Quiet Exhaust Question?

> I have a single muffler in the rear, using a Flowmaster 70 series. With my Cad 500, I had quite a obnoxious rap under hard throttle. I added a
> resonator where the pipe makes a 90* turn to go to the frame rail. See this link for what I used. Took the rap out completely. JWID
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/rear-mounted-flowmaster/p34140-img-2886.html

BTW, this is where I put the resonator. Pic is BEFORE I put resonator in.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/rear-mounted-flowmaster/p6730.html
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Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
 
Mine is quiet with 2 mufflers up front and a long pipe to the right rear corner. Pipe is 2.5 inch diameter. If I ever woke anybody up in a campground
they must have been sleeping in the road. Maybe the insides of one or both of your mufflers has corroded away and is not cancelling the sound wave.
Headers up front are definitely louder than cast iron manifolds and I also have those courtesy of the P.O.. I also have the fender liners installed.
Sitting in the driver's seat I can barely hear the engine running. Engine tuning can make a big difference in the amount of sound emitted from
headers, but usually will be accompanied by loss of normal power output and poor fuel economy. If it runs well and smooth I would check/replace the
mufflers first,especially since I have the equipment to tackle that job. A resonator is just another muffler and will quiet it more (and eliminate
exhaust "crack") but also may cost just as much to procure and get installed as replacing the mufflers. Depends on where and how you shop.
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Terry Kelpien

ASE Master Technician

73 Glacier 260

Smithfield, Va.
 
I fixed the rap by running the exhaust straight out the back rather than pointed out the pass side. I barely hear it at all now 🙂
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Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Quiet Exhaust Question?

Mine is quiet with 2 mufflers up front and a long pipe to the right rear corner. Pipe is 2.5 inch diameter. If I ever woke anybody up in a campground
they must have been sleeping in the road. Maybe the insides of one or both of your mufflers has corroded away and is not cancelling the sound wave.
Headers up front are definitely louder than cast iron manifolds and I also have those courtesy of the P.O.. I also have the fender liners installed.
Sitting in the driver's seat I can barely hear the engine running. Engine tuning can make a big difference in the amount of sound emitted from
headers, but usually will be accompanied by loss of normal power output and poor fuel economy. If it runs well and smooth I would check/replace the
mufflers first,especially since I have the equipment to tackle that job. A resonator is just another muffler and will quiet it more (and eliminate
exhaust "crack") but also may cost just as much to procure and get installed as replacing the mufflers. Depends on where and how you shop.
--
Terry Kelpien

ASE Master Technician

73 Glacier 260

Smithfield, Va.
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GM experimented with no mufflers, by denting the exhaust pipe as well as
the tailpipes. It was good when the cars were new, but the aftermarket
exhaust providers raised "HOLY NED" with them because they had to provide
similar exhaust systems. What usually happened was that the OEM stuff got
replaced from manifold flanges to end of tailpipe with conventional
systems. Customers were none to happy about the bills for that. GM changed
back in a couple of years. Then came "catastrophic convertes" resonators,
etc.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

> I fixed the rap by running the exhaust straight out the back rather than
> pointed out the pass side. I barely hear it at all now 🙂
> ________________________________
> From: Terry via Gmclist
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 4:51 PM
> To: gmclist
> Cc: Terry
> Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Quiet Exhaust Question?
>
> Mine is quiet with 2 mufflers up front and a long pipe to the right rear
> corner. Pipe is 2.5 inch diameter. If I ever woke anybody up in a campground
> they must have been sleeping in the road. Maybe the insides of one or both
> of your mufflers has corroded away and is not cancelling the sound wave.
> Headers up front are definitely louder than cast iron manifolds and I also
> have those courtesy of the P.O.. I also have the fender liners installed.
> Sitting in the driver's seat I can barely hear the engine running. Engine
> tuning can make a big difference in the amount of sound emitted from
> headers, but usually will be accompanied by loss of normal power output
> and poor fuel economy. If it runs well and smooth I would check/replace the
> mufflers first,especially since I have the equipment to tackle that job. A
> resonator is just another muffler and will quiet it more (and eliminate
> exhaust "crack") but also may cost just as much to procure and get
> installed as replacing the mufflers. Depends on where and how you shop.
> --
> Terry Kelpien
>
> ASE Master Technician
>
> 73 Glacier 260
>
> Smithfield, Va.
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There is a reason why on a RV we prefer to exit to the side and down.
When towing a car, it is preferable not to have the Hot air hitting
directly onto them. Also less chance of bending the pipe tip. If you use a
DB meter, the noise outside is the same if the pipe exits to the rear or
side. Just sound different inside.

