Performance Improvements

dave lowry

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I want better performance out of my stock 1976 GMC!

Yea, I know, doesn't everyone?

Its not that ours runs bad, it actually runs ok. It starts (reluctantly
when cold), gets 8 MPG (no toad, 60 MPH), eventually makes it to the top of
11,000 ft. passes, doesn't boil over and ultimately gets us to anywhere
we've asked it to. But I know it could be better.

I've read all the comments made by the many learned experts who freely
offer their expertise to this group, and offer my thanks for their
unselfish commitment to our "cause". I like it when the experts disagree as
to the optimum way to solve a given problem because, in many cases, there
is more than one right answer. I want the freedom to choose. I may still
make a mistake, but have a far better chance for success than if I had only
my "guess" to go by. Thanks guys. Keep it up.

Back to my desire for improvement - If money were no object, we would just
have it all done; a new Mondelo motor with fuel injection, headers & 3"
pipes, a freshly overhauled tranny w/ shift kit, new torque converter and
3.55 finals (yea, I know, I've left out your personal favorite). But alas,
money is an object, and not a small one at that. We've either done or don't
need improvements to the brakes, suspension, etc., so our concern here is
performance. So, what would get us the most improvement if we only had
$1,000 - $1,500 to spend? Here's my choices:

1) Bob Lamey overhauled and recurved distributor
2) Cinnabar overhauled and calibrated carburetor
3) Caspro shift kit for the tranny
4) New exhaust system; Thorley headers, Flowmaster mufflers & 3" tail pipe

When and if we can find another grand or so, a 3.55 final drive would
likely be at the top of the 2nd list, with fuel injection being my 2nd
choice.

We can't do anything 'til July, but when we get to it, which are the most
important and what would y'all suggest we add to the list?

We'll sure appreciate your input.

Dave (advisor/navigator) & Dege (ALL else), '76 Royale, Santa Barbara, CA
 
I have been there on some of your changes, and I can say nothing has made
as much difference as the Howell TBI.....
it solved most of my new engine problems, and you can recurve your own
dist. just by reading the how-to on the web page.

The TBI will help:
starting
idling
dieseling
combustion
economy

if your state will allow it. this is the best change for the money.

gene

>I want better performance out of my stock 1976 GMC!
>
>Yea, I know, doesn't everyone?
>
>Its not that ours runs bad, it actually runs ok. It starts (reluctantly
>when cold), gets 8 MPG (no toad, 60 MPH), eventually makes it to the top of
>11,000 ft. passes, doesn't boil over and ultimately gets us to anywhere
>we've asked it to. But I know it could be better.
>
>I've read all the comments made by the many learned experts who freely
>offer their expertise to this group, and offer my thanks for their
>unselfish commitment to our "cause". I like it when the experts disagree as
>to the optimum way to solve a given problem because, in many cases, there
>is more than one right answer. I want the freedom to choose. I may still
>make a mistake, but have a far better chance for success than if I had only
>my "guess" to go by. Thanks guys. Keep it up.
>
>Back to my desire for improvement - If money were no object, we would just
>have it all done; a new Mondelo motor with fuel injection, headers & 3"
>pipes, a freshly overhauled tranny w/ shift kit, new torque converter and
>3.55 finals (yea, I know, I've left out your personal favorite). But alas,
>money is an object, and not a small one at that. We've either done or don't
>need improvements to the brakes, suspension, etc., so our concern here is
>performance. So, what would get us the most improvement if we only had
>$1,000 - $1,500 to spend? Here's my choices:
>
>1) Bob Lamey overhauled and recurved distributor
>2) Cinnabar overhauled and calibrated carburetor
>3) Caspro shift kit for the tranny
>4) New exhaust system; Thorley headers, Flowmaster mufflers & 3" tail pipe
>
>When and if we can find another grand or so, a 3.55 final drive would
>likely be at the top of the 2nd list, with fuel injection being my 2nd
>choice.
>
>We can't do anything 'til July, but when we get to it, which are the most
>important and what would y'all suggest we add to the list?
>
>We'll sure appreciate your input.
>
>Dave (advisor/navigator) & Dege (ALL else), '76 Royale, Santa Barbara, CA
>
>
>
Genef -- 77PB/ore/ca
GMC MOTORHOME INFORMATION
mr.erf
http://www.california.com/~eagle/
 
Dave<
FWIW I think the first 4 items on your list won't give you any significant
improvement over OEM equipment that is working properly. I'd check the
distributor to be sure the mechanical and vacuum advance are working
properly and add an Engine Knock Eliminator to be able to advance the timing
as far as possible. My OEM carburetor seems to start well, idle smooth,
not diesel and provides mileage about like yours. When I want performance,
I manually control the tranny so a shift kit has no appeal. I have Thorley
headers and 3" exhaust and it gives a little better performance but I got
them because of manifold exhaust leaks. You should start with your 5th
choice and then switch to the Caddy engine. Then you have a whole new set
of problems like wheel spin on start and more wear and tear on the drive
train. As they say 'just my opinion'
Bob McLaughlin

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-gmcmotorhome
[mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Dave Lowry
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 8:12 PM
To: gmcmotorhome
Subject: GMC: Performance Improvements

I want better performance out of my stock 1976 GMC!

Yea, I know, doesn't everyone?

Its not that ours runs bad, it actually runs ok. It starts (reluctantly
when cold), gets 8 MPG (no toad, 60 MPH), eventually makes it to the top of
11,000 ft. passes, doesn't boil over and ultimately gets us to anywhere
we've asked it to. But I know it could be better.

I've read all the comments made by the many learned experts who freely
offer their expertise to this group, and offer my thanks for their
unselfish commitment to our "cause". I like it when the experts disagree as
to the optimum way to solve a given problem because, in many cases, there
is more than one right answer. I want the freedom to choose. I may still
make a mistake, but have a far better chance for success than if I had only
my "guess" to go by. Thanks guys. Keep it up.

Back to my desire for improvement - If money were no object, we would just
have it all done; a new Mondelo motor with fuel injection, headers & 3"
pipes, a freshly overhauled tranny w/ shift kit, new torque converter and
3.55 finals (yea, I know, I've left out your personal favorite). But alas,
money is an object, and not a small one at that. We've either done or don't
need improvements to the brakes, suspension, etc., so our concern here is
performance. So, what would get us the most improvement if we only had
$1,000 - $1,500 to spend? Here's my choices:

1) Bob Lamey overhauled and recurved distributor
2) Cinnabar overhauled and calibrated carburetor
3) Caspro shift kit for the tranny
4) New exhaust system; Thorley headers, Flowmaster mufflers & 3" tail pipe

When and if we can find another grand or so, a 3.55 final drive would
likely be at the top of the 2nd list, with fuel injection being my 2nd
choice.

We can't do anything 'til July, but when we get to it, which are the most
important and what would y'all suggest we add to the list?

We'll sure appreciate your input.

Dave (advisor/navigator) & Dege (ALL else), '76 Royale, Santa Barbara, CA
 
>I have been there on some of your changes, and I can say nothing has made
>as much difference as the Howell TBI.....
>it solved most of my new engine problems, and you can recurve your own
>dist. just by reading the how-to on the web page.
>
>The TBI will help:
>starting
>idling
>dieseling
>combustion
>economy
>
>if your state will allow it. this is the best change for the money.
>
>gene

Well, our state won't allow it 'til 2001, but I don't think we can afford
it until then any way. I'll most likely be looking you up when the time
comes.

Thanks,

Dave (advisor/navigator) & Dege (ALL else), '76 Royale, Santa Barbara, CA
 
That may be true but most of us went to TBI because the ol quadrajet would
not rebuild any more and would not retain adjustment. Could convert to a
new carb -different carb, but the 20 year gain in technology is a pleasure
to operate.

gene

>Gene I agree with all of your statements except economy. A TBI system will
>not give any better economy than a properly set up carb.
>
>

>>
>>I have been there on some of your changes, and I can say nothing has made
>>as much difference as the Howell TBI.....
>>it solved most of my new engine problems, and you can recurve your own
>>dist. just by reading the how-to on the web page.
>>
>>The TBI will help:
>>starting
>>idling
>>dieseling
>>combustion
>>economy
>>
>>if your state will allow it. this is the best change for the money.
>>
>>gene
>>
>>

