Question-Onan Ignitions?

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al chernoff

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I have a question for the net? I am confused as to what to do. I
had a number of netters ask me to get them the onan ignition kits. I
did so and mailed all of them. Unfortunately, one of them did not
arrive, or the person cannot find it. In either case, that gentleman
says to me to give him the part or his money. I good concience I did
mail out all of the ignitions, and all (but one) received them.
What should I do??? I accept your global decisions.
al
 
>I have a question for the net? I am confused as to what to do. I
>had a number of netters ask me to get them the onan ignition kits.
>I did so and mailed all of them. Unfortunately, one of them did not
>arrive, or the person cannot find it. In either case, that
>gentleman says to me to give him the part or his money. I good
>concience I did mail out all of the ignitions, and all (but one)
>received them.
>What should I do??? I accept your global decisions.
>al

Al -- if you should ever do something like this in the future you
should either ship UPS which automatically has $100 insurance or else
tell the post office to include insurance and then charge the
receiving party the insurance. If I ever buy something over about
$10 for someone I always insure it so that I don't have to eat the
cost myself. I am doing this for a couple of electric fuel pumps
that I am buying in Santa Fe and shipping to Idaho for someone. Of
course hindsite is easy for someone else after the fact.

Either way you'll have someone gets hurt and even maybe mad. Either
the party that doesn't get the part or else you if you are out the
money.

It'd probably be a good policy as we ship each other things to have
an understanding that there will always be an insurance charge unless
the receiving party indicates in advance that they will assume the
risk without insurance.

Did you by chance pay with a Gold or Platium Visa, Master Charge or
AX card? If so, you might be insured on that purchase and subsequent
shipment.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM
 
Al,
I'm afraid Emory and Scott gave you the right answer, however aggravating
that may be. I can't think of a situation where the seller is not
responsible for the merchandise until delivery. That means the seller
should charge extra to cover insurance. I hope that doesn't inhibit your
helpfulness too much. Just cover yourself and make a little profit next
time.
Bob McLaughlin

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-gmcmotorhome
[mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of mr.c
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 3:37 PM
To: gmcmotorhome
Subject: Re: GMC: Question-Onan Ignitions?

I have a question for the net? I am confused as to what to do. I
had a number of netters ask me to get them the onan ignition kits. I
did so and mailed all of them. Unfortunately, one of them did not
arrive, or the person cannot find it. In either case, that gentleman
says to me to give him the part or his money. I good concience I did
mail out all of the ignitions, and all (but one) received them.
What should I do??? I accept your global decisions.
al
 
Mr.C:
This is a tough one. If you had been doing this to make money then the
answer would be automatic. Refund the money. However, you were doing
this as a service to the GMC community and not to be making money. I
assume you did this at your cost, and didn't factor in the cost of your
time.

I got my two ignitions. I guess if you said you shipped them and I
didn't get them, I would be out the money. I don't see how you should
be held liable for the Post Office's screw up. Then again, maybe it will
finally show up sooner or later.

That's why I go with UPS. I know when the item was delivered and if not
I have some sort of insurance. Yes I know it takes a long time to
recover if something is lost, but sooner or later you get paid.

You know, I would be willing to chip in to help you pay for the missing
part. There is really no way that you should have to pay for this out of
your own pocket. I sure hate to have a fellow GMC owner hung out to dry
because of something getting lost in the mail!
Richard Waters
1976 PB, Troy, MI

> I have a question for the net? I am confused as to what to do. I
> had a number of netters ask me to get them the onan ignition kits. I
> did so and mailed all of them. Unfortunately, one of them did not
> arrive, or the person cannot find it. In either case, that gentleman
> says to me to give him the part or his money. I good concience I did
> mail out all of the ignitions, and all (but one) received them.
> What should I do??? I accept your global decisions.
> al
 
>I have a question for the net? I am confused as to what to do. I had a
>number of netters ask me to get them the onan ignition kits. I did so and
>mailed all of them. Unfortunately, one of them did not arrive, or the
>person cannot find it. In either case, that gentleman says to me to give
>him the part or his money. I good concience I did mail out all of the
>ignitions, and all (but one) received them.
>What should I do??? I accept your global decisions.
>al

Hi Al,

Personally, I hate to make these types of calls but I have an alternative
suggestion. I would hate to see someone who has "sacrificed" for our
benefit to be hit with this unexpected expense causing a loss on the
operation. As I recall, there were about 15 ignition sets ordered, most
with a filter added - make that 14 with the lost one. According to my
math, if the remaining 14 of us who benefited from the group buy each anted
up $9.00, we could cover the cost of the lost ignition system (and one
filter) and no single individual would have to eat the entire loss. This
would amount to a minimal "profit" of about 7% - hardly exorbitant :^).

How 'bout it guys? My check's in the mail.

Cheers,
Marion Hope

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George M.(Marion) Hope, Ph.D.
1930 SW 19th Way gmhope
Gainesville, FL 32608 gmhope
(352) 371-2795 (Home) (352) 846-2111 (Office)
 
This is a good example of why I sent the O2 sensors and
then recieved payment. However there is a big difference in
the cash outlay, the parts you were handling are more
expensive. I recieved my electronic ignition and was
actually shocked at what a difference it makes, works
great. Insurance would have been a good idea, if the part
does not show up in another week or so I will chip in $9.00
as suggested. I would suggest that both parties go to their
local post office with a description of the item, you may
find it that way.

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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:40:10 -0400
From: "G.M. Hope"
Subject: Re: GMC: Question-Onan Ignitions?

>I have a question for the net? I am confused as to what
>to do. I had a number of netters ask me to get them the
>onan ignition kits. I did so and mailed all of them.
>Unfortunately, one of them did not arrive, or the
>person cannot find it. In either case, that gentleman
>says to me to give him the part or his money. I good
>concience I did mail out all of the ignitions, and all
>(but one) received them. What should I do??? I accept
your >global decisions.
>al

Hi Al,

Personally, I hate to make these types of calls but I have
an alternative suggestion. I would hate to see someone who
has "sacrificed" for our benefit to be hit with this
unexpected expense causing a loss on the operation. As I
recall, there were about 15 ignition sets ordered, most
with a filter added - make that 14 with the lost one.
According to my math, if the remaining 14 of us who
benefited from the group buy each anted up $9.00, we could
cover the cost of the lost ignition system (and one
filter) and no single individual would have to eat the
entire loss. This would amount to a minimal "profit" of
about 7% - hardly exorbitant
:^).

How 'bout it guys? My check's in the mail.

Cheers,
Marion Hope

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Alan Bredbury
Clinton, Ct.
1974 GMC 26' Classic Motorhome
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Subject: Re: GMC: Question-Onan Ignitions?

>I have a question for the net? I am confused as to what to do. I
>had a number of netters ask me to get them the onan ignition kits.
>I did so and mailed all of them. Unfortunately, one of them did not
>arrive, or the person cannot find it. In either case, that
>gentleman says to me to give him the part or his money. I good
>conscience I did mail out all of the ignitions, and all (but one)
>received them.
>What should I do??? I accept your global decisions.
>al
I find it interesting that this subject came up. A while back I needed the
rubber molding for my windows and The COOP was quick to send them with a
note to send a check when possible. Naturally by return mail I sent the
check. Then I changed to headers and ended up with two extra manifolds. I
offered them on the net and was contacted by a member and shipped the
manifolds with the agreement that he would pay for costs. I have never heard
from this person. Which one of these two is indicative of our little
group?? I like to think that Jim is the one, but I have extra brake parts
left over from the change to disc brakes and I have not offered them to any
one because I don't want to go to all that trouble and not even get a thank
you. Al, I have not been following this thread and I don"t know how much
the ign kit cost but if it would help to hold onto the long distance
friendships we have created here I would gladly contribute a buck or two so
that you guys can still be friends................Terry
Terry & Diane Skinner
Webfooted in Washington
 
I have to think that most people fall into the catagory of being honest and
trusting such as the Coop and OTHERS here but there are always a few in any
group or area who take advantage of someone who is trusting. The trouble is
with those few who take advantage of the honest or trusting will ruin it
later for the GOOD GUYS. Some never learned their lessons as children to say
THANK YOU and also to pay their debt.
Marlene

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Terry & Diane Skinner
To: GMC Mail List
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:50 AM
Subject: GMC: Question-Onan Ignitions?

> Subject: Re: GMC: Question-Onan Ignitions?
>
> >I have a question for the net? I am confused as to what to do. I
> >had a number of netters ask me to get them the onan ignition kits.
> >I did so and mailed all of them. Unfortunately, one of them did not
> >arrive, or the person cannot find it. In either case, that

> I find it interesting that this subject came up. A while back I needed the
> rubber molding for my windows and The COOP was quick to send them with a
> note to send a check when possible. Naturally by return mail I sent the
> check. Then I changed to headers and ended up with two extra manifolds. I
> offered them on the net and was contacted by a member and shipped the
> manifolds with the agreement that he would pay for costs. I have never
heard
> from this person. Which one of these two is indicative of our little
> group?? I like to think that Jim is the one, but I have extra brake parts
> left over from the change to disc brakes and I have not offered them to
any
> one because I don't want to go to all that trouble and not even get a
thank
> you. Al, I have not been following this thread and I don"t know how much
> the ign kit cost but if it would help to hold onto the long distance
> friendships we have created here I would gladly contribute a buck or two
so
> that you guys can still be friends................Terry
> Terry & Diane Skinner
> Webfooted in Washington
>
>
>
 
I thought of that angle as soon as I sent in my post on the subject. IIRC title
for the stuff passes to the buyer when the item is shipped. It's the buyer's
problem normally to sort this out. The buyer (myself included) should have
insisted on insurance.

However, I am in favor of nobody getting screwed on this deal. That includes the
buyer as well as the seller. Since I got what I ordered at I hope was a
reduced price, I don't mind too much if I have to shell out another $9 or
whatever to make everyone whole. I should still be slightly ahead, and no one
will be way behind.
Richard Waters

> Actually, Bob, there are circumstances where the seller is out of the loop.
> It's called FOB. Also if Al was acting as the agent for the buyer, then the
> buyer has the risk, not the agent. It all depends on the agreement between
> the buyer and seller. I am assuming (and you know what that means) that this
> was a convenience thing and Al was not acting as a money making (for profit)
> business and was doing someone a favor. Al.... only you and the buyer know
> what you agreed to or didn't agree to. I don't think any of us who wern't in
> on that can tell you what to do.IMHO. Dean Hanson
 
Dean,
Thanks for the enlightenment. Still, the best thing to do is up the price
to cover possible losses. Since that was not done, what is the most
honorable solution? That's not very clear.
Bob McLaughlin

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-gmcmotorhome
[mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Hanson9
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 2:01 PM
To: gmcmotorhome
Subject: Re: GMC: Question-Onan Ignitions?

Actually, Bob, there are circumstances where the seller is out of the loop.
It's called FOB. Also if Al was acting as the agent for the buyer, then the
buyer has the risk, not the agent. It all depends on the agreement between
the buyer and seller. I am assuming (and you know what that means) that this
was a convenience thing and Al was not acting as a money making (for profit)
business and was doing someone a favor. Al.... only you and the buyer know
what you agreed to or didn't agree to. I don't think any of us who wern't in
on that can tell you what to do.IMHO. Dean Hanson
 
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