> GM experimented with no mufflers, by denting the exhaust pipe as well as
> the tailpipes. It was good when the cars were new, but the aftermarket
> exhaust providers raised "HOLY NED" with them because they had to provide
> similar exhaust systems. What usually happened was that the OEM stuff got
> replaced from manifold flanges to end of tailpipe with conventional
> systems. Customers were none to happy about the bills for that. GM changed
> back in a couple of years. Then came "catastrophic convertes" resonators,
> etc.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>

>
> > I fixed the rap by running the exhaust straight out the back rather than
> > pointed out the pass side. I barely hear it at all now 🙂
> > ________________________________
> > From: Terry via Gmclist
> > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 4:51 PM
> > To: gmclist
> > Cc: Terry
> > Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Quiet Exhaust Question?
> >
> > Mine is quiet with 2 mufflers up front and a long pipe to the right rear
> > corner. Pipe is 2.5 inch diameter. If I ever woke anybody up in a
> campground
> > they must have been sleeping in the road. Maybe the insides of one or
> both
> > of your mufflers has corroded away and is not cancelling the sound wave.
> > Headers up front are definitely louder than cast iron manifolds and I
> also
> > have those courtesy of the P.O.. I also have the fender liners installed.
> > Sitting in the driver's seat I can barely hear the engine running. Engine
> > tuning can make a big difference in the amount of sound emitted from
> > headers, but usually will be accompanied by loss of normal power output
> > and poor fuel economy. If it runs well and smooth I would check/replace
> the
> > mufflers first,especially since I have the equipment to tackle that job.
> A
> > resonator is just another muffler and will quiet it more (and eliminate
> > exhaust "crack") but also may cost just as much to procure and get
> > installed as replacing the mufflers. Depends on where and how you shop.
> > --
> > Terry Kelpien
> >
> > ASE Master Technician
> >
> > 73 Glacier 260
> >
> > Smithfield, Va.
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Jim’s comment reminds me of a lesson learned while dune riding a dirt bike
with the fiberglass pole and flag required for visibility. If the
flag(which mounts via the rear axle) is installed on the muffler side the
hot gasses from the muffler quickly make short work of the fiberglass pole
despite the fact that the pole is several inches to more than a foot away
from the exhaust tip while underway.

Sully
Bellevue wa

> There is a reason why on a RV we prefer to exit to the side and down.
> When towing a car, it is preferable not to have the Hot air hitting
> directly onto them. Also less chance of bending the pipe tip. If you use a
> DB meter, the noise outside is the same if the pipe exits to the rear or
> side. Just sound different inside.
>
>

>
> > GM experimented with no mufflers, by denting the exhaust pipe as well as
> > the tailpipes. It was good when the cars were new, but the aftermarket
> > exhaust providers raised "HOLY NED" with them because they had to provide
> > similar exhaust systems. What usually happened was that the OEM stuff got
> > replaced from manifold flanges to end of tailpipe with conventional
> > systems. Customers were none to happy about the bills for that. GM
> changed
> > back in a couple of years. Then came "catastrophic convertes" resonators,
> > etc.
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, Oregon
> >

> >
> > > I fixed the rap by running the exhaust straight out the back rather
> than
> > > pointed out the pass side. I barely hear it at all now 🙂
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Terry via Gmclist
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 4:51 PM
> > > To: gmclist
> > > Cc: Terry
> > > Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Quiet Exhaust Question?
> > >
> > > Mine is quiet with 2 mufflers up front and a long pipe to the right
> rear
> > > corner. Pipe is 2.5 inch diameter. If I ever woke anybody up in a
> > campground
> > > they must have been sleeping in the road. Maybe the insides of one or
> > both
> > > of your mufflers has corroded away and is not cancelling the sound
> wave.
> > > Headers up front are definitely louder than cast iron manifolds and I
> > also
> > > have those courtesy of the P.O.. I also have the fender liners
> installed.
> > > Sitting in the driver's seat I can barely hear the engine running.
> Engine
> > > tuning can make a big difference in the amount of sound emitted from
> > > headers, but usually will be accompanied by loss of normal power output
> > > and poor fuel economy. If it runs well and smooth I would check/replace
> > the
> > > mufflers first,especially since I have the equipment to tackle that
> job.
> > A
> > > resonator is just another muffler and will quiet it more (and eliminate
> > > exhaust "crack") but also may cost just as much to procure and get
> > > installed as replacing the mufflers. Depends on where and how you shop.
> > > --
> > > Terry Kelpien
> > >
> > > ASE Master Technician
> > >
> > > 73 Glacier 260
> > >
> > > Smithfield, Va.
> > > _______________________________________________
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>
> --
> Jim Kanomata ASE
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
> 1-800-752-7502
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On our Air Filter side of the business, we spent lot of time in Clean rooms
verifying noise using the DB meter and soon realized there were considerable
factors we had to explain.
Naturally we use data from a location that had the lowest DB.

