port fuel inj.

travism

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> how selfish of me to think i would be the only one interested......if this
> hasn't been done, I'd like anyone that has some idea's to come
> forward....I'm sure the majority are running 455's and could care less,
but
> this really interest me......
> jim

I don't know what the percentage is, but mine is a 403, so I'd certainly be
interested in hearing about it. Besides, I don't know why the same EFI
couldn't be made to work on a 455 with a bit of manifold work. Use a setup
from a 77-79 425 CID Cadillac or a 76 500 CID Cadillac.

Olds 350 with Bosch F.I. was used on 75-79 Seville and 79 Eldo. It shouldn't
be too hard finding such a setup. I had a couple of them in the 70's and
80's; the same basic system was used on Cadillac 500 CID in 76 as an option
(had one of those---ran great) and on the 425 CID that replaced it in 77,
also optional (most were carbed.)

Someone tell me why we want to use a different ECM with these when the
original worked pretty darn good. Granted, they were analog instead of
digital; so what? It monitored manifold absolute pressure, barometric
pressure, throttle position, engine speed, coolant temperature, and manifold
air temperature. It integrated all of these to determine the duty cycle of
the injectors. Quite a sophisticated system, and I thought that they worked
awfully well. My 79 Eldo would consistently get around 20 mpg on the road
without benefit of an overdrive transmission. My 76 Eldo didn't mileage
quite as well, but for a 9,000 pound car (seemed like it anyway) it did
rather well, and launched like a bottle rocket.

If I had time (not right now, unfortunately) I'd love to try one of these
Bosch systems intact on my 78 PB. Back in those days the ECM didn't do
anything else, so it should be pretty simple to install.

I still have a factory 76 Cadillac shop manual somewhere. If I can dig it
out I'll Xerox the applicable section and send it to Billy; I'll bet he'd
scan it and post it for everyone.

Travis
 
Please keep it on line.
There are many of us who are interested.

Bob Morris
Cortland NY 13045
74 Elganza SE
jayhawk

- ----- Original Message -----
From: jim white
To: gmc
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 2:56 PM
Subject: GMC: port fuel inj.

> has anyone upgraded to the port fuel inj. on a 403? if so id sure like to
> talk about it off line......
> jim white
> 78EII
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how selfish of me to think i would be the only one interested......if this
hasn't been done, I'd like anyone that has some idea's to come
forward....I'm sure the majority are running 455's and could care less, but
this really interest me......
jim
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I have heard the suggestion that the 350 Olds/Cadillac FI manifold can be
adapted to a big block (455) by using two aluminum spacers between the
manifold and heads to adjust for the difference in deck height. I was going
to explore the feasibility of this but went with Cadillac 500 instead. The
alternative is to drill holes and weld or epoxy injector bungs in the stock
cast iron or Edelbrock manifold. There were some pictures posted on the
gmcnet of someone (Rance ?) who did that and used a gutted Q-jet as a
throttle body.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: jim white
To: gmc
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 1:09 PM
Subject: GMC: port fuel inj.

> how selfish of me to think I would be the only one interested......if this
> hasn't been done, I'd like anyone that has some idea's to come
> forward....I'm sure the majority are running 455's and could care less,
but
> this really interest me......
> jim
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Click here for Free Video!!
> http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/
>
>
 
Hi Travis

Send it on when you find it. I'll be happy to oblige.

bdub

>I still have a factory 76 Cadillac shop manual somewhere. If I can dig it
>out I'll Xerox the applicable section and send it to Billy; I'll bet he'd
>scan it and post it for everyone.
 
Hiall,
The newer GM ecms ( ie. 1227730) have a lot of advantages over the first
generation Cad/bendix controllers:

1.) Knock sensing and retard

2) O2 feedback (oxygen sensor)

3) onboard diagnositics (fault codes and real time sensor data readout)

4) the ability to "learn" through the "bock learn multiplier"

5) Cheap and available, new sensors available at any Autozone etc.

6) Thoughly hacked and tunable, can be adapted to ANY engine by reprograming
the Eprom.

Russ

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Davick
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: port fuel inj.

> Travis,
>
> It's just a guess, but it seems to me that the one missing component is
the
> oxygen sensor. If the fuel injection computer could monitor the oxygen
> sensor then it would correct for altitude, lousy gas, worn plugs, and so
on.
>
> Am I on the right track here?
>
> Does it make any sense to have one computer control the fuel injection as
> well as the ignition timing? I don't know if that has any advantages or
> not.
>
> Larry Davick
> Enviously Lurking
>
>
> >From: "Travis Martin"
> >Reply-To: gmcmotorhome
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: GMC: port fuel inj.
> >Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:50:11 -0600
> >
> > > how selfish of me to think i would be the only one interested......if
> >this
> > > hasn't been done, I'd like anyone that has some idea's to come
> > > forward....I'm sure the majority are running 455's and could care
less,
> >but
> > > this really interest me......
> > > jim
> >
> >
> >I don't know what the percentage is, but mine is a 403, so I'd certainly
be
> >interested in hearing about it. Besides, I don't know why the same EFI
> >couldn't be made to work on a 455 with a bit of manifold work. Use a
setup
> >from a 77-79 425 CID Cadillac or a 76 500 CID Cadillac.
> >
> >Olds 350 with Bosch F.I. was used on 75-79 Seville and 79 Eldo. It
> >shouldn't
> >be too hard finding such a setup. I had a couple of them in the 70's and
> >80's; the same basic system was used on Cadillac 500 CID in 76 as an
option
> >(had one of those---ran great) and on the 425 CID that replaced it in 77,
> >also optional (most were carbed.)
> >
> >Someone tell me why we want to use a different ECM with these when the
> >original worked pretty darn good. Granted, they were analog instead of
> >digital; so what? It monitored manifold absolute pressure, barometric
> >pressure, throttle position, engine speed, coolant temperature, and
> >manifold
> >air temperature. It integrated all of these to determine the duty cycle
of
> >the injectors. Quite a sophisticated system, and I thought that they
worked
> >awfully well. My 79 Eldo would consistently get around 20 mpg on the road
> >without benefit of an overdrive transmission. My 76 Eldo didn't mileage
> >quite as well, but for a 9,000 pound car (seemed like it anyway) it did
> >rather well, and launched like a bottle rocket.
> >
> >If I had time (not right now, unfortunately) I'd love to try one of these
> >Bosch systems intact on my 78 PB. Back in those days the ECM didn't do
> >anything else, so it should be pretty simple to install.
> >
> >I still have a factory 76 Cadillac shop manual somewhere. If I can dig it
> >out I'll Xerox the applicable section and send it to Billy; I'll bet he'd
> >scan it and post it for everyone.
> >
> >Travis
> >
>
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That, plus the original controllers are 20+ years old, so you'll likely be
buying a new one anyway. Why not just go for a more up-to-date system?

Patrick

>
> Hiall,
> The newer GM ecms ( ie. 1227730) have a lot of advantages
> over the first generation Cad/bendix controllers: