 101.

Cheers,

Don
Shenandoah Valley of Virginia
 
Do you think 'Ray' would be an ongoing source for replacement radiators??
You know the drill, we send money, he sends radiators??

>I talked to and visited several radiator shops today.
>
>At shop #1 it was difficult to communicate. It became obvious I would not
>know what I was getting until after they did the work and I paid the bill.
>
>At #2 shop they were nice, but said they only did exact replacements. A
>policy designed to reduce problems.
>
>Then I found Ray, who runs the radiator shop at our local Kenworth truck
>dealer. He said he had upgraded many older trucks, as well as lots of farm
>and construction equipment.
>
>Ray has book knowledge, training in the radiator arts and has been around
>heavy equipment radiators for 20 years. We could communicate and he was
>willing to educate me. I had found my man.
>
>After looking at the GMC's radiator he said it would be possible to increase
>the cooling capacity but cautioned me, with radiator's, you get what you
>pay for.
>
>Looking in his book, he then gave me a very reasonable price for an exact
>duplicate core.
>
>"If you have time", he said, " I'll explain the several upgrades available
>to improve your GMC's cooling capacity." I was all ears.
>
>First is increase internal water passage size from four 1/2" to four 5/8"
>wide tubes. This provides more surface area. That decision was easy.
>
>Second is increase the number of air fins per inch. As you add more fins,
>capacity increases, but the closer spaced fins are more prone to stop up
>from bugs and dirt. I let Ray make this call after I told him we would play
>mostly on the interstate, instead of in the dirt.
>
>Third is add corrugated air fins to increase both fin surface area and air
>turbulence. Sounded good to me.
>
>Forth is add corrugated water tubes to increase both surface area and water
>turbulence. This option costs about $100 to add and you cannot rod out
>these tubes and you can never use stop leak in them.
>
>If you are near someone like Ray, instead of rodding they will ultra sonic
>clean your radiator instead.
>
>Ray thought all of the above would provide roughly a 40% increase in cooling
>capacity.
>
>Tonight, my new core is being custom built near Cincinnati. It has all the
>above options and total outlay will be around $580.
>
>More cooling is more expensive but included in that price is my diploma for
>completing Radiator 101.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Don
>Shenandoah Valley of Virginia
>
 
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>
>Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:53:13 -0500
>From: Thom Hole
>Subject: Re: GMC: Radiators 101
>
>Do you think 'Ray' would be an ongoing source for replacement radiators??
>You know the drill, we send money, he sends radiators??
>

Thom

I imagine they would. They do a lot of truck sales and service business,
are well thought of and have been in business here for years. Far as I know
the founder is still active in the business. I'll check it out with Ray
when I pick mine up.

Truck Enterprises
3440 South Main Street
Harrisonburg, Virginia 22801
(540) 433-2631
Talk to Ray Good in the radiator shop.

You may find a Ray in your area and avoid shipping if you find out who does
this work for local truckers.

Don
Shenandoah Valley of Virginia
 
>
> > night, my new core is being custom built near Cincinnati. It has all the
> > above options and total outlay will be around $580.
> >
> I've paid more than that for a radiator in my Ford pickup with a 460 CID.
> Laneir

This all sounds too high to me. I had my GMC radiator recored last
summer for $330 and I too have a Ford Pick up with a 460 with a brand new 4 row
radiator that I got for free out of a Cal-Trans (State Road Worker) Truck.

Phil Swanson
 
Hi Phil,

Yours sure was an excellent price.

I was quoted $287 parts and 1.5 hours labor or around $350 total for a
duplicate GMCMH core.

A better core with about 40% more capacity is what ran the price up.

Since I hope to replace the engine driven fan with electric fans, I decided
to install the higher price core.

Don
Shenandoah Valley of Virginia

> This all sounds too high to me. I had my GMC radiator recored last
>summer for $330 and I too have a Ford Pick up with a 460 with a brand new 4
row
>radiator that I got for free out of a Cal-Trans (State Road Worker) Truck.
>
> Phil Swanson
 
I have to agree that the price appears to be high. I had my GMC recored
with the Harrison heavy duty 4 row core for $300 in Aug of this year.
J.R. Wright
77 Elaganza II

>

>

> >
> > > night, my new core is being custom built near Cincinnati. It has all the
> > > above options and total outlay will be around $580.
> > >
> > I've paid more than that for a radiator in my Ford pickup with a 460 CID.
> > Laneir
>
> This all sounds too high to me. I had my GMC radiator recored last
> summer for $330 and I too have a Ford Pick up with a 460 with a brand new 4 row
> radiator that I got for free out of a Cal-Trans (State Road Worker) Truck.
>
> Phil Swanson