>>>I want better performance out of my stock 1976 GMC!
>>>
>>>Yea, I know, doesn't everyone?
>>>
>>>Its not that ours runs bad, it actually runs ok. It starts (reluctantly
>>>when cold), gets 8 MPG (no toad, 60 MPH), eventually makes it to the top of
>>>11,000 ft. passes, doesn't boil over and ultimately gets us to anywhere
>>>we've asked it to. But I know it could be better.
>>>
>>>I've read all the comments made by the many learned experts who freely
>>>offer their expertise to this group, and offer my thanks for their
>>>unselfish commitment to our "cause". I like it when the experts disagree as
>>>to the optimum way to solve a given problem because, in many cases, there
>>>is more than one right answer. I want the freedom to choose. I may still
>>>make a mistake, but have a far better chance for success than if I had only
>>>my "guess" to go by. Thanks guys. Keep it up.
>>>
>>>Back to my desire for improvement - If money were no object, we would just
>>>have it all done; a new Mondelo motor with fuel injection, headers & 3"
>>>pipes, a freshly overhauled tranny w/ shift kit, new torque converter and
>>>3.55 finals (yea, I know, I've left out your personal favorite). But alas,
>>>money is an object, and not a small one at that. We've either done or don't
>>>need improvements to the brakes, suspension, etc., so our concern here is
>>>performance. So, what would get us the most improvement if we only had
>>>$1,000 - $1,500 to spend? Here's my choices:
>>>
>>>1) Bob Lamey overhauled and recurved distributor
>>>2) Cinnabar overhauled and calibrated carburetor
>>>3) Caspro shift kit for the tranny
>>>4) New exhaust system; Thorley headers, Flowmaster mufflers & 3" tail pipe
>>>
>>>When and if we can find another grand or so, a 3.55 final drive would
>>>likely be at the top of the 2nd list, with fuel injection being my 2nd
>>>choice.
>>>
>>>We can't do anything 'til July, but when we get to it, which are the most
>>>important and what would y'all suggest we add to the list?
>>>
>>>We'll sure appreciate your input.
>>>
>>>Dave (advisor/navigator) & Dege (ALL else), '76 Royale, Santa Barbara, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Genef -- 77PB/ore/ca
>>GMC MOTORHOME INFORMATION
>>mr.erf
>>http://www.california.com/~eagle/
>>
>>
>
>
Genef -- 77PB/ore/ca
GMC MOTORHOME INFORMATION
mr.erf
http://www.california.com/~eagle/
 
Nope just a split timer, will welcome you to my place in Florence Or. when
you hit the road...... and come to see us in the west.

gene

>In a message dated 5/30/2000 12:26:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

>
>> >gene
>>
>> Well, our state won't allow it 'til 2001, but I don't think we can afford
>> it until then any way.
>
>AH HUM HO!
>Hi Dave! I believe Gene also lives in Ca. so he is a bad boy:).
>
>Scott
>
Genef -- 77PB/ore/ca
GMC MOTORHOME INFORMATION
mr.erf
http://www.california.com/~eagle/
 
Being an old ex racing type and rocket engineer, the easiest way to improve
performance is to reduce the extra weight and reduce you speed! What you
carry and how fast you travel is the cost of your lifestyle. It's now a
balance between what you want and what you are willing to pay for what you
get. "There is no free lunch"

How much stuff do you really need to take along and how soon do you need to
get there? Go slow and carry less ssssstuff takes less power/gas. What is
more important to you? You decide. We rent and don't tow 'cause it's cheaper
for us to rent than tow in our 23' when we need it.

You can increase torque/gear ratio to carry the weight up the hills, but in
the end, it's the weight that you are moving and the wind you are pushing
aside that consumes power. Ours is 10,000 lbs with all tanks full and us
aboard. Lets forget about how tire pressure which reduces everything except
comfort. The GMC Shape is rather uniform, except for the added boxes on top
and tow vehicles behind. I decided long ago that if the cost of gas and
maintenance was a major consideration, I could not afford a GMC when I sold
my Toyota RV [SOB]. I have been happy with our compromise. Last year we did
25,00 trouble free miles exploring the US and Canada, I can't think of a
better luxury vehicle to do that in than a GMC. Why would anybody be
concerned about the cost of gas after they have traveled in a GMC? It's a
minor cost of traveling. If you are worried about the cost of gas, sell your
GMC and stay home.

Chuck Botts, San Diego.
 
I can understand making modifications on fuel and exhaust
systems to improve power but most individuals will find it
very difficult to justify improvements on mileage
increases. Just do the math. If you use an RV to go 5,000
miles a year (I understand there are prople with GMC's that
do much more than this but for the average RV this would be
high) Improve your mileage 2 MPG, from 8 to 10 and you will
save 125 gallons of fuel in a year even at $2.00 per gallon
you are only going to save $250 per year. apply a standard
payback formula to this and you will be hard pressed to
justify improvements to the boss (Wife).


=====
Alan Bredbury
Clinton, Ct.
1974 GMC 26' Classic Motorhome
http://www.finesttool.com/index.html/special.htm

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