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From: Todd Sullivan
Date: Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 8:53 AM
Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Quiet Exhaust Question?
To:

Jim’s comment reminds me of a lesson learned while dune riding a dirt bike
with the fiberglass pole and flag required for visibility. If the
flag(which mounts via the rear axle) is installed on the muffler side the
hot gasses from the muffler quickly make short work of the fiberglass pole
despite the fact that the pole is several inches to more than a foot away
from the exhaust tip while underway.

Sully
Bellevue wa

> There is a reason why on a RV we prefer to exit to the side and down.
> When towing a car, it is preferable not to have the Hot air hitting
> directly onto them. Also less chance of bending the pipe tip. If you use a
> DB meter, the noise outside is the same if the pipe exits to the rear or
> side. Just sound different inside.
>
>

>
> > GM experimented with no mufflers, by denting the exhaust pipe as well as
> > the tailpipes. It was good when the cars were new, but the aftermarket
> > exhaust providers raised "HOLY NED" with them because they had to
provide
> > similar exhaust systems. What usually happened was that the OEM stuff
got
> > replaced from manifold flanges to end of tailpipe with conventional
> > systems. Customers were none to happy about the bills for that. GM
> changed
> > back in a couple of years. Then came "catastrophic convertes"
resonators,
> > etc.
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, Oregon
> >

> >
> > > I fixed the rap by running the exhaust straight out the back rather
> than
> > > pointed out the pass side. I barely hear it at all now 🙂
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Terry via Gmclist
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 4:51 PM
> > > To: gmclist
> > > Cc: Terry
> > > Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Quiet Exhaust Question?
> > >
> > > Mine is quiet with 2 mufflers up front and a long pipe to the right
> rear
> > > corner. Pipe is 2.5 inch diameter. If I ever woke anybody up in a
> > campground
> > > they must have been sleeping in the road. Maybe the insides of one or
> > both
> > > of your mufflers has corroded away and is not cancelling the sound
> wave.
> > > Headers up front are definitely louder than cast iron manifolds and I
> > also
> > > have those courtesy of the P.O.. I also have the fender liners
> installed.
> > > Sitting in the driver's seat I can barely hear the engine running.
> Engine
> > > tuning can make a big difference in the amount of sound emitted from
> > > headers, but usually will be accompanied by loss of normal power
output
> > > and poor fuel economy. If it runs well and smooth I would
check/replace
> > the
> > > mufflers first,especially since I have the equipment to tackle that
> job.
> > A
> > > resonator is just another muffler and will quiet it more (and
eliminate
> > > exhaust "crack") but also may cost just as much to procure and get
> > > installed as replacing the mufflers. Depends on where and how you
shop.
> > > --
> > > Terry Kelpien
> > >
> > > ASE Master Technician
> > >
> > > 73 Glacier 260
> > >
> > > Smithfield, Va.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > GMCnet mailing list
> > > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > GMCnet mailing list
> > > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> > >
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>
>
> --
> Jim Kanomata ASE
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
> 1-800-752-7502
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1-800-752-7502
 
I'll remember that if I ever start towing anything!

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From: Jim Kanomata
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 10:23 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Quiet Exhaust Question?

There is a reason why on a RV we prefer to exit to the side and down.
When towing a car, it is preferable not to have the Hot air hitting
directly onto them. Also less chance of bending the pipe tip. If you use a
DB meter, the noise outside is the same if the pipe exits to the rear or
side. Just sound different